Serbia intends to buy six Russian MiG-29 fighter jets

[Penguin]

6 from Russia, our 4, and we are negotiating additional 8 from Belarus.

Basically aiming for a full squadron. Like Hungary's 11 Gripen Austria's 15 Typhoon and Bulgaria's 15 Mig29.

 

[Vengeful One]

Serbia stronk.

 

[flamer84]

Basically aiming for a full squadron. Like Hungary's 11 Gripen Austria's 15 Typhoon and Bulgaria's 15 Mig29.

Hungary 's 14...

 

[Penguin]

Hungary 's 14...

What, they flew one into the ground or something?
Anyway, you got the general idea, yes?

 

[flamer84]

What, they flew one into the ground or something?
Anyway, you got the general idea, yes?

I got it but I thought they were fixing them back into service.

 

[Penguin]

I got it but I thought they were fixing them back into service.

Yep. At least 1 is.

May 2015
On 19 May 2015, a two-seater JAS 39 D number 42 from the Hungarian Air Force overran the runway at Čáslav Air Base, Czech Republic. Both crewmen (Bg.Gen Ugrik and Maj. Grof) ejected safely with no injuries. The aircraft was heavily damaged with the nose section separated.[10]
June 2015
On 10 June 2015, a single-seater JAS 39C number 30 from the Hungarian Air Force performed a belly landing at Kecskemét Air Base, Hungary. The pilot, Major Sándor Kádár, ejected successfully, but suffered spinal injuries. The aircraft is under repair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accid...volving_the_JAS_39_Gripen#Hungarian_Air_Force

 

[Hindustani78]

15:10 14.06.2017(updated 16:49 14.06.2017)
https://sputniknews.com/military/201706141054621294-serbia-russia-mig-delivery/

Serbia's deal with Russia for the procurement of six MiG fighter jets and the modernization of an additional four from the existing Serbian fleet is a great deal which enables Belgrade to update its air force with quality planes at a lower price than neighbors in the region, Nenad Miloradovic of the Serbian defense ministry told Sputnik Srbija.

In March, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Serbia's then-Prime Minister, President Alexander Vucic, signed a deal for the sale of six MiG-29 fighter jets as well as the modernization of another four planes.

At a meeting on the sidelines of the Astana Expo exhibition last week, Putin told Vucic that the new aircraft will be delivered by mid-July, a source told the Serbian newspaper Vecernje Novosti.

Nenad Miloradovic, Serbia's Assistant Minister of Defense, told Sputnik Srbija that the sale is a great deal for Belgrade, enabling it to modernize its fleet at a much lower cost than neighbors in the region.

"We are getting six MiG's from Russia for free, while the financial package includes modernization and repairs for them and four which the Serbian air force already has, which will prolong their service to a period of 30 years. We are buying extra equipment for maintenance over the next 14 years, plus we are getting modernization that will be carried out in three phases. For what we are paying, we are getting real quality, in comparison to what our neighbors have, above all regarding Western planes," Miloradovic said.

The performance of the Strizhi aerobatic team in MiG-29 jets during a show at the ARMY 2015 International Military-Technical Forum held outside Moscow

Belgrade received exceptional terms for the sale, which includes repairs and upgrades to the planes. The cost will amount to 185 million euros ($207 million), including the cost of fuel storage facilities, hangers to store ten planes and the complete maintenance and modernization of the planes' missiles.

In addition, Serbia will also receive 30 T-72 tanks and BDRM-2 amphibious armored patrol vehicles.

"Apart from the planes, which will be modernized to the level of 4+ generation fighter jets, Serbia will receive for free the most advanced R-77 medium-range missiles with radar guidance as well as aerial bombs. Taking all this into account, the modernization of our air force is going to cost us three to five times less than other countries in the region."

Retired air force general Dragan Katanic told Sputnik that Serbia has used Russian fighter jets since 1967-1968, when the then Yugoslav air force modernized its fleet by incorporating MiG-21 aircraft. The Yugoslav armed forces used three generations of the MiG-21 before modernizing again in 1978 with 16 MiG-29 aircraft.

"During these 50 years, we got all our infrastructure and equipment from Russia (then the USSR). That's why the decision to continue using the MiG's is absolutely justified. After all, this way it takes us a lot less time and resources to re-equip pilots and technology than if we had turned to Western models. In addition, if we're talking about military specifications, the Russian planes are just as good as the Western ones," Katanic said.

The twin-engine MiG-29 fighter jet has become the main fighter used by the Russian air force since it was first introduced in 1983, and it is in use in 25 countries worldwide. Production of the 4+ generation multi-role MiG-29SMT fighter began in 2004, which is equipped with additional fuel tanks, upgraded engine and increased weapons carriage capacity. It is equipped with the enhanced Zhuk-ME radar, which is able to track up to ten air targets and fire missiles at four targets simultaneously.

 

[proka89]

"Apart from the planes, which will be modernized to the level of 4+ generation fighter jets, Serbia will receive for free the most advanced R-77 medium-range missiles with radar guidance as well as aerial bombs. Taking all this into account, the modernization of our air force is going to cost us three to five times less than other countries in the region."

He never said that. Only thing he said that we are getting for free are those 6 Mig 29. Everything else including modernization, overhaul, ground equipment and armaments will be paid by Serbia.

Belgrade received exceptional terms for the sale, which includes repairs and upgrades to the planes. The cost will amount to 185 million euros ($207 million), including the cost of fuel storage facilities, hangers to store ten planes and the complete maintenance and modernization of the planes' missiles.

The bolded is not included in that deal, he said that Serbia will build facilities needed for keeping those planes. What is included is overhaul and modernization of those 6 and our 4. Maintenance for all 10 fighters in the period of 14 years (maintenance per state). Modernization first on standard SD, which is the standard of those already in use by Serbian Air Force, and that is just modernization of navigation and communication equipment, and after that modernization on level Mig-29SM. Since Yugoslavia had 16 Mig 29 before 1999, we still have a decent number of spare engines which will also be overhauled in Russia. And even though we have a ground equipment needed for use and maintenance of these aircrafts, additional ground equipment will be bought. Also this deal includes new armaments for those aircrafts bouth air to air and air to ground missiles (R-77 was specifically mentioned).

Yugoslav air force modernized its fleet by incorporating MiG-21 aircraft. The Yugoslav armed forces used three generations of the MiG-21 before modernizing again in 1978 with 16 MiG-29 aircraft.

1978??? Seriously the guy who wrote this is a moron. I watched the whole interview and he butchered and misinterpreted most of it.

 

[Hindustani78]

He never said that. Only thing he said that we are getting for free are those 6 Mig 29. Everything else including modernization, overhaul, ground equipment and armaments will be paid by Serbia.

And What Serbia is going to pay ? Here its more about influence and Military to Military contacts.

The bolded is not included in that deal, he said that Serbia will build facilities needed for keeping those planes. What is included is overhaul and modernization of those 6 and our 4. Maintenance for all 10 fighters in the period of 14 years (maintenance per state). Modernization first on standard SD, which is the standard of those already in use by Serbian Air Force, and that is just modernization of navigation and communication equipment, and after that modernization on level Mig-29SM. Since Yugoslavia had 16 Mig 29 before 1999, we still have a decent number of spare engines which will also be overhauled in Russia. And even though we have a ground equipment needed for use and maintenance of these aircrafts, additional ground equipment will be bought. Also this deal includes new armaments for those aircrafts bouth air to air and air to ground missiles (R-77 was specifically mentioned).

May be upgraded version of R77 is being transfered by the Russians to Serbia this time. Seems Serbia's pilots are already being trained in Russian Federation .

1978??? Seriously the guy who wrote this is a moron. I watched the whole interview and he butchered and misinterpreted most of it.

Mind your language.


MiG-21M, MiG-21MF and MiG-21PFM from the 1970s and MiG-21Bis from the early 1980s.

Here its more about the MIG's variants during that period of Yugoslav air force.

21st June 1978
MiG-21bis
serial 17104
Captain Nebojsa Cankovic ejected low altitude - did not survive

29th May 1979
MiG-21F-13
Captain Mato Vulic ejected

10th September 1979
MiG-21U two-seat training verion of the Mig-21
Lieutenant Zvonmir Bartolic ejected low altitude - did not survive
Major Franc Semrl ejected low altitude - did not survive

9th January 1980
MiG-21PFM
Lieutenant Milorad Ilic ejected

 

[proka89]

And What Serbia is going to pay ? Here its more about influence and Military to Military contacts.

It's already said here more than once that Serbia is paying 185 million euros for the whole deal. I already wrote here what is included in that deal in the previous post.

May be upgraded version of R77 is being transfered by the Russians to Serbia this time. Seems Serbia's pilots are already being trained in Russian Federation .

I don't have any information about that.

Mind your language.

I see nothing wrong with the language i used. I can even post for you the whole interview, but it's on Serbian. The one that wrote this, posted bunch of incorrect informations, that were not mentioned in that interview.

Yugoslavia decided to buy Mig 29 in 1986. First Yugoslavian pilot to fly Mig 29 in 1985 was Branko Bilbija. First two Mig-29UB were delivered on 24. September 1987 (numbers 18301 and 18302). Aditional 10 Mig-29B were delivered in December 1987 (numbers 18101-110). And additional four Mig-29B were delivered in april 1988 (numbers 18111-114).

This is exclusive video (published not long ago) of the first two Mig-29UB landing on Batajnica in 1987:

 

[Hindustani78]

It's already said here more than once that Serbia is paying 185 million euros for the whole deal. I already wrote here what is included in that deal in the previous post.

The volume of Russian-Serbian trade in January-September 2016 reached $ 1.7 billion, while Serbian exports to Russia have already increased this year by 9.1 percent compared to 2015, when the instability of the Russian currency had a negative impact on bilateral trade.

I don't have any information about that.

I think Serbia is already having R77 Missiles

2016
four MiG-29M2 and associated R77 missiles

Serbia currently has four older MiG-29s – three single-seaters and one UB two-seater – in its inventory, three of which are operational at any given time.

I see nothing wrong with the language i used. I can even post for you the whole interview, but it's on Serbian. The one that wrote this, posted bunch of incorrect informations, that were not mentioned in that interview.

You are saying this to Sputnik News . And here the Sputnik editor is talking about upgration of MiG 21 , MiG 25 to MiG 29

new Soviet aircraft from satellite photos in November 1977, about the time of the jet’s first flight.the 1st flight of the prototype came in 1977 .


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Yugoslavia decided to buy Mig 29 in 1986. First Yugoslavian pilot to fly Mig 29 in 1985 was Branko Bilbija. First two Mig-29UB were delivered on 24. September 1987 (numbers 18301 and 18302). Aditional 10 Mig-29B were delivered in December 1987 (numbers 18101-110). And additional four Mig-29B were delivered in april 1988 (numbers 18111-114).

1992-2006: Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, then State Union of Serbia and Montenegro
since June 2006: Republic of Serbia


1987/1988 (SFRY): 14 MiG-29* (9-12B) and 2 MiG-29UB* (9-51) from Soviet Union
In total: 16 MiGs in 1987 and 1988
* Local name is L-18 and NL-18
Losses:
10 MiG-29 and 1 MiG-29UB in 1999
1 MiG-29 in 2009

 

[proka89]

I think Serbia is already having R77 Missiles

2016
four MiG-29M2 and associated R77 missiles

Serbia currently has four older MiG-29s – three single-seaters and one UB two-seater – in its inventory, three of which are operational at any given time.

No Serbia does not have R-77. We have R-60, R-73 and R-27. Last air to air rockets bought from Russia for Serbian Air Force were R-27R in 2009 or 2010

 

[Hindustani78]

https://sputniknews.com/military/201706141054637332-russian-su35s-vs-f22/
Independent Russian military analyst Vladimir Tuchkov outlines why Russia's Su-35S 4++ generation fighter aircraft may soon receive the capability to defeat the US's fifth-generation F-22 Raptor stealth tactical fighter in air-to-air combat.
Earlier this month, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov confirmed that the military would be modernizing its fleet of Su-35 fighter jets.

The decision to improve the planes was made on the basis of a thorough analysis of their experience in the Syrian conflict, where several problems were brought to light. Among them was an issue with stones from the runway being sucked into the planes' air intake, as well as technical glitches affecting their lights and cockpit displays.

But these shortcomings have already been fixed. With that in mind, independent military analyst and Svobodnaya Pressa contributor Vladimir Tuchkov suggested that it was only logical to ask what kinds of other upgrades the deputy defense minister had in mind.

"Was the deputy defense minister referring…to improvements limited to optimized air intakes, lights and displays? Or is there something else that needs improvement?" Tuchkov asked. "If it's the latter, the list of issues identified during operations naturally remains a military secret, because the opponent, knowing the planes vulnerable areas, will strike at exactly these points. So this subject is closed to us."

Still, the analyst noted that it was possible to speculate, based on a consideration not only of the Su-35's strong points, but its shortcomings as well.

"The strongest quality of the Su-35S is undoubtedly its supermaneuverability," Tuchkov wrote. "The plane is capable of performing aerobatic maneuvers which no other plane can. It is capable of the unique 'blinchik' ('pancake') maneuver, performing a 360 turn in the horizontal plane without a loss of speed and altitude. When the Su-35 demonstrated its flight capabilities at the Paris Air Show, it was dubbed the 'Russian UFO'."

Tuchkov explained that the plane's supermaneuverability has two components – its thrust-vectoring engines and its highly aerodynamic airframe, inherited from the Su-27 and improved by designers over the course of many years. "Such continuity is something that's not observed by American designers, and as a result the US does not enjoy the continuous improvement of the flight characteristics of its fighter designs on an accruing basis," the analyst noted.

Tuchkov admitted that naturally, if the Su-35S were to come into contact with a low-visibility, 5th-generation aircraft, it would face problems. "The geometry of the Su-35S is such that it cannot be changed to somehow reduce its visibility to enemy radar. There isn't any news in the field of new synthetic materials for this purpose. Russia's Scientific Research Institute of Steel has concentrated their efforts in the field of obtaining particularly strong composite armor, which has demonstrated excellent performance. But nothing else has been heard about new materials lately."

"In addition to its geometry, another factor dramatically increasing the plane's excess visibility is provided by its onboard electronics, and first and foremost by the Irbis radar," the expert wrote.

"The radar system is excellent, and can detect targets with an effective radar cross-section of one square meter at distances of up to 300 km. The AN/APG-77 radar system installed aboard the F-22 Raptor, which is undoubtedly the best fighter in the US arsenal at the moment, can 'see' the same target at a distance of 225 km. However, the American system, which has an active phased antenna array, emits significantly less signature into the surrounding atmosphere."

Reducing the radar signature emitted by the Irbis radar is difficult, Tuchkov explained, given the nature of the passive phased array antenna technology it uses.

The Su-35S's fire control system is also limited compared to its 5th generation F-22 counterpart, the observer wrote. While the F-22 is capable of simultaneously monitoring 100 targets, and firing at twenty of them, the Su-30 can monitor thirty and fire on eight.

"However, there is some probability that this 'problem' can be solved via the bureaucratic method, which has become a possibility in connection with the possible merger between Sukhoi and MiG Corporation," Tuchkov explained. "In this way, it will be possible for Sukhoi to borrow the Zhuk-AE radar used on the MiG-35."

Then there is the issue of bringing the capabilities of the Su-35S's missile systems in line with its radar capabilities. For example, the Su-35S's radar can detect targets with a radar cross-section of 3 square meters at 400 km. At the same time, the plane's air-to-air missiles have a firing range that's nearly four times lower.

Tuchkov recalled that "until very recently, the Su-35 was almost completely on par with the F-22, armed with the AIM-120C-7 missile, which had an effective range of 120 km. The Su-35S's R-27 missile, adopted into service in the late 1980s, has a range of 110 km. Now, the American plane has adopted a new modification – the AIM 120D, with a range of 180 km."

However, Russia also has an air-to-air missile in the pipeline which will not only match US capabilities, but considerably outpace anything US engineers have in the works. "This is the completely new R-37M, which has a range of 300 km. Now this missile fully corresponds to the capabilities of the Su-35S's radar. It is being fitted aboard the MiG-31BM interceptor. There is information to suggest that it will be part of the T-50 [5th gen] fighter's arsenal."

Ultimately, Tuchkov emphasized that if the R-37M were to be adapted for use aboard the Su-35S, this would fit entirely with the concept of prospective upgrades referred to by the deputy defense minister.

The 4.06 m long, 510 kg R-37M features a 60 kg high-explosive fragmentation warhead. Its inertial guidance system provides for radio correction, if necessary. The missile includes an active radar seeking device, activated in the final portion of flight, with a target capture angle of 120 degrees. The system has two fuses – one contact based and a second based on calculated distance to the target. The missile is capable of reaching speeds of up to Mach 5 in the final stage of flight.

The R-37M air-to-air missile

"The missile is capable of destroying targets at maneuvering with acceleration of 10g," Tuchkov wrote. "In other words, dodging the R-37M is extremely difficult even for the F-22, which maneuvers with acceleration up to 9.5g."

Finally, Russia has another air-to-missile in store – the KS-172. That missile has an estimated range of 400 km, a maximum flight altitude of 30 km, 12g targeting capability, and a speed of 4,000 km/h. "That missile is being designed for the T-50. If it can be fitted aboard the Su-35S, many of this problems this fighter [might have fighting 5th gen planes] will quickly disappear," Tuchkov concluded.

The KS-172 air-to-air missile

 

[Hindustani78]

https://sputniknews.com/military/201706211054823287-china-donates-military-serbian-army/

The Serbian Army on Tuesday received military equipment worth around 900,000 euros (1 million US dollars) donated by China.

A total of 16 rubber boats with outboard engines, five snowmobiles and 10 portable devices for detecting explosives and narcotics were donated to the Serbian army at the military barracks in Pancevo.

Attending the ceremony were Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic, Defense Minister Zoran Djordjevic and Chinese ambassador to Serbia Li Manchang, as well as army officials, officers and soldiers.

Djordjevic said it was not the first time that China had donated to the Serbian army as "they were here during floods, and always when our people needed it".

"This is just one of many donations. So far, around 4.95 million euros were realized this way," Djordjevic said.

The Serbian government said in a statement China had donated 1.5-million-euros worth of information technology (IT) equipment and 20 ambulances. After the 2014 floods in the country, China had also donated 355,000 euros in equipment and aid.

Ambassador Li said the new donation was an expression of friendship between Chinese and Serbian armies and that Chinese people would always remember that the Serbian army appeared as a participant two years ago at a grand parade in Beijing.

Vucic thanked China for the donation as well as for the country's support to Serbia in past years.

"I am proud of the fact that we have managed to achieve such good relations with China, and, although we are a small country, we are a reliable and a secure partner of China," Vucic concluded.

 

[Hindustani78]

In the framework of military aid to Serbia Russia will deliver fighter jets as well as transport aircraft, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin told Sputnik on Sunday.

https://sputniknews.com/military/201706251054958752-russia-serbia-military-aid/

BELGRADE (Sputnik) — In December 2016, then Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vucic announced that Belgrade was planning to receive six Mikoyan MiG-29 fighter jets, as well as 30 T-72S tanks and 30 BRDM-2 armored scout vehicles, as part of a Russian military aid package.

"Not only MiG [aircraft]. There will be many things there. Tanks, transport aircraft. It will be great to help a friend," Rogozin said in an interview.

On Thursday, Rogozin arrived in the Serbian capital of Belgrade to participate in the inauguration ceremony of President Aleksandar Vucic, which took place on Friday.