Advaita, this would be my last reply on this topic. I do not think a foreign forum is a proper place for this discussion.
Your view. My view is that even the so called feudal landlords are Indian citizens just as much as Tribals.
and? The point is not whether they are Indian citizens, the point is whether they have been treated fairly. Feudal landlords have throughout the years exploited the poor in these areas. While these landlords live in mansions, the majority live in small huts. I find that morally reprehensible.
Exception to citizenship being only for Naxals/VHP/Bajrang Dal/Commies/Honorary Pakistanis and these are already loosing on all fronts though I must admit I would have liked the beating much more severe and much swifter.
Commies again!! You really need to stop using American lingo.
Naxals are only exploiters of Tribals just as much as admittedly a small bunch but a virulent bunch of non-tribals.
Naxals have exploited tribals yes. But the problem did not start with the Naxals, it started with a "virulent bunch of non-tribals".
Whatever good they claim to be doing is exactly in the nature of the programs of VHP in India and JI in Pakistan.
No, it is not the same. If you cannot grasp that, that is entirely your concern.
They just want to bury the natural abilities of tribals under tons of commie Ehsaan.
Natural abilities of tribals? What pray might they be? Do they have some inherent abilities in them when they are born? Don't talk nonsense. Nobody has "natural abilities". What we are, what we will be - is a result of socio-economic conditions we are born in.
Also I have already admitted Salwa Judum in Indian conditions would not have worked.
What does work mean exactly? Arming one segment of citizens so that they can kill another segment?
But morally reprehensible.
Yes, morally reprehensible. You see, in a democratic society, people vote for governments so that they provide law and order. We don't vote for them so that they make the situation worse. I believe the Supreme Court agrees with me.
Ok I see your point, Naxals taking up arms is ok but Salwa is not. I can see where you are going. Trying to build up a fight between Tribals and Non-tribals......Anyway Naxals are still going to loose, something they deserve.
No, you do not see my point. Please quote me where i have said that naxals taking up arms is okay. No seriously, quote me.
My point is, the only way to end the naxal insurgency is to improve the lives of our rural population. We, right now, are following economic policies that benefit people who live in cities, creating greater inequality, and increasing alienation.
Poors of Bengal remained poor inspite of there agrarian economy and still they allowed Nano (and concommitent Industrialisation that was to come) to be denied entry.
Please have a look at land reforms done in Bengal. They are a model to be followed. And the only people who denied them entry were farmers who did not wish to sell their land. Is that so despicable?
Nano went to Uttrakhand (admittedly in a limited manner) where the people were even worse off (because of poor mountain soil) but had an open mind towards libralisation and you just wait and see.....Uttrakand will overtake Bengal too (Bengal was at one time amongst the advanced states of India). Tatas have already asked its suppliers to bring in there investments into that state. We have a higher literacy rate compared to national average there, inspite of abject poverty and we will get our fair share of Indian dream also. Simply because we are ready to work hard and long and earn our due citizenship instead of believing in the get equal quick schemes a la the Libyan.
Ironic that you ridicule socialist ideology as being a "get equal quick scheme" when in fact it is capitalist industrialization that tries to seduce the world with its "get rich quick schemes".
The natural human state is specialization to develop competitive survival skills
Natural human state? Now, you throw these words around like they mean something but they don't. Many people throughout the years have said what the natural human state is - Aristotle, Erasmus, Locke, Engels and Marx, etc. Whether there is such a thing as a natural human state is debatable. What is not is that the natural human state is certainly not developing "competitive survival skills."
and that is already on its way to restoration even in the most holiest of commie country (NK is resisting and BTW this commie has also turned fascist even by text book defination).
You just contradicted yourself.
Commies have killed more people in history then any other bunch,
No. That would be religion.
they have also denied the rights of the largest number of people in history
Capitalism.
and denied equality to the largest number of people in history by denying the natural accumulation of the benefits of industry and hardwork over time
Benefits of industry and hard work? Seriously dude, what is wrong with you? Even an American citizen - who have perfected the rhetoric of hard work - would not talk like this. Especially after having faced an economic meltdown.
To use your logic against you, a farmer works a million times harder then any Ambani ever could. So why is it that Mukesh Ambani lives in a skyscraper and spends more money in an hour then most farmers would in ten years?
just so they could sell the chimera of instantaneous equality to the uneducated masses.
Socialism doesn't talk of equality. It talks of equal opportunities. And even Communism doesn't say that equality would be instantaneous. I suggest you properly read up on these ideologies.
You go by what you read in books I go by the deeds. The choice is there but of course the consequences will also be there.
Deeds are done by men. The difference is the idea.
Dont club me with yourself. I know what I have gone through to get what I have. And you have no idea what I am working towards.
Also just till 1 generation back pretty much everybody in this country was in the same boat as I was in my personal history.
You and i are in the same boat. Whether you like it or not, we are both beneficiaries of India's economy. What i want is that all people receive the same opportunities that i have.
Also how do you explain the migration of tribals to cities in search of livelihood if the Naxals/Commies are giving them a heaven in there. Must be a RAW conspiracy.
or it could be as a result of the inequality i was talking about. Cities develop while the rural countryside remains behind. So why wouldn't they migrate to the cities?
And besides Do you even have an idea about the kind of risks that need to be taken in business and the kind of exertion that goes into making a good one. And BTW do billionaires eat money or do they invest it back into productive and efficient assets.
Risks? Don't make me laugh. A Billionaire loses a couple of million in a bad investment is no risk at all. The real risk is to take loan in order to buy better seeds, not knowing whether you'll be able to pay back the loan. The farmers in Vidharba know all about this kind of risk.
You probably dont understand that our agricultural productivity levels are amongst the lowest in the world even in the well irrigated areas. This is only because of the poor adaptablity to new technology and methodologies and persisting with old ideas which clubbed with increasing populations (tribal and non-tribal) is what brought the diffulties in our food security.
Agreed. But what does that have to do with the topic in question?
What about shooting non-tribals? What about undermining the offsprings of tribals themselves? Today we have to export ore (99% mitti) simply because we dont have installed capacity to refine it and this inspite of the fact that we are fairly competitive in metals and metallurgy.
So why isnt the government setting up industries in Jharkhand and Orissa to refine ore and other metals? Why is it giving contracts to refine our natural resources to foreign companies?
Yup by preventing the tribals from integrating into the industrialization process of India.
I'm not against industrialization.
Strange every single person I read said that Indirajis License Raj preventing entrepreneurial development, were leftist Ideas.
Read where? The Times of India? The economist? Please don't read toe-rag publications that are basking in the glory of our economic reforms.
IMO your ideas of left are something like Wahabis how also claim that whatever they dont agree with is not Islam.
You think all leftist ideology is the same? That socialism = Communism = anarchy? Once again, read a proper book.
Your comment about the state quiting. Well try it
.. Many like you commies came and went. India is only poor not a giver upper.
Once again, your opinions and advice are quite irrelevant.