Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked

[dadeechi]

That risk exists but it is not a major one since no internal corruption is made out.

This leak took place in 2011 when BJP was not in power but yet it did not prevent Congress from taking the offensive line.

Manish has already been giving news conferences and on talk shows accusing the government.

 

[Shankranthi]

This leak took place in 2011 when BJP was not in power but yet it did not prevent Congress from taking the offensive line.

Manish has already been giving news conferences and on talk shows accusing the government.

The good thing is that the congress does not have any credibility left for people to take them seriously.

 

[dadeechi]

isn't it strange that they are NOW doing a "detailed assessment" AFTER publicly declaring that nothing important has been revealed ?

What is frightening is that one of our so called defense expert says on TV that fortunately the sensitive info on the leaked documents was blacked out. If this intelligence of the people conducting the investigation, God save India.

The good thing is that the congress does not have any credibility left for people to take them seriously.

And they would make full use of this issue to regain that trust.

 

[Shankranthi]

What is frightening is that one of our so called defense expert says on TV that fortunately the sensitive info on the leaked documents was blacked out. If this intelligence of the people conducting the investigation, God save India.

LOL...... one can only hope that the statement was made for the not so bright public of India.

And they would make full use of this issue to regain that trust.

They would surely try, but I don't think it would sell since the leak is clearly from France. The real impact will be in the future when MoD takes decision to extend the scorpene line or shut it down.

 

[dadeechi]

Cancelling now will be a bad idea.
One is in Sea Trial (INS Kalvari) & other is ready for launch (INS Khanderi), Two are under construction (S52 & S53) that make Four out of Six. If we cancel now maintaining 2 submarine that are ready will be less economical . Our own shipyards will lose business . A lot of factors here if GoI cancels this deal.

Conventional submarines of India be it Kilo or 209 are over 3 Decades old (Not like this), so our Navy needs New Subs if cancelled new selection will take time then Red Tapism of India you Know we are talking about 10-15 more years.
We cannot actually say anything until we see all Docs ourselves but as leak happened in 2011 it is unlikely a lot of things for Indian variant are compromised as they were being manufactured at that time so How come manuals are there before Sub is done building?
It may there due to being similar to other scorpene class subs malaysia ,chile navy operate or may be forged to get Media Attention?

I totally understand what you are saying but remember what is Unknown is Unknown.

It is always easier to have a mitigating plan for a know risk than an unknown risk.

And you can only implement any mitigating with full cooperating of the OEM which is lacking in this case.

All mitigating plans have to be implemented by GoI on its own.

DCNS has already thrown India under the bus by claiming & indicating the leak happed from Indian end. The documents have India logos.

By being defensive, GoI is going to give more ammunition to the OEM.

They would surely try, but I don't think it would sell since the leak is clearly from France. The real impact will be in the future when MoD takes decision to extend the scorpene line or shut it down.

DCNS would never claim responsibility. They have already gone on offensive saying their systems are secure and in case of Indian it was subcontracted. They are already washing away their hands.

Just a curious question, going by your logic. If someone takes your nude pic and another guy publish it on the newspaper. You will thank the newspaper guy for letting you and everyone know that your picture was taken? Don't take me wrong, just confused by your logic.

Good Day to you!

You may not thank the reporter but at least you would realize why people around you were laughing all along while you were clueless.

 

[Shankranthi]

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By being defensive, GoI is going to give more ammunition to the OEM.

The priority for GoI is to restore public confidence and regain control of the psys ops and propaganda war. GoI has ammunition ONLY if they can PROVE that the leak is from france. Then it will all depend on what the liability clause on the Contract would say.

Posture either way will have no impact on GoI dealing with DCNS.

DCNS would never claim responsibility. They have already gone on offensive saying their systems are secure and in case of Indian it was subcontracted. They are already washing away their hands.

Nor should they. Always claim to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. That is the way the legal system works.

 

[dadeechi]

So what is the Alternative? Start Crying and throw a Hissile Fit , Cancel all deals? Sink the one Sub we have? Tell AUS to cancel the deal with DCNS? Run around and pull out our hairs? Send gifts and present and award the Reporter for doing his Job ?? Ask the IN chief and DM Parrikar to resign and beg for mercy from the citizen of India ? oh wait Call the IN Intelligence he too should resign !
Get more people to check if there is more leaks and if YES , start all over again with Crying and throw a Hissile Fit and Cancel all deals? Wow that sound FUN!!!! Lets do that!

It is very obvious that the leak is from the friendly camp.

US, Germany, UK, Australia and Japan are a close knit family and French barging into that relationship would not be taken kindly.

Hence the only option is to replace Scorpene program with Barracuda class if DCNS is willing else look for Russian options.

India should shut the doors on German & Japanese options.

The priority for GoI is to restore public confidence and regain control of the psys ops and propaganda war. GoI has ammunition ONLY if they can PROVE that the leak is from france. Then it will all depend on what the liability clause on the Contract would say.

By being defensive GoI would end up accepting the guilt.

Nor should they. Always claim to be innocent until PROVEN guilty. That is the way the legal system works

If only the other party cared. They could have just said that Investigations are progress rather than pointing the finger at India.

 

[GuardianRED]

It is very obvious that the leak is from the friendly camp.

US, Germany, UK, Australia and Japan are a close knit family and French barging into that relationship would not be taken kindly.

Hence the only option is to replace Scorpene program with Barracuda class if DCNS is willing else look for Russian options.

India should shut the doors on German & Japan options.



By being defensive GoI would end up accepting the guilt.



If only the other party cared. They could have just said that Investigations are progress rather than pointing the finger at India.

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Out of lazy curiously - Why should shut doors on German and Japan options

 

[dadeechi]

GoI has ammunition ONLY if they can PROVE that the leak is from france.

Why would either French or India leak such info. It is very obvious that the leak is from the 3rd party.

Out of lazy curiously - Why should shut doors on German and Japan options

As the leak is most likely from one of those camps.

 

[Hellfire]

There, we are in trouble

 

[PARIKRAMA]

There, we are in trouble

Now now, we should express better

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

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Out of lazy curiously - Why should shut doors on German and Japan options

Maybe some problems with German girls and Japanese cuisines ?

 

[dadeechi]

Maybe some problems with German girls and Japanese cuisines ?

Not girls only cuisines...

 

[Shankranthi]

By being defensive GoI would end up accepting the guilt.

Such things don't mean anything in the real world, especially in geo politics and business. The world is full of such "guilty" forces (from MNC's to Nations) plundering the world and they sit in judgement on others.

If only the other party cared. They could have just said that Investigations are progress rather than pointing the finger at India.

Pointing the finger at somebody else is the most common tactics in Criminal Defence strategy. DCNS public posturing would be to point fingers at India, IN, "foreign hand", "conspiracy", competition, etc. etc.

In private they will demand for proof when challenged and take a hard stand.

Between these two lies negotiations.

 

[A_Poster]

@PARIKRAMA

I feel @ashok321 is heading @kahonapyarhai way. Only posting, dont you think that?

@ashok321 aka @mehboobkz aka @Anees is famous for spamming threads

Probably they all are same guys?