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??? What are u talking abt? how r these two related?
Sensitive Data of Indian Navy’s Scorpene Class Submarines Leaked
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I read it I have even downloaded his leak documents
The documents are date 2011 as mentioned
In the Australian newspaper
Paper since the said news surfaced
Perhaps you missed that part purposely they mentioned it there every article that it was leaked in 2011 in some south Asian country
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Why are you mad for some unknown reasons? Good on ya,you have this figured out!
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Scorpene leak: Data includes details on missile likely to be used on the submarine
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...n-the-submarine/2016/08/28/article3601425.ece
NEW DELHI: Leaked documents on the Scopene submarine include details of the capabilities of the SM.39 anti-ship missile expected to be used on the submarine, The Australian has said in its latest report.
Cameron Stewart, the journalist who broke the story of leak of French company DCNS's documents, also said in the latest report that the firm is threatening legal action against the newspaper to prevent further publication of information.
The report comes a day after Stewart tweeted he will publish the documents with weapon information.
"India's Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar, who has ordered an investigation of the leak, has tried to allay fears of the damage, saying the leak was most likely 'not a big worry' because the data did not contain weapons system details. However, the leaked secret data seen by The Australian includes details of the capabilities of the SM39 anti-ship missile expected to be used on the Scorpene," said his story in The Australian.
"The data includes the number of targets the missile is capable of processing, its launch details and how many targets could be downloaded before firing," the report said.
The Scorpenes, with six torpedo launching tubes, are to be armed with SM-39 Exocet missiles, a sea-skimming, solid fueled, anti-ship missile with an operational range up to 180 km and terminal active radar homing.
The report also said the DCNS is threatening the newspaper of legal action.
"The French shipbuilder at the centre of a global submarine data leak scandal is threatening legal action today to prevent further publication of the information contained in 22,400 secret documents obtained by The Australian."
The report said lawyers for DCNS have told The Australian the company will seek an injunction in the Supreme Court of New South Wales on Monday to prevent further publication of documents.
It added that DCNS is also seeking a court order to force the newspaper to hand over the documents and remove them from its website.
"The publication of this highly valuable document causes a direct harm to DCNS and its customer in terms of spread of sensitive and restricted information, image and reputation," The Australian quotes an affidavit by DCNS's lawyer Justine Munsie as saying.
Around 22,400 pages of data was leaked from DCNS, which contains critical information of India's Scorpene submarines. The Indian Navy has however maintained that the information is not alarming, as the real signature of the under trial first boat, as well as others, is yet to be finalised.
Parrikar, on Friday had said the leaked documents do not contain information on the weapons systems.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...n-the-submarine/2016/08/28/article3601425.ece
NEW DELHI: Leaked documents on the Scopene submarine include details of the capabilities of the SM.39 anti-ship missile expected to be used on the submarine, The Australian has said in its latest report.
Cameron Stewart, the journalist who broke the story of leak of French company DCNS's documents, also said in the latest report that the firm is threatening legal action against the newspaper to prevent further publication of information.
The report comes a day after Stewart tweeted he will publish the documents with weapon information.
"India's Defence Minister, Manohar Parrikar, who has ordered an investigation of the leak, has tried to allay fears of the damage, saying the leak was most likely 'not a big worry' because the data did not contain weapons system details. However, the leaked secret data seen by The Australian includes details of the capabilities of the SM39 anti-ship missile expected to be used on the Scorpene," said his story in The Australian.
"The data includes the number of targets the missile is capable of processing, its launch details and how many targets could be downloaded before firing," the report said.
The Scorpenes, with six torpedo launching tubes, are to be armed with SM-39 Exocet missiles, a sea-skimming, solid fueled, anti-ship missile with an operational range up to 180 km and terminal active radar homing.
The report also said the DCNS is threatening the newspaper of legal action.
"The French shipbuilder at the centre of a global submarine data leak scandal is threatening legal action today to prevent further publication of the information contained in 22,400 secret documents obtained by The Australian."
The report said lawyers for DCNS have told The Australian the company will seek an injunction in the Supreme Court of New South Wales on Monday to prevent further publication of documents.
It added that DCNS is also seeking a court order to force the newspaper to hand over the documents and remove them from its website.
"The publication of this highly valuable document causes a direct harm to DCNS and its customer in terms of spread of sensitive and restricted information, image and reputation," The Australian quotes an affidavit by DCNS's lawyer Justine Munsie as saying.
Around 22,400 pages of data was leaked from DCNS, which contains critical information of India's Scorpene submarines. The Indian Navy has however maintained that the information is not alarming, as the real signature of the under trial first boat, as well as others, is yet to be finalised.
Parrikar, on Friday had said the leaked documents do not contain information on the weapons systems.
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Scorpene is a 2000' tech (with some french tech used in SSBN "Le triomphant" for noise reduction). 2000 tons sub.
Barracuda Shortfin is a 2015' tech, studied for the SSN Barracuda, the newer french submarine, 4000+ tons sub.
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It's you who looking clueless here
Which simply have no idea on subject in hand
Probably though it's embarrassing for India that disputed so sensitive data leaked
After rebuffed and countered by Naval experts
You stated doubting naval experts like you are some some hotshot
After that you purposely indulge in flame bait it clearly seen who is mad here and frustrated here
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India not even consider weapons on there scorpene sub's
Black shark was rejected
It's clear now it's Chilean version
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The surface speed is useless. It's a SUBmarine, not a frigate.
You can be sure the Scorpene is largely better. **** Agosta is a 1750 tons, while indian scorpene is a 2000 tons. Scorpene AIP is at least a generation ahead. The scorpene skull is far better (with a skipjack form when the Agosta has a less contoured nose).
Maybe they are comparing AIP Agosta datas with non AIP Scorpene one. If not, no way.
It's not the french fault. Just ink the deal !
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I'm happy to hear Indian Navy experts can reach conclusions without the full set of data,that's a skill I would love to acquire after I hang up my boots.
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Indian Navy expert have the original blue prints of data which currently in construction in india
They matched document what is leaked and it's finding of data which Australian leaked are dated 4-5 old and standard title operating manual
And different from what Navy currently has in their possession which classified
I already explained this to you earlier
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WRONG !
The range of Exocet 39SM (SM like Sous Marin = sub in french) is 60km.
180 km is the range of the exocet 40 block 3 (with a small turbofan). This model DOESN'T exists for submarine launch.
All is said about the veracity of this news.
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'No delay in Scorpene programme, India capable of making changes'
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...le-of-making-changes/articleshow/53900872.cms
NEW DELHI: As the Indian Navyinvestigates the leaked documents pertaining to its six Scorpene submarines, top officers say they do not expect the project to be delayed and that the first vessel, INS Kalvari, which is currently undergoing sea trials, will be inducted by the year-end.
While the Indian Navy has maintained the leaked data -- which The Australian newspaper that broke the story says runs into 22,400 pages -- will not compromise the boat's stealth capabilities, an officer told IANS that, if needed, India is capable of making suitable changes in the submarines keeping in mind the "worst-case scenario".
Changes can be made "at any stage, if needed", the officer said.
"We are expecting to induct INS Kalvari in the navy by year-end. The trials have been good. So far we do not see the leaks affecting the schedule," he added.
The other five submarines are expected to be inducted after a gap of nine months each after the first.
"We must not forget the submarines are being built by us, so we have all the capabilities for making some changes if required," the officer said. The official however maintained they do not see any need for changes "right now".
He said that India will have the real critical information on the boat once the trials are over, and reiterated the Indian Navy's official line that the information in the documents is generic.
"The final signature of the submarine is still to be established. Those documents, that come out after the trials, will have the actual critical information and will be only with the Indian Navy," the officer said.
The disclosures in the leaked documents relate to cylindrical and flank array, sonar interception, acoustic signature and levels of noise radiation, among other details.
However, asked about the Air Independent Propulsion (AIP), which was to give the submarines increased stealth, enabling them to stay under water for longer durations, the officer remained non-committal.
"The technology is being developed by the DRDO; the process is going on," he officer said.
The AIP system, being developed by the Maharashtra-based Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL), is a fuel cell that replaces diesel in conventional submarines. It converts methanol-like substances to produce hydrogen, which is the fuel that runs the cell to produce electricity.
While diesel engines need oxygen to function, these cells are air independent. The system also emits less noise, increasing its stealth -- the most critical feature of a submarine.
With this system, a conventional submarine that needs to surface every three to four days for replenishing its oxygen supply, can stay underwater for up to two weeks.
It was earlier expected to be fitted in at least last two of the six Scorpenes but officials later said it may miss the fifth one as well.
The Scorpene submarines, which are being made by the Mazagaon Dock Limited (MDL), have been designed by the French firm DCNS, from where the documents are believed to have leaked.
The leak of documents came to light this week with a report in The Australian. The journalist who broke the story, Cameron Stewart, has said the documents were with a whistleblower for at least last two years in Australia.
Before that, it was for an unknown period on an internet server in Singapore, exposed to threats like hacking. It is not known if anyone accessed the report at that time.
The documents have triggered fears that they may compromise the submarine's stealth capabilities.
Tracking a submarine involves sophisticated sonar equipment that can detect, classify, locate and track a vessel based on echoes from its hull and the noise it generates. Hull reflection, radio and radar signals and water pressure can also give away a submarine's location.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...le-of-making-changes/articleshow/53900872.cms
NEW DELHI: As the Indian Navyinvestigates the leaked documents pertaining to its six Scorpene submarines, top officers say they do not expect the project to be delayed and that the first vessel, INS Kalvari, which is currently undergoing sea trials, will be inducted by the year-end.
While the Indian Navy has maintained the leaked data -- which The Australian newspaper that broke the story says runs into 22,400 pages -- will not compromise the boat's stealth capabilities, an officer told IANS that, if needed, India is capable of making suitable changes in the submarines keeping in mind the "worst-case scenario".
Changes can be made "at any stage, if needed", the officer said.
"We are expecting to induct INS Kalvari in the navy by year-end. The trials have been good. So far we do not see the leaks affecting the schedule," he added.
The other five submarines are expected to be inducted after a gap of nine months each after the first.
"We must not forget the submarines are being built by us, so we have all the capabilities for making some changes if required," the officer said. The official however maintained they do not see any need for changes "right now".
He said that India will have the real critical information on the boat once the trials are over, and reiterated the Indian Navy's official line that the information in the documents is generic.
"The final signature of the submarine is still to be established. Those documents, that come out after the trials, will have the actual critical information and will be only with the Indian Navy," the officer said.
The disclosures in the leaked documents relate to cylindrical and flank array, sonar interception, acoustic signature and levels of noise radiation, among other details.
However, asked about the Air Independent Propulsion (AIP), which was to give the submarines increased stealth, enabling them to stay under water for longer durations, the officer remained non-committal.
"The technology is being developed by the DRDO; the process is going on," he officer said.
The AIP system, being developed by the Maharashtra-based Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL), is a fuel cell that replaces diesel in conventional submarines. It converts methanol-like substances to produce hydrogen, which is the fuel that runs the cell to produce electricity.
While diesel engines need oxygen to function, these cells are air independent. The system also emits less noise, increasing its stealth -- the most critical feature of a submarine.
With this system, a conventional submarine that needs to surface every three to four days for replenishing its oxygen supply, can stay underwater for up to two weeks.
It was earlier expected to be fitted in at least last two of the six Scorpenes but officials later said it may miss the fifth one as well.
The Scorpene submarines, which are being made by the Mazagaon Dock Limited (MDL), have been designed by the French firm DCNS, from where the documents are believed to have leaked.
The leak of documents came to light this week with a report in The Australian. The journalist who broke the story, Cameron Stewart, has said the documents were with a whistleblower for at least last two years in Australia.
Before that, it was for an unknown period on an internet server in Singapore, exposed to threats like hacking. It is not known if anyone accessed the report at that time.
The documents have triggered fears that they may compromise the submarine's stealth capabilities.
Tracking a submarine involves sophisticated sonar equipment that can detect, classify, locate and track a vessel based on echoes from its hull and the noise it generates. Hull reflection, radio and radar signals and water pressure can also give away a submarine's location.
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What are you expecting from journalists
India for that matter is not even selected weapons for its submarine
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Ohh now comes to Twitter source's
Jeez! Somebody should fax those few pages to these idiots,waiting for all the 22,000 pages to be released.............Experts,Duh!
When you finished with technical arguments
Without having the full knowledge of the full matter it's expected from a fanboy
There breach of the clause in deal
So MoD will have every right to know the reason
So stay carm as of now nothing substance in any of this news
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Only us indians (Eg this guy above) like to believe a Foreigner in this case an Aussie reporter and Believe him to be the Gospel Truth other then our own actual Naval Officers! ... Sad
Jeez! Somebody should fax those few pages to these idiots,waiting for all the 22,000 pages to be released.............Experts,Duh!
Also Who uses fax any more?
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