Senate Demands Formal US Strategy to Stop China in South China Sea

[Superboy]

The US could have conquered China and incorporated China into the US as a territory in 1945 when the US had nukes and no one else did. That ship has sailed.

Japan is smaller than the state of Montana. Only the Japanese think Japan is a significant power. To everyone else, the concept is laughable.

Size doesn't matter. Look at Israel. Only 22,000 sq km and it has hundreds of fighter jets more than most countries in the world.

China and the US superimposed.

 

[Superboy]

lol, Japan is the size of the American Eastern Seaboard.

Missing the top portion and Florida.

 

[Aepsilons]

Missing the top portion and Florida.

Interesting to note that the US population is concentrated on the Eastern seaboard.

The midwest is practically sparsely populated --- found this out when i drove from NJ to Wyoming couple of years back.

Beautiful , nonetheless....! Just like Canada's interior provinces --- sparsely populated yet beautiful.

 

[Superboy]

The midwest is practically sparsely populated --- found this out when i drove from NJ to Wyoming couple of years back.

Yes very mountainous. Japan is also very mountainous.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Greater Japanese activity in South China Sea.

We chinese are 不屈不挠, there is alot of opportunities for both to play off each other. It will be interesting to see more Chinese activities at Japan sea to monitor the so call "Noth Korean missile test activities".

 

[Aepsilons]

Yes very mountainous. Japan is also very mountainous.

It has to do with the geology. I'd refer you to the midcontinental rift theory in geology , as it has basis in the etiological formation of the continent.

Mysterious Midcontinent Rift a Geological Hybrid : Science : Nature World News

But, yes, let's get back to topic.

We chinese are 不屈不挠, there is alot of opportunities for both to play off each other. It will be interesting to see more Chinese activities at Japan sea to monitor the so call "Noth Korean missile test activities".

We Japanese have worked with you Chinese for over 2500 years. Over two and half millenia of contact, trade, and interaction --- has given us the understanding of Chinese character and thus we are able to have pragmatic approach with each other.

Some Chinese will say, "we know the Japanese heart", we Japanese will counter, "we know full well the Chinese character."

 

[Genesis]

4 Senators does not equal the Senate.

More Sputnik spin!

One military professor in China isn't the Chinese military, didn't stop anyone from using his quotes everywhere to prove points.

At most, we are equally biased.

Greater Japanese activity in South China Sea.

As Japan should, that piracy is getting crazy and 'll be damned if China is the one paying that bill. Still a very poor and developing nation you see.

However if you mean stopping China's ambitions in SCS, I'm afraid that will do little, without going into detail, China is already taking Japan into account, while US is on the fence.

So US patrol will add a dimension to this, Japan is really just moving the forces we already accounted for, down and to the left.

Its not as easy as you say, lol. If it was easy, then why doesn't China dare blockade Japan now? Since China is so powerful.

If you were a troll I let this go, but since you are not, well hopefully, this can't be let go. US blockade of China, Japan blockading China, and even India blockading China is often talked about, I even seen Philippines blockading China.

No credible Chinese would ever say, well, why don't the US do it, since it's so great.

It has to do with the geology. I'd refer you to the midcontinental rift theory in geology , as it has basis in the etiological formation of the continent.

Mysterious Midcontinent Rift a Geological Hybrid : Science : Nature World News

But, yes, let's get back to topic.




We Japanese have worked with you Chinese for over 2500 years. Over two and half millenia of contact, trade, and interaction --- has given us the understanding of Chinese character and thus we are able to have pragmatic approach with each other.

Some Chinese will say, "we know the Japanese heart", we Japanese will counter, "we know full well the Chinese character."

Also if Japanese knows Chinese so well, Abe's intentionally pissing us off then. Very provocative.

 

[Aepsilons]

Also if Japanese knows Chinese so well, Abe's intentionally pissing us off then. Very provocative.

Abe's in a complex situation, in regards to history. His grandfather , the late 岸 信介 -- Kishi Nobusuke -- was himself involved in the Japanese Government from 1920s to 1940s; and had played a role in the development of Manchukuo (Manchuria). So, naturally, Abe has personal affiliation that makes it sensitive.

As Japan should, that piracy is getting crazy and 'll be damned if China is the one paying that bill. Still a very poor and developing nation you see.

However if you mean stopping China's ambitions in SCS, I'm afraid that will do little, without going into detail, China is already taking Japan into account, while US is on the fence.

So US patrol will add a dimension to this, Japan is really just moving the forces we already accounted for, down and to the left.

Piracy is rampant in South China Seas, as well as unmitigated poachers. This is a threat to the $5 Trillion Japanese Economy , which depends on freedom of navigation. Hence, i would not be surprised if Japan adopts a focus to expand the JMSDF's operations in the region.

 

[Genesis]

Abe's in a complex situation, in regards to history. His grandfather , the late 岸 信介 -- Kishi Nobusuke -- was himself involved in the Japanese Government from 1920s to 1940s; and had played a role in the development of Manchukuo (Manchuria). So, naturally, Abe has personal affiliation that makes it sensitive.

Abe isn't a person, by that I mean, he's the voice and representation of Japan and Japanese people. He choose this life, nobody made him.

The emperor has no choice in his position and yet, is acting in a classy way, I don't understand how it can be impossible for some one that CHOSE this life.

Piracy is rampant in South China Seas, as well as unmitigated poachers. This is a threat to the $5 Trillion Japanese Economy , which depends on freedom of navigation. Hence, i would not be surprised if Japan adopts a focus to expand the JMSDF's operations in the region.

make sense, if that's all you meant in that comment.

 

[luoyue]

Abe's in a complex situation, in regards to history. His grandfather , the late 岸 信介 -- Kishi Nobusuke -- was himself involved in the Japanese Government from 1920s to 1940s; and had played a role in the development of Manchukuo (Manchuria). So, naturally, Abe has personal affiliation that makes it sensitive.

It does mean that, officially, Japan is recognized Monchuria is independent state, was not territory of Japan Emperial, is this right ?

 

[TheTruth]

LOL, ridiculous.

If its so easy, why not blockade now?

Japan Gets Involved In South China Sea Territorial Dispute: Tokyo Offers Maritime Support To Philippines, Vietnam

So are you choosing Vietnam and the Philippines over Taiwan? Your aid to these two countries will not help them at all, they are still vastly outmatched by China. But this will embolden them to kill and rob more Taiwanese fishermen, even though Taiwan could flatten both countries.

Is Japan deliberately trying to destroy ties with its only true friend in Asia?

 

[Aepsilons]

So are you choosing Vietnam and the Philippines over Taiwan? Your aid to these two countries will not help them at all, they are still vastly outmatched by China. But this will embolden them to kill and rob more Taiwanese fishermen, even though Taiwan could flatten both countries.

Is Japan deliberately trying to destroy ties with its only true friend in Asia?

Of course not. And I believe the Philippines and Taiwan have already formed a fisheries agreement after that shooting incident. I look forward to seeing the JMSDF, Taiwanese Navy and the Philippine Navy having joint exercises in the Western Pacific.

Taiwan, Philippines to sign fishery agreement | Politics | FOCUS TAIWAN - CNA ENGLISH NEWS

Is Japan deliberately trying to destroy ties with its only true friend in Asia?

Taiwan is precious to Japan, you, a Taiwanese, should know that. Taiwan, it can be argued, is part of the beating heart of Japan.

 

[TheTruth]

Of course not. And I believe the Philippines and Taiwan have already formed a fisheries agreement after that shooting incident. I look forward to seeing the JMSDF, Taiwanese Navy and the Philippine Navy having joint exercises in the Western Pacific.

Taiwan is precious to Japan, you, a Taiwanese, should know that. Taiwan, it can be argued, is part of the beating heart of Japan.

Taiwan is willing to cooperate with other SCS claimants, just as the Mainland is. However these other claimants do not follow international law, and the only thing bringing PH to the negotiating table is the fact that the PRC is unwilling to tolerate their shenanigans. Otherwise they would continue throwing their "weight" around like a 5 year old repeatedly prodding an adult with a sharp stick. MOFA (TW) has stated that it has no intention of cooperating with the PRC in claims but that's clearly not the case if you look at how Taiwanese academics and the military are reacting. Therefore, there's no way on earth we'd ever risk pissing off the mainland by joining hands with counter-claimants. We are one people with one history and shared culture even if we have political disagreements.

The PRC and ROC administrations both agree that ROC claims have a strong basis in international law. The PRC is the legal successor to these claims. To invalidate the claim is to invalidate the territorial integrity and international recognition of Taiwan. In that case Taiwan island is simply just another territory that the PRC has sole legal and historical claim to. That seems counter-intuitive to US strategy, but it's quite clear the US is a nation of hypocrites that sees Taiwan as only one chip to be thrown into the fire.

 

[Aepsilons]

Taiwan is willing to cooperate with other SCS claimants, just as the Mainland is. However these other claimants do not follow international law, and the only thing bringing PH to the negotiating table is the fact that the PRC is unwilling to tolerate their shenanigans. Otherwise they would continue throwing their "weight" around like a 5 year old repeatedly prodding an adult with a sharp stick. MOFA (TW) has stated that it has no intention of cooperating with the PRC in claims but that's clearly not the case if you look at how Taiwanese academics and the military are reacting. Therefore, there's no way on earth we'd ever risk pissing off the mainland by joining hands with counter-claimants. We are one people with one history and shared culture even if we have political disagreements.

The PRC and ROC administrations both agree that ROC claims have a strong basis in international law. The PRC is the legal successor to these claims. To invalidate the claim is to invalidate the territorial integrity and international recognition of Taiwan. In that case Taiwan island is simply just another territory that the PRC has sole legal and historical claim to. That seems counter-intuitive to US strategy, but it's quite clear the US is a nation of hypocrites that sees Taiwan as only one chip to be thrown into the fire.

My friend, policy does not agree. Do you know that Japan and Taiwan have already implemented a new fisheries agreement regarding the Senakaku Islands? This is , of course, without Beijing's involvement.

Japan, Taiwan agree to modify landmark fishing pact off Senkakus | The Japan Times

Taiwan is willing to cooperate with other SCS claimants, just as the Mainland is. The only thing bringing PH to the negotiating table is the fact that the PRC is unwilling to tolerate their shenanigans. MOFA (TW) has stated that it has no intention of cooperating with the PRC in claims but that's clearly not the case if you look at how Taiwanese academics and the military are reacting. Therefore, there's no way on earth we'd ever risk pissing off the mainland by joining hands with counter-claimants. We are one people with one history and shared culture even if we have political disagreements.

I have strong belief that Taiwan will be a contributing member in stabilizing the SCS region and that Taiwanese naval participation with Japan and other relevant partners will be seen in the coming months.

Naturally, I am glad to see this.

 

[TheTruth]

My friend, policy does not agree. Do you know that Japan and Taiwan have already implemented a new fisheries agreement regarding the Senakaku Islands? This is , of course, without Beijing's involvement.

The ROC calls them the "Tiaoyu" islands. Japan completely ignored Taiwan until the PRC started pressing China's claims more vigorously. Both the Flips and Japan were forced to give concessions to the ROC.

Likewise the ROC has stated repeatedly that it has sole claim to all of the islands being disputed. There is absolutely no point of compromise between ROC and Viet/Flip claims.