Selfies 're a sin: Muslim cleric

[India defense]

next thing we will see camera less mobile for women ...even camera less camera

 

[Star Wars]

we have locked horns often on this topic isnt it ???

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I always won

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

My view is that Islam is against women and women rights.....until Islam updates itself to current era other religious people will consider it to be a terror preaching religion....

Sorry i didn't mean to troll or hurt anyone's feeling but this is my view....

How Islam is against women and womens right? You cannot just give this statement without explaining it from islamic sources

 

[Levina]

I always won

yes you 've always won a few blows on your face




Kidding!
I respect your views.

 

[Razia Sultana]

now you are the one to teach me, razia?? have you been in political activism off-line?? have you ever taken risks?? all you have been doing is typing vague "liberal" words and receiving thanks from sanghis... doesn't that embarrass you??

do you think being a female allows to talk patronizing and imperiously... i who am a leader off-line never have spoken like you do... that is not me.

you didn't even read the "worldwide government" post i gave link to.

it is you the confused, you who type democracy in the same sentence as modi, you who ignore ( Parents held for 'honour’ killing of 21-year-old Delhi University girl - The Times of India ) preferring to be lost in nationalistic mania... read your words from my uno reforms thread.

do you not have sense of justice and how humanity should be??

Trust me, they really did not teach me the political systems of Venezuela or Libya in my university nor anyone advised me to read their systems. And I still fail to see what is there in those countries to emulate?
Why should I be ashamed if someone who thanks me on pdf? Let them mess up with me and then you see.
I am not a political activist but I come from a politically active and influential muslim family of eastern UP and know the ground realities very well.
Any yes, I have not read your long post and have lost the link also. Sorry about that but thats the truth.
What do you expect me to comment on modi and democracy? He did not come to power by coup d'etat but by elections. When elections dont give me a favorable govt., i wont start blaming the system or democracy.
And please tag me to the thread you want my comments. It wont be proper to give my comments on honour killing here.
I request you to pick up points from my comment and criticise it logically. I am an open minded person and have no qualms about changing my opinion if i am convinced.

when i said i want a post-religion humanity, what are you going on about khilafat??

i quote libya and venezeula and you patter on about saudia and iran.

no, you have understood nothing... or don't you understand my simple english words??

Perhaps I did not understand "post-religion humanity".

either there be the cats or there can be dogs... not together.

you should choose.

Either cats or dogs.
Either America or Russia.
Either Capitalism or Communism.
Either Muslim or Hindu.
Either me or you.
Either life or death.

Now I am getting to understand a bit.

 

[Srinivas]

either there be the cats or there can be dogs... not together.

you should choose.

First you have to decide if they are cats or dogs, secondly if those cats and dogs have any issues by living together.

This the same attitude that is causing trouble all over the world. Simple thing to do stay away from people who try to divide.

 

[Koovie]

yeah, nothing wrong if the occasion calls for it (out partying with friends etc) but cant stand the constant facebook updates and self obsessed culture that goes with "selfies" .. such an annoying word too

Thank you -_- Now I cant get this stupid song out of my head again

 

[bongbang]

Muslim cleric declares selfies a sin under Islamic law… and criticises women in particular for being so 'shameless'
By TED THORNHILL FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 14:27 GMT, 27 January 2015 | UPDATED: 15:02 GMT, 27 January 2015

A Muslim cleric has declared selfies sinful, claiming that those who take them are succumbing to pride, ostentation and arrogance.

Popular Indonesian cleric Felix Siauw posted a series of tweets explaining why selfies should be avoided – but reserved most of his exasperation for women, who he said were being ‘shameless’ and ‘unpure’.

Siauw, who has over a million Twitter followers, wrote: ‘These days many Muslim women take selfies without shame. There are usually nine frames in one photo with facial poses that are just – My Goodness – where’s the purity in women?’

A Muslim cleric has declared selfies sinful, claiming that those who take them are succumbing to pride, ostentation and arrogance

He also said that because selfie-takers are desperate for social media views, they’re being ostentatious, and because taking a selfie makes people feel ‘cooler’, we’ve ‘fallen into the worst sin of all – arrogance’.


However, there was a huge Twitter backlash against his messages by Indonesians. Hundreds have posted selfies on the social media site using the hashtag # Selfie4Siauw, Quartz reported.

Many were taken by women, dozens by men – and some purely for comedy purposes, with a camel and great white shark uploaded with the hashtag.

It follows a prominent religious scholar in Saudi Arabia giving the cold shoulder to snowmen – by issuing a fatwa against them.

A snowfall in the middle eastern country saw Saudis eagerly building snowmen and even snow camels.

However, Mohammed Saleh Al Minjed decreed that building snowmen – or indeed creating any living creature out of snow – was an insult to the Islamic religion.

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There was a huge Twitter backlash against Siauw's messages by Indonesians, with hundreds posting selfies using the hashtag #Selfie4Siauw

Felix Siauw posted a series of tweets explaining why selfies should be avoided

He declared that inanimate objects such as ships and buildings could be imitated – or food – but not animals, according to Gulf News.

He wrote: 'God has given people space to make whatever they want which does not have a soul, including trees, ships, fruits, buildings and so on.'

The fatwa - or religious ruling - was given a frosty reception on social media sites by some people.

Blogger Mishaal complained that the ruling took the joy out of the unusual weather.

He said: 'We have snow for fleeting days, maybe even hours, and there is always someone who wants to rob us of the joy and the fun. It seems that the only thing left for us is to sit down and drink coffee.'

On Twitter users writing in Arabic and identifying themselves with Arab names joined in the debate.

'They are afraid for their faith of everything ... sick minds,' one Twitter user wrote.

Another posted a photo of a man in formal Arab garb holding the arm of a 'snow bride' wearing a bra and lipstick. 'The reason for the ban is fear of sedition,' he wrote.

A third said the country was plagued by two types of people: 'A people looking for a fatwa for everything in their lives, and a cleric who wants to interfere in everything in the lives of others through a fatwa,' the user wrote.

Sheikh Munajjid had some supporters, however. 'It (building snowmen) is imitating the infidels, it promotes lustiness and eroticism,' one wrote.

'May God preserve the scholars, for they enjoy sharp vision and recognise matters that even Satan does not think about.'

And blogger Al Marsad wrote: 'It has no value in our traditions… those fascinated by the West should emulate their inventions and sciences, not their culture,' according to Gulf News.

Snow has covered upland areas of Tabuk province near Saudi Arabia's border with Jordan for the third consecutive year.

Last year the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment (GAIAE) in the UAE issued a fatwa against living on Mars.

The committee argued that an attempt to dwell on the planet would be so hazardous as to be suicidal and killing oneself is not permitted by Islam.

The astronauts, the committee said, would end up dying for no 'righteous reason' and would face the same punishment in the afterlife as someone who'd committed suicide.

The GAIAE has issued around two million Fatwas through its Official Fatwa Centre since its inception in 2008.

In Malaysia, meanwhile, Muslim clerics have issued fatwas banning everything from yoga to Valentines Day in a bid to stop the influence of Western culture.

To ensure Muslims can keep pace with the rules, an 'e-fatwa' site has been started the Globalpost reports. The issue recently came to a head at a dog-petting festival for Muslims, with the organiser receiving threatening phone calls.

Muslims are taught that canines are unclean.

Malaysian activist Zainah Anwar, recently wrote that Muslims are 'sick and tired of being told, yet again, of more categories of Muslims and practices to be denounced, hated and declare deviant'.

Her women's rights group, Sisters in Islam, has also been targeted. It was issued with a fatwa for pushing 'liberalism'. It had pushed for Muslim women to be able to enter beauty pageants.

The group were challenging the ruling.

The list of fatwas now includes, Halloween, which is said to be too Christian and black metal because it is 'powerful enough to force a Muslim to forsake his faith'.

Botox is banned, but can be used if medically necessary.

Muslim cleric Felix Siauw declares selfies a sin under Islamic law | Daily Mail Online
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Sounds legit
Selfie in front of running train costs three college-goers their life - The Times of India

 

[asif farooqi]

This is not good, I mean I am not totally against but a logical reason should be given to justify the statement.

 

[Jf Thunder]

WTF

 

[jamahir]

Selfies are allowed in Islam. It is narrow minded people like Siauw who cause the problems existent in our society. The law against pictures was for a time when people began worshiping the pictures they had taken. That is why the prophet forbade pictures.

good explanation.

I blame lack of ijtehad for the failure of the muslim ummah.

no... the socialists among muslims did the most real islam... how are socialist ideals arrived except by ijtehad... it was the western governments who created or exploited the mullah tendency people.

the mosque long became center of intellectual and religious obscenity... during the october 2011 nato-puppet takeover of tripoli-libya, the qaeda/taliban dogs signaled the attack through mosque loudspeakers, and the dogs set out from the mosque to massacre... in syria, it was a mosque "imam" who was promoted by the western bloc as the president

what is morsi of egypt?? who supported him??

what was khomenei?? who supported him??

who rules indonesia ( this mullah's place )?? who supports them??

These mullahs have really led us down. Today there are only two types of mullahs. One are the slaves of the US, Israel and India

that is the only type there is.

and now taking selfies.

well, this mullah said it for moralistic ( akhaaqi ) reasons, i find selfies generally silly... they really should be haraam'ed.

but then why don't they take their fight to some god forsaken battlefield in the west.

hah... not in 100 years.

 

[ranjeet]

And you thought I dont do that??
You're wrong!!!
I have been very vociferous on this issue and 've ended up picking fights with other Indians on similar issues.
@ranjeet @Star Wars might remember a few incidents.


I am not the mod of this forum to be able to stop trolls from coming to my threads.

you are totally wrong I don't recall even a single incident.

 

[jamahir]

What about watching your gorgeous self in mirror? Halal or haram?

good point.

 

[Levina]

you are totally wrong I don't recall even a single incident.

jhoottaa!!!

 

[ranjeet]

jhoottaa!!!

that's the beauty of

good point.

you should burn your Indian ID cards and apply for the Islamic socialist passport.