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There IS such a thing as Muhammadanism. 1.5 Billion 'muslims' unknowingly practice it.
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PART II
By Naveed Tajamal
The Secularist Movement was started by certain elements which were the real pressure groups, as well the intellectual class of the later Ottoman Empire, whose efforts, were the culmination and introduction of the idea of secularism in the new constitution of a new Turkey in 1924.These people, who were infused with this thought process, brought a disaster for the Muslims of Turkey. The purpose of highlighting Ottoman Turkey as a case study, though very briefly and practically in general outline, is to state that, just because the Turk leadership of that time had done a blunder due to pressure of the then superpowers, we need not think about it as an example to follow, for reasons, as will be explained.
These blunders have resulted in a chain reaction of events.
A study of which however brief is a must. The intellectual class which had spearheaded this move were ethnically and religiously not the actual Turks, as the term goes. I had earlier stated, that the composition of the Turkish Empire were fifty percent Muslims, as late as 1910.However,at the time of the start of the 1839 and 1856 so-called reforms ,tanzimats, the Muslim population was much less as in between this period and by 1910 the Empire had lost a lot of its area, courtesy, its weak sultans and the leadership factor .
The powers of that time were obsessed with breaking Turkey, as they are with us now, with the balakanistion map so eagerly being propagated for us, and its merits too.
Reverting back to the Empire, and its, population as it stood, at the start of 20th century ,the inhabited; Iannina, Scutari, Kossovo and Monastir. They were Muslims Orthodox, as Albanians, as well as Catholic Christians. The Bulgarians, inhabited, Salonica, Kossova as well Monastir. All were Orthodox Christians. Here it is pertinent to note that the Headquarter of The Committee of Union and Progress was based at Salonica, or Salonika. The Freemason Jews, lent a powerful support to the work of the Committee. The later leader of Turks, Mustapha Kamal, was a key figure of this organization.
I had stated earlier, the Empire had 300,000 Jews all over. Business and commerce was in their hands. The Greeks followed next.
What happened to Adan Meneders, and his hanging much later ,on 16 sept.1961,along with Fatin Rustu Zorlu and Hasan Polatkan, was an interconnected sequence, spread over decades of resistance against secularism. The Servians, were in Kossova and the Christians, the Greeks, were spread all over doing business in the Empire, and were Orthodox as well as Greco-Christains. The Kutzo-Vlachs(Macedonians) were Christians. The Lazes, found in Trebizond and East were Muslims as well as Christians. The Kurds were in Erzerum, Sivas, Seert, Angora, and Mosul, all were Muslims. The Circassians, spread all over Asia Minor were Muslims. The Arabs, in the Empire, were in Adana, Aleppo, Syria, Baghdad, Sanjak of Jerusalem, Hejaz, Yemen, Beirut and Basra. All being Muslim Armenians, lived in Istanbul, as well in ,Vilayets, of Turkey, in Europe. Also in Sivas, Angora, Trebizond, Adana, Erzirum, Bittlis, Mosul, Van and Aleppo. All were Gregorian and Christian Catholics.
The Jews had spread in Europe courtesy the Empire, on whose destruction they were bent upon. They retained the jugular of business, in the Empire. a sect of Jews called the Samaritan, were confined to Napluze, a Vilayet of Beirut,(province).The Chaldeans or the Nestorians, who then spoke Syro-Chaldaic, and partly Arabic too, were in Baghdad, Mosul, Aleppo, Beirut, and Mamurat -ul-Aziz.
The Melchites, or the Syrian, were Greco-Catholics, who were Greeks, ethnically, spoke Arabic, but, were united Orthodox Christians, as went the classifications and lived all over Syria. The Jacobites/Syrians, who spoke Arabic, were all Monophysite, as well Jacobite Christians. The Monites, spoke Arabic, but in their churches ,it was Syro-Chaldaic. They were located around Mount Lebanon and Beirut. All were Monophysite, (Catholics). The Druse, and the Mendaties, or Ben-i-Yahya, too were located around Mount Lebanon and the Sanjak of Hauran & Basra. They were all Sabaeans. The main aim of these, other than Muslim races was to disrupt and destroy the Empire.
The first to go were the Janissaries. This will be explained later, as to why they were, axed.
Now , to have a brief insight in the administrative set up of the Empire, is also a must. Muhammad The Second, the Conqueror of Constantinople in 1453, had created a very free set up,with not much of red tape, as the term goes. He presided over all key matters, and led the army too .The administration was composed of Kazas or Cantons, under command of a Kazi. The Sanjaks, or departments, came under Alia Beys or Mir-i-Livas(Colonels and Brigadiers) with one horse-tail banners. The Vilayets were under, Bey- Ler Beys Pashas with two-horse tail banners. In war times all Bey-Ler-Beys served under the Grand-Vezier.
The title of Vezier was also held by six or seven persons, They all met under a Kubbe or a Dome,(Cupola) as the Hall of the Divan had a massive Cupola. The Veziers were also Pashas, with three-horse tail banners. Here it should also be kept in mind that prior to the reforms of 1839,the Empire was much larger and had more Christians,.The Arabs were cut off after the Arab revolt spearheaded by T. E. Lawrence, and the new party which now rules Arabia,(Saudi Arabia).
The Christians hated the Turk, because, he had taken over the capital of their Eastern Roman Empire.In 1529,he was at the gates of Vienna Austria, and Khair Ud Din called Barbarossa had made the Mediterranean Sea a Turkish Lake.
In 1683,the brilliant, Kara Mustapha, the Grand Vezier, with an army of 500,000 was again at Vienna. This time, he wanted the conquest of the whole of Germany, and create an Ottoman Province, from Rhine to Danube. The weak ruler, Muhammad the Fourth, could not bear the Grand Vezier. So, planned his destruction while Kara Mustapha led the army but in history such fickle minded weak rulers have always existed. Hence in the middle of the war, Kara Mustapha was executed at Belgrade, by the cowardly Sultans orders. Eventually, the Turkish Army deposed him, and brought forward, Sulaman The Second.
Now, the Jannissaries revolted. All these events were manipulated & led by a constant interference of the super powers, and the Christian population, as well the Jews, ended in the 1839 and 1856 Reforms. By 1821,the Greeks had revolted on the behest of the Russians. It was only the timely help of Mehmet Ali, the Pasha of Misr(Egypt),who saved the day by the Protocol of 4 April 1826,signed,at St. Petersburg, on the behest of British, vide this Treaty, Greece was to be governed by its own elected authorities and would have independent commercial relations. The further end on Turks by the superpowers came at battle of Navarino, on the 20th Oct.1827.With this came the axe on the Jannissaries and the end of the main fighting force of the Turks.
Poor leadership, always destroys, an organization which it is unable to control, and then dies its own death. A new leadership, controls the events, and leads the same nation, once declared dead by all, on a new path.
Ruining empires and nations, is and has been, the policy of various pivotal powers of the past, present and will be of the future, too. unless we awaken up to these facts of life, and counter the moves. The nations are always mislead by propagandists, working in various modes and using different means of implementing their ends. the unwary and unwitting gullible people are taken for the high jump, where the damage has already been done, as is, in our case; we must arise to these problems and re-adjust our thought process.
We study history, or political process, which is an ongoing event with a purpose. The point of all drawing room discussions is to exchange ideas and arrive at some mental conclusions. If a debate continues without an end, it is a waste of time, and effort. The purpose to my mind is, we should, analyze and try to stay away from something which has been proven a failed experiment, as was, and is, the case of secularism, in Turkey. Hence these articles, are meant, to give, a reader more insight into the course of events which led to the situation at hand in a brotherly country.
Our people fail to understand that, the political events are a chain of events ,which, a player had played in the past, and they affect our lives to in one form or the other, even now so, instead of remaining a pawn in the game. We too, should do something about it rather than be used by others.
The present policy, is the old Statesman policy being used on us, the power players in this case, subvert the loyalty of the victim nations population from its governments, which eventually travels down to the very foundations of the countrys military power. THIS is in reality the final objective, in the first place. A militarily weakened nation is then targeted, and destroyed by dismemberment or balkanization, to use a more current terminology.
But this term, remember originated from the nation that was the Osmanli Empire till the last century, the Headquarter of our Muslim Khilafat. The present case study, the scourge of the west had been its Jannissaries. A corrupted Turkish word, from the word, Yenni-Cheri or the new troops .The entire corps was commanded by the Agha of the Yennicheri, called Oj Ak(the hearth).
It was divided into Ortas or units, of varying numbers. The Oda or the room, was the name given to the barracks in which they were lodged. Sultan Sulaman The First, had organized them into 196 ortas, divided into three classes, Jemaat had 101,ortas;Beuluk,had 61,and,Sekban had 34 ortas. There were also additional 34 ortas of apprentices. In the peace times, the ortas were 100 men strong, in war times 500.
Secularism: Another face of Masonic Lodges? PART II | Farzana Shah
By Naveed Tajamal
The Secularist Movement was started by certain elements which were the real pressure groups, as well the intellectual class of the later Ottoman Empire, whose efforts, were the culmination and introduction of the idea of secularism in the new constitution of a new Turkey in 1924.These people, who were infused with this thought process, brought a disaster for the Muslims of Turkey. The purpose of highlighting Ottoman Turkey as a case study, though very briefly and practically in general outline, is to state that, just because the Turk leadership of that time had done a blunder due to pressure of the then superpowers, we need not think about it as an example to follow, for reasons, as will be explained.
These blunders have resulted in a chain reaction of events.
A study of which however brief is a must. The intellectual class which had spearheaded this move were ethnically and religiously not the actual Turks, as the term goes. I had earlier stated, that the composition of the Turkish Empire were fifty percent Muslims, as late as 1910.However,at the time of the start of the 1839 and 1856 so-called reforms ,tanzimats, the Muslim population was much less as in between this period and by 1910 the Empire had lost a lot of its area, courtesy, its weak sultans and the leadership factor .
The powers of that time were obsessed with breaking Turkey, as they are with us now, with the balakanistion map so eagerly being propagated for us, and its merits too.
Reverting back to the Empire, and its, population as it stood, at the start of 20th century ,the inhabited; Iannina, Scutari, Kossovo and Monastir. They were Muslims Orthodox, as Albanians, as well as Catholic Christians. The Bulgarians, inhabited, Salonica, Kossova as well Monastir. All were Orthodox Christians. Here it is pertinent to note that the Headquarter of The Committee of Union and Progress was based at Salonica, or Salonika. The Freemason Jews, lent a powerful support to the work of the Committee. The later leader of Turks, Mustapha Kamal, was a key figure of this organization.
I had stated earlier, the Empire had 300,000 Jews all over. Business and commerce was in their hands. The Greeks followed next.
What happened to Adan Meneders, and his hanging much later ,on 16 sept.1961,along with Fatin Rustu Zorlu and Hasan Polatkan, was an interconnected sequence, spread over decades of resistance against secularism. The Servians, were in Kossova and the Christians, the Greeks, were spread all over doing business in the Empire, and were Orthodox as well as Greco-Christains. The Kutzo-Vlachs(Macedonians) were Christians. The Lazes, found in Trebizond and East were Muslims as well as Christians. The Kurds were in Erzerum, Sivas, Seert, Angora, and Mosul, all were Muslims. The Circassians, spread all over Asia Minor were Muslims. The Arabs, in the Empire, were in Adana, Aleppo, Syria, Baghdad, Sanjak of Jerusalem, Hejaz, Yemen, Beirut and Basra. All being Muslim Armenians, lived in Istanbul, as well in ,Vilayets, of Turkey, in Europe. Also in Sivas, Angora, Trebizond, Adana, Erzirum, Bittlis, Mosul, Van and Aleppo. All were Gregorian and Christian Catholics.
The Jews had spread in Europe courtesy the Empire, on whose destruction they were bent upon. They retained the jugular of business, in the Empire. a sect of Jews called the Samaritan, were confined to Napluze, a Vilayet of Beirut,(province).The Chaldeans or the Nestorians, who then spoke Syro-Chaldaic, and partly Arabic too, were in Baghdad, Mosul, Aleppo, Beirut, and Mamurat -ul-Aziz.
The Melchites, or the Syrian, were Greco-Catholics, who were Greeks, ethnically, spoke Arabic, but, were united Orthodox Christians, as went the classifications and lived all over Syria. The Jacobites/Syrians, who spoke Arabic, were all Monophysite, as well Jacobite Christians. The Monites, spoke Arabic, but in their churches ,it was Syro-Chaldaic. They were located around Mount Lebanon and Beirut. All were Monophysite, (Catholics). The Druse, and the Mendaties, or Ben-i-Yahya, too were located around Mount Lebanon and the Sanjak of Hauran & Basra. They were all Sabaeans. The main aim of these, other than Muslim races was to disrupt and destroy the Empire.
The first to go were the Janissaries. This will be explained later, as to why they were, axed.
Now , to have a brief insight in the administrative set up of the Empire, is also a must. Muhammad The Second, the Conqueror of Constantinople in 1453, had created a very free set up,with not much of red tape, as the term goes. He presided over all key matters, and led the army too .The administration was composed of Kazas or Cantons, under command of a Kazi. The Sanjaks, or departments, came under Alia Beys or Mir-i-Livas(Colonels and Brigadiers) with one horse-tail banners. The Vilayets were under, Bey- Ler Beys Pashas with two-horse tail banners. In war times all Bey-Ler-Beys served under the Grand-Vezier.
The title of Vezier was also held by six or seven persons, They all met under a Kubbe or a Dome,(Cupola) as the Hall of the Divan had a massive Cupola. The Veziers were also Pashas, with three-horse tail banners. Here it should also be kept in mind that prior to the reforms of 1839,the Empire was much larger and had more Christians,.The Arabs were cut off after the Arab revolt spearheaded by T. E. Lawrence, and the new party which now rules Arabia,(Saudi Arabia).
The Christians hated the Turk, because, he had taken over the capital of their Eastern Roman Empire.In 1529,he was at the gates of Vienna Austria, and Khair Ud Din called Barbarossa had made the Mediterranean Sea a Turkish Lake.
In 1683,the brilliant, Kara Mustapha, the Grand Vezier, with an army of 500,000 was again at Vienna. This time, he wanted the conquest of the whole of Germany, and create an Ottoman Province, from Rhine to Danube. The weak ruler, Muhammad the Fourth, could not bear the Grand Vezier. So, planned his destruction while Kara Mustapha led the army but in history such fickle minded weak rulers have always existed. Hence in the middle of the war, Kara Mustapha was executed at Belgrade, by the cowardly Sultans orders. Eventually, the Turkish Army deposed him, and brought forward, Sulaman The Second.
Now, the Jannissaries revolted. All these events were manipulated & led by a constant interference of the super powers, and the Christian population, as well the Jews, ended in the 1839 and 1856 Reforms. By 1821,the Greeks had revolted on the behest of the Russians. It was only the timely help of Mehmet Ali, the Pasha of Misr(Egypt),who saved the day by the Protocol of 4 April 1826,signed,at St. Petersburg, on the behest of British, vide this Treaty, Greece was to be governed by its own elected authorities and would have independent commercial relations. The further end on Turks by the superpowers came at battle of Navarino, on the 20th Oct.1827.With this came the axe on the Jannissaries and the end of the main fighting force of the Turks.
Poor leadership, always destroys, an organization which it is unable to control, and then dies its own death. A new leadership, controls the events, and leads the same nation, once declared dead by all, on a new path.
Ruining empires and nations, is and has been, the policy of various pivotal powers of the past, present and will be of the future, too. unless we awaken up to these facts of life, and counter the moves. The nations are always mislead by propagandists, working in various modes and using different means of implementing their ends. the unwary and unwitting gullible people are taken for the high jump, where the damage has already been done, as is, in our case; we must arise to these problems and re-adjust our thought process.
We study history, or political process, which is an ongoing event with a purpose. The point of all drawing room discussions is to exchange ideas and arrive at some mental conclusions. If a debate continues without an end, it is a waste of time, and effort. The purpose to my mind is, we should, analyze and try to stay away from something which has been proven a failed experiment, as was, and is, the case of secularism, in Turkey. Hence these articles, are meant, to give, a reader more insight into the course of events which led to the situation at hand in a brotherly country.
Our people fail to understand that, the political events are a chain of events ,which, a player had played in the past, and they affect our lives to in one form or the other, even now so, instead of remaining a pawn in the game. We too, should do something about it rather than be used by others.
The present policy, is the old Statesman policy being used on us, the power players in this case, subvert the loyalty of the victim nations population from its governments, which eventually travels down to the very foundations of the countrys military power. THIS is in reality the final objective, in the first place. A militarily weakened nation is then targeted, and destroyed by dismemberment or balkanization, to use a more current terminology.
But this term, remember originated from the nation that was the Osmanli Empire till the last century, the Headquarter of our Muslim Khilafat. The present case study, the scourge of the west had been its Jannissaries. A corrupted Turkish word, from the word, Yenni-Cheri or the new troops .The entire corps was commanded by the Agha of the Yennicheri, called Oj Ak(the hearth).
It was divided into Ortas or units, of varying numbers. The Oda or the room, was the name given to the barracks in which they were lodged. Sultan Sulaman The First, had organized them into 196 ortas, divided into three classes, Jemaat had 101,ortas;Beuluk,had 61,and,Sekban had 34 ortas. There were also additional 34 ortas of apprentices. In the peace times, the ortas were 100 men strong, in war times 500.
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exactly BUT those people who do the things in bold are not Muslims, You know what i mean, yes you do...
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& non of them will accept that they actually unwillingly indulge in Mohammedanism
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because simply head line is crap & writer is expressing his insecurity with concept of secular country by amalgamated it with the already distorted & demonized concept of free masonry
He has a good family background struggling against Zia
doesn't proves anything
that time is near i won't be surprised if any one comes here & says that Jinnah was a leader but not a good muslim so lets forget him & implement the 'failure' in a different form again & again & blame it all on the freaking Zionists/Free Masons etc..
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So, the Christians and non-Muslims destroyed the Jannisaries as part of their grand plan.
Couldn't have had anything to do with the Jannisaries killing or deposing several sultans, becoming fat bloated pigs and businessmen who couldn't fight, demanding and extorting huge salaries and not wanting to change their fighting style. Of course not!
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So, the Christians and non-Muslims destroyed the Jannisaries as part of their grand plan.
Couldn't have had anything to do with the Jannisaries killing or deposing several sultans, becoming fat bloated pigs and businessmen who couldn't fight, demanding and extorting huge salaries and not wanting to change their fighting style. Of course not!
Dont jump to conclusion without reading the context and the connecting para
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Exactly, There have always been some tensions within the Turkish society regarding the the greater role of the religion in politics ever since Turkey wore the facade of secularism, and they greatly surfaced during 2007 elections when they contracted some harsh criticism from the secularists for presidential nominee Abdullah Gull for being a devoted Muslim, but were they able to restrict him from becoming a president.......The author here is simply giving Turkish history as well as reasons for secular tendency. I dont know why some masons are worked up here and getting sensitive just by reading the headline lolzz
Anyway a good read. Gives some history. And the author is Not a mullah neither he harbours any Islamic sentiments.
He has a good family background struggling against Zia
As for Freemasons of PDF they are bound to reject or nullify any comment or thread as a "conspiracy theory" just because that material doesn't comport with their beliefs.
but i i have felt that lately, this has become more of a trend on PDF that if you cant raise valid objections then just label those exasperating articles or comments as " Conspiracy theories"
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you can nullify the so called free masons as well, but you fail to do so what you have is only self righteousness & insecurity, plus you cannot nullify a successful system by comparing it with a failed system
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Dont jump to conclusion without reading the context and the connecting para
I read the whole thing. Did you read this part:
How did the Christians and Jews manipulate the destruction of the Jannisaries, except by fighting them? If anything the European powers did them a big favor -- any Imperial bodyguard which can replace and extort an emperor at will must be purged.
It is clear to any native English speaker that he is implying a conspiracy to destroy the Jannissaries forged by non-Muslims. Either it is a poor translation or the author is a moron.
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If you would bother to go through the Turkish History without letting your pre-conceived notions take the best of your judgment than you might be able to grasp my point, but i guess, it's too much to ask of you.
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Exactly, There have always been some tensions within the Turkish society regarding the the greater role of the religion in politics ever since Turkey wore the facade of secularism, and they greatly surfaced during 2007 elections when they contracted some harsh criticism from the secularists for presidential nominee Abdullah Gull for being a devoted Muslim, but were they able to restrict him from becoming a president.......
As for Freemasons of PDF they are bound to reject or nullify any comment or thread as a "conspiracy theory" just because that material doesn't comport with their beliefs.
Thats ok everyone has own opinion.
The only problem is they think if anyone doesnt agree with them then everyone is wrong and these burgers are always right lolzz
anyway do read the piece its good for some history points irrespective of masons shashons and whatever
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If you carefully read there are some statistics about population of different faiths.
Anyway he also talked about failed leadership
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Very Very impressive quotes - thanks
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There is a serious problem with this kind of logic -- you can say there are x Christians or x Jews but simply being a lot of Jews or Christians doesn't mean anything. In fact it means nothing.
There is a problem with the leadership claim too. The Janisaries were destroyed not because the sultans or leaders used them poorly, but because of their own greed. Namely, becoming politicians more than soldiers to the point they could kill any sultan they didn't like. The only thing a leader can do then is to purge, and purge hard. That is not a failure in leadership but strength and the correct action.
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