Secular West Bengal on fire again

[ni8mare]

arre mian, those jobniks should be blaming their parents who had at least 30 years to either create a socialist welfare state ( in which money doesn't decide everything ) or abolish money system internally and under socialist guidance... at least 30 years and they failed.

when money is really a anti-natural and obsolete concept, how can someone make a virtue out of earning it ( only because of india's capitalist system ) instead of spending time in talking and doing progressive politics??

I stand by my comment ...........somebody has to do jobs everybody cannot become entrepreneur

when a dalit student/intellectual in karnataka

Please keep your crocodile yourself............because some questions the absurd logic in hinduism does not mean he/she is support your kind.........it's kind of ironic that that your heart bleed for us

don't lie.

Nobody is lying here i am too a dalit with sarkar as title.......whose ancestor were made to leave bangladesh due to islamic fascism .....again your kind do not see who is dalit or brahmin they just slaughter as like because we are all considered as hindu

 

[H.B.]

Nah, BJP will be restricted to 10-12% vote share max, 15% would be beyond expectation! The opposition voters (other than the committed voters) generally vote for the party that can defeat the incumbent party, and BJP is not perceived to be that party, they have squandered the opportunity.

CPM has 25% committed voters, Congress has 6-8%, an alliance will pull some more floating votes nd some BJP votes...only this can beat TMC.

Well from my understanding CPM/ Cong have no credible CM face. Will that hamper this to be alliance?

Plus Cong/CPM alliance depressingly offers no new direction.

The only change will be that local thugs will transfer from local clubs to party offices.

 

[Paranoid Android]

I stand by my comment ...........somebody has to do jobs everybody cannot become entrepreneur


Please keep your crocodile yourself............because some questions the absurd logic in hinduism does not mean he/she is support your kind.........it's kind of ironic that that your heart bleed for us


Nobody is lying here i am too a dalit with sarkar as title.......whose ancestor were made to leave bangladesh due to islamic fascism .....again your kind do not see who is dalit or brahmin they just slaughter as like because we are all considered as hindu

I hate when these guys drips crocodile's tears..Shameless people

 

[ni8mare]

You on he other hand are all talks and no show like your janu pm who is giving yoga lessons when soldires are dying.

and you think casualty wouldnt happened ?.........there were indeed holes in operation ...even after 26/11 why they are not equated properly.........they are using human as bomb disposal .....where an ugv like daksh could have been used

I hate when these guys drips crocodile's tears..Shameless people

Actually it's a strategy.......shredding crocodile tears thinking that we will join them aka islamic cause or anti-hindu cause
but those things never happens ...........

bangladesh from where my family was uprooted ....they consider us hindu and they will uproot anything that is un-islamic
even they do the same with their own kind when job is finished ..like in pakistan what is now happening to shia guys

 

[LaBong]

and you think casualty wouldnt happened ?.........there were indeed holes in operation ...even after 26/11 why they are not equated properly.........they are using human as bomb disposal .....where an ugv like daksh could have been used

It's not about causality alone which by the way shouldn't be this high considering they had pin point intelligence 20 hours in advance. It's just that home ministry and NSA look clueless and either suppressing informations or have no idea what's going on.

 

[dray]

Seriously?

Substantial number of Bihari Muslims got refuge in.... India??? That is .....

Yes! They were the razakars and/or the Bihari Muslim population of East Pakistani who took refuge in India to save themselves from the Mukti Bahini onslaught after the surrender of West Pakistan. These are the most communal types in Bengal, the Bengali Muslims are not as such. However, even the Bengali Muslims are increasingly becoming radicalized now with the increase of unaffiliated khariji madrasas and radical influence from across the border. Buddhadeb Bhattacharya once spoke about it, and got thrashed by his own party.

Another concern is people will once again become communal like they were before and we will have bloodbath like ever before.

People are naturally communal, I mean almost all mammals including human beings are territorial in nature, communalism, sectarianism, racism, etc. are forms of that same basic instinct. Secularism is a gift of the civilization, as people became more civilized and standard social norms were formed, people learned to accommodate 'others' within the society, that's basically secularism when applied against religious sectarianism. As secularism is against the basic instincts of the human beings, just like monogamy, the fundamentals of the secularism must be practiced without any partiality, bias or prejudice to protect and uphold the idea of secularism.

I consider that the selective silence of the 'intellectuals' and the distorted version of it practiced by the political class is destroying the idea of secularism, which is more dangerous than radicalism itself, because those who are supposed to uphold the principals of secularism will be more potent than the radicals to destroy it from within.

I also consider that the birth and rise of the right wing in India is the fallout of the failure of our (leftist)intellectuals and politicians to uphold secularism in its desired form. Maybe I should tag @Joe Shearer @scorpionx and @nair here.

 

[Paranoid Android]

and you think casualty wouldnt happened ?.........there were indeed holes in operation ...even after 26/11 why they are not equated properly.........they are using human as bomb disposal .....where an ugv like daksh could have been used

Actually it's a strategy.......shredding crocodile tears thinking that we will join them aka islamic cause or anti-hindu cause
but those things never happens ...........

bangladesh from where my family was uprooted ....they consider us hindu and they will uproot anything that is un-islamic
even they do the same with their own kind when job is finished ..like in pakistan what is now happening to shia guys

I can get their motive.I can see in every comment section they do raeta involving us unnecessarily & try to be our mouthpiece whenever Islam or Muslim related issues are brought up.It's best way of covering up.I can feel your pain..I have also few Banglaeshi relatives with same story resemblance..

 

[LaBong]

People are naturally communal, I mean almost all mammals including human beings are territorial in nature, communalism, sectarianism, racism, etc. are forms of that same basic instinct. Secularism is a gift of the civilization, as people became more civilized and standard social norms were formed, people learned to accommodate 'others' within the society, that's basically secularism. As secularism is against the basic instincts of the human beings, just like monogamy, the fundamentals of the secularism must be practiced without any partiality, bias or prejudice to protect and uphold the idea of secularism.

One can't be without bias or prejudice, bias, prejudice and opinion make a man a man. Also individuals can't be secular, they can be atheist/agnostic but not secular. Secularism only applies to the state wherein the state treats all it's citizens equally and clearly separates the church from the state.

Indian kingdoms have never had problem with the church until the advent of Buddhism because Hinduism is not cohesive and too democratic to be a political power.

The problem with RSS is that they have modelled themselves in the similar fashion to semetic religious organisation like jamat and strive to be a semi-state organisation which will pull the strings from behind, there is no clear separation of church and state here.

 

[itsanufy]

Congress minus gandhis.

Hate railo pencil

 

[ni8mare]

It's not about causality alone which by the way shouldn't be this high considering they had pin point intelligence 20 hours in advance. It's just that home ministry and NSA look clueless and either suppressing informations or have no idea what's going on.

let's say casualty is too high whose fault is that ?? training equipment logistic planning this all are done by forces not NSA or HM

I can get their motive.I can see in every comment section they do raeta involving us unnecessarily & try to be our mouthpiece whenever Islam or Muslim related issues are brought up.It's best way of covering up.I can feel your pain..I have also few Banglaeshi relatives with same story resemblance..

Yes easier to throw under the carpet..........but then these muslims pdfs use caste as weapon to bash when required if you have observed

These are the most communal types in Bengal, the Bengali Muslims are not as such.

whereas .....hindu bihari is actually resistive than bengali [now ]

People are naturally communal, I mean almost all mammals including human beings are territorial in nature, communalism, sectarianism, racism, etc. are forms of that same basic instinct. Secularism is a gift of the civilization, as people became more civilized and standard social norms were formed, people learned to accommodate 'others' within the society, that's basically secularism when applied against religious sectarianism. As secularism is against the basic instincts of the human beings, just like monogamy, the fundamentals of the secularism must be practiced without any partiality, bias or prejudice to protect and uphold the idea of secularism.

I consider that the selective silence of the 'intellectuals' and the distorted version of it practiced by the political class is destroying the idea of secularism, which is more dangerous than radicalism itself, because those who are supposed to uphold the principals of secularism will be more potent than the radicals to destroy it from within.

I also consider that the birth and rise of the right wing in India is the fallout of the failure of our (leftist)intellectuals and politicians to uphold secularism in its desired form. Maybe I should tag @Joe Shearer @scorpionx and @nair here.

One can't be without bias or prejudice, bias, prejudice and opinion make a man a man. Also individuals can't be secular, they can't be atheist/agnostic but not secular. Secularism only applies to the state wherein the state treats all it's citizens equally and clearly separates the church from the state.

The problem with RSS is that they have modelled themselves from semetic religious organisation like jamat and strive to be a semi-state organisation which will pull the strings from behind, there is no clear separation of church and state here

Beautifully written

 

[dray]

One can't be without bias or prejudice, bias, prejudice and opinion make a man a man. Also individuals can't be secular, they can be atheist/agnostic but not secular. Secularism only applies to the state wherein the state treats all it's citizens equally and clearly separates the church from the state.

Indian kingdoms have never had problem with the church until the advent of Buddhism because Hinduism is not cohesive and too democratic to be a political power.

The problem with RSS is that they have modelled themselves in the similar fashion to semetic religious organisation like jamat and strive to be a semi-state organisation which will pull the strings from behind, there is no clear separation of church and state here.

Complete separation of the church from the state never really happened in India, was Gandhiji truly secular by definition? Was the Khilafat movement that Gandhiji supported was secular in nature? Gandhiji had little control over the Muslims, so he expected Hindus to uphold his version of secularism. I have added another line in my previous post on the birth and rise of the right wing in India, please check.

RSS is not known to be a secular organization, neither BJP is considered to be a secular party, but their so called 'secular' opponents also play the communal cards to gain votes...which in turn has helped in the rise of BJP. What Mamata is doing in Bengal will also help the BJP in the long run, it's just that the local BJP leadership is too incompetent to use these opportunities. Just look at the Congress government under Siddaramaiah in Karnataka, most state governments under the non-secular BJP would be far more secular than that! Secularism cease to be a differential factor when both sides indulge in violating it.

Well from my understanding CPM/ Cong have no credible CM face. Will that hamper this to be alliance?

Plus Cong/CPM alliance depressingly offers no new direction.

The only change will be that local thugs will transfer from local clubs to party offices.

I think Buddhadeb Bhattacharya is still a very credible figure for the CM post, and Mamata still has a large popular following. Bengal Congress is just a pimp which can consolidate its single-digit votebank to one of the larger parties, TMC or CPM. Bengal BJP doesn't have any credible CM candidate, Rupa Ganguly is the only one from that party who showed some spine recently, but she is too new in politics to be considered for the CM job, neither BJP has any chance going alone.

 

[dadeechi]

Kamlesh Tiwari should surrender to the Islamic groups to face the justice. He made an idiotic statement and need to face the consequences rather than putting rest of the Hindu population at risk.

 

[ranjeet]

Kamlesh Tiwari should surrender to the Islamic groups to face the justice. He made an idiotic statement and need to face the consequences rather than putting rest of the Hindu population at risk.

You serious?

 

[dadeechi]

You serious?

Yes. I do not think 80 crore Hindus should be put at risk to protect one Hindu.

 

[ranjeet]

Yes. I do not think 80 crore Hindus should be put at risk to protect one Hindu.

great, bismillah kare