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Secular India: A deception

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The debate whether India is tolerant can be pushed deep owing to its complexity. On paper India scores well on the secular graph. The communal politics and the different shades of un-cooperative federalism cost the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) Bihar elections after putting the recency factor against themselves. Though the communal disharmony bangs horribly with Narendra Modi at top, it is to be made clear that Indian constitution itself is secularly bankrupt indeed on ground.

Getting to the base, let’s move to the definition of “Secular” as envisaged in the constitution. Article 25-28 defines “Secular Sate” as the state which observes an attitude of neutrality and impartiality towards all religions. It directs us on the matters of man-man relations, not man-God relations. But, the contemporary situation in India is way away from this definition.

Simple observations can be, when a Muslim Vice President has to bow down like Hindus on Rajghat or a person of the same community is refrained from aspiring the candidature of prime ministership, are some points enough to prove my observation. India has not yet seen a Muslim as head executive since independence. Is India still a secular?

Constitution of India has allowed us to profess and practice our religious obligations and practices. However, the ultimate essence doesn’t lay there. We are to practice our religion and at the same time watch out if we are hurting the religious sentiments of people of other community. If I am eating beef at my home or trafficking it to parts far off mysteriously without informing the people who don’t eat or traffic it, why is it they watch me privately eating what my religion has allowed me to do so and haunt me. Isn’t the constitution turning ambiguous here? That is not secular anyway.

Although the constitution pledges for equal opportunities in employment, the morsel of unequal treatment of Muslims and Sikhs in special cadres doesn’t get down the throat. There are so many un-discernible disparities in the way people of different communities are treated. Frankly speaking, Hindus are preferred for higher and elite posts. Muslims aren’t allowed to grow the beard in secular Indian army but Sikhs can. Muslims have to change to vegetarian style in the army mess as the plausibility of getting halal is meager. Historically speaking, when India became independent in 1947, Kashmiri Dogra military personnel who were predominantly Hindus were absorbed in the Indian National Army and those of Hyderabad who were predominantly Muslims were sacked. This trust-deficit set the roots of communalism in India.

The intelligence agencies of India will not even think of recruiting a Muslim. Since its establishment in 1969, Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW or RAW) has not seen any Muslim officer during the four and a half decade of its history. When the then prime minister of India Dr Manmohan Singh called for a meeting to increase the role of minorities in agencies like RAW and Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), he was terrified of the repercussions of tinkering with the policy. Is India still a secular?

The secular state necessities that there be no intervention of government in religion and vice-versa. But when Modi became Prime Minister, Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) supremo Mohan Bhagwat started forcing his ideology on the government. Doordarshan and All India Radio were open to him to propagate Hindutva ideology. In a secular country like India, is it fair to make a leader of any religious outfit to speak on the national television? Well, it could make some sense if the other day the leader of Jamaat-e-Islami speaks, followed by a Christian and a Sikh religious heads. India allows only a Hindu religious leader to spread his philosophy because it is secular.

Secularism has indirect manifestations as well. If anyone is trying to blot the secular fabric, the government needs to take the action. The following silence would mean the approval of a non-secular act. A Pramukh Pracharak of RSS says secularism is irrelevant to India, thereby contradicting the very preamble of the constitution but the secular India doesn’t make a hullaballoo only because this intellectually starved man is a Hindu and a representative of RSS. Still India is secular.

The Muslims in India, despite their extreme loyalty, have to prove it hard again and again. Sania Mirza had to weep her loyalty out and Shahrukh Khan had to scream to show to secular India that he is a patriotic Indian. When the writers protest against the shaky secularism, it is sided away calling it a political conspiracy against BJP. Had it been so, they would’ve done it way back during the Vajpayee regime.

The tilt of Indian philosophy and governance is towards Hinduism. Not surprisingly, the national anthem, national song and national everything has some element or the other praising Hinduism. We do every official work in English but our national language is Hindi to satiate the collective conscience of the majority. I am in no way against any religion. Neither I am professing Islam or any other non-Hindu religion but the unequal treatment of Hindus and non-Hindus in a secular state is a matter of discomfort.

It is about time we draw the boundaries between the religion and state. Making the state an authority to decide on the common public interests and keeping the religion to individual and community interests is the key to communal harmony. A uniform civil code supplemented with a narrow personal law code can do wonders unless the latter is made a bit flexible not compromising the essence of the concerned religion.


Secular India: A deception - Rising Kashmir
 
India is a Hindu country, the majority of its population is Hindu, there are many segments of its society that are intolerant of other religions and minorities, there is a deep inter-Hindu divide based on caste ...
but ...
The laws and constitution are separated from religion and ethnic background, which is why India is considered a secular country.

On the global stage this is what matters.

That aside, India's Muslim population shouldn't have to prove it's loyalty to anyone.
 
India is Hindu Nation , This will get minorities angry as long as they are in the illusion that they are minorities and belong to different religion .

A Hindu is an Atheist , A Hindu believes in Jesus , A Hindu believes in Allah , A Hindu believes in Krishna , A Hindu believes in Rivers and Mountains etc .

So What basically constitutes Hindu ?

A Hindu is native to the land called South Asia , He is a Seeker of Truth .He is a Believer .
A Hindu is a Human born out from countless era's of Time .
 
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India is Hindu Nation , This will get minorities angry as long as they are in the illusion that they are minorities and belong to different religion .

A Hindu is an Atheist , A Hindu believes in Jesus , A Hindu believes in Allah , A Hindu believes in Krishna , A Hindu believes in Rivers and Mountains etc .

So What basically constitutes Hindu ?

A Hindu is native to the land called South Asia , He is a Seeker of Truth .He is a Believer .
A Hindu is a Human born out from countless era's of Time .

What?
 
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Sindh - Hindh
Sindhu - Hindhu - Hindu
Sind - Al Hind - Hind
 
That still doesn't answer how a Hindu can be an atheist. Atheism is devoid of any Creator, where does that leave Brahma?

As a student of Indian Philosophy , I can very much understand that doubt .

That is why Hindu has nothing to do with religion and Rituals .
Atheism is allowed in Hindu Faith .
Brahma is creator God but holds very less importance in Hindu Faiths .

Atheism in Hinduism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I don't understand why Pakistani members are so keen on establishing that India's secular credentials are dubious. Pakistan has rejected secularism. If they truly believe that India is NOT secular, then according to them that is GOOD. So why are they so desperate to paint India in a good light?
 
all of the points in the article is true unfortunately... but its a work in progress...
compared to established secular democracies like UK, USA, germany, we are not doing that bad.
 
That still doesn't answer how a Hindu can be an atheist. Atheism is devoid of any Creator, where does that leave Brahma?

Hinduism has multiple schools, many of which do not have creator god. In fact the most influential school of Hinduism, Advaita, does not believe that the Universe was created but was caused as a self-induced hallucination of the Primordial Consciousness that we call Brahman (not Brahma). Brahma is part of Puranic Hinduism which is mostly for the laymen kind. So, according to you all Upanishads are atheistic. No problem for me, given Vedas themselves are agnostic and 5 out of 6 schools of Hinduism are more atheistic/agnostic.

And by the way, to answer your original question, there is also an accepted school of Hinduism called Charvaka which is explicitly atheist.
 
Muslim Vice President has to bow down like Hindus
When president APJ Abdul Kalam died, all the indian leaders went to the funeral, even Modi and paid their respects. Both hindus and muslims respect each others cultures in india, and it is not an insult or degrading to bow before someone, it is way of paying respects.

he intelligence agencies of India will not even think of recruiting a Muslim. Since its establishment in 1969, Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW or RAW) has not seen any Muslim officer during the four and a half decade of its history. When the then prime minister of India Dr Manmohan Singh called for a meeting to increase the role of minorities in agencies like RAW and Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI), he was terrified of the repercussions of tinkering with the policy. Is India still a secular?
Our previous IB chief was Syed Asif Ibrahim, and contrary to expectations, Modi retained him as IB chief after he took over.

for us indians, religion does not matter. Everyone is equal, but should be an indian. I am personally against those people who claim the invaders as their heroes. An muslim can follow indian culture for eg Bharat ratna bismillah khan, APJ Abdul Kalam, those are heroes not aurangzeb, ghauris or other marauders.

Do you know even before the masjid on mecca was built, a mosque was built in kerala on land donated by a hindu king and the mosque is named after him, Cheraman jama masjid. hindus participate in the religious activities till date. That is the true fabric of india. This is a secular india, that is how it has always been and it always will be
 
Typical Kashmiri,typical Islamist,typical victim playing.

Simple observations can be, when a Muslim Vice President has to bow down like Hindus on Rajghat or a person of the same community is refrained from aspiring the candidature of prime ministership

Bowing down before Rajghat,a sign of showing respect is a part of culture,not religion.The part in bold is absolute BS.

If I am eating beef at my home or trafficking it to parts far off mysteriously without informing the people who don’t eat or traffic it, why is it they watch me privately eating what my religion has allowed me to do so and haunt me. Isn’t the constitution turning ambiguous here? That is not secular anyway.

Utter Non sense.

Muslims have to change to vegetarian style in the army mess as the plausibility of getting halal is meager

So this guy want to impose Sharia & Halal over a secular army ?Likewise Islamists in the US are now campaigning to ban pork & from schools & prisons.

Since its establishment in 1969, Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW or RAW) has not seen any Muslim officer during the four and a half decade of its history.

Incidentally,it had a Christian chief

but our national language is Hindi

.Wrong.
 

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