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Secret Memo of Zardari to Adm. Mike Mullen

You mean after Haqqani deleted all the messages between him and Ijaz?

I wonder whether RIM would be willing to provide records of the SMS's from Haqqanis account to Pakistani investigators.

things NEVER get deleted. . . all messages -- whether its on gmail or bbm or even a file on your hard-drive --there always will be a way to recover it even after "deletion"
 
really???

what does Army have to do with NRO; it was agreed upon under a civilian govt.
 
I believe in Ijaz, he was convincing in his interview.
 
Oh, I think I was not precise enough with my words.

What I mean is that the S wing is financed by the ISI, because it is an integral branch of the ISI, and it exists only for the purposes of the ISI.

But there will not be any records of the transactions, or recruits, or any thing that can be traced back to the ISI. In fact there have been allegations that the C wing is responsible for procuring the finances, and then laundering a great chunk into the cash disbursed among the civilian recruits of the S wing.

And that the activities are planned by the organization (ISI) but carried out by the S wing's civilian recruits that forge and follow their own plans.

Say, for example, a group G is made up of civilian fighters who vow their loyalty to the ISI.

Sr. Officer S wants a the house H to be raided, but the raid shall not be traced back to the organization.

Sr. Officer S calls on Retd. Officer R, and orders that the house H be raided by midnight, with no trackbacks.

R goes to meet the group G, gives cash to buy stuff, hands over the ammunition, gives (orally) the address of H, and leaves.

Midnight comes, H is raided.

Some of the raiders from group G are caught.

Tortured or whatever, they reveal the name of R. R pleads not guilty because there is no proof. However, at the same time, S denies any relation to R calling him an independent enthusiast.

In the end, it is decided that G was run by R to malign the name of the ISI.

It is just a hypothetical scenario to give a faint idea of how plausible deniability can be maintained while carrying out all the operations.

damn, is that a plot of the new Mission Impossible movie? S wing, G wing, R wing, only thing left here is chicken wings and buffalo wings.
 
DG ISI has forensically tested Memo evidence: Mansoor Ijaz

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Ijaz says that evidence against Haqqani was forensically tested by DG ISI Shuja Pasha.

US businessman of Pakistani origin Mansoor Ijaz on Sunday said that Director General Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) Shuja Pasha had forensically tested the evidence connected to the controversial memo, and deemed it legitimate on his London visit.

Speaking exclusively in Express News’ show Baat-se-Baat, Ijaz claimed to have met General Pasha in London and provided him the evidence regarding the alleged secret controversial memo by Haqqani, including phone (BlackBerry messenger) records. He said it was irrefutable evidence since it was in his phone and forensically tested by General Pasha.

Ijaz also ruled out reports that there was some understanding between President Asif Ali Zardari and Ambassador Husain Haqqani regarding the memo, saying the President had no knowledge of any such document.

He claimed that Zardari might have spoken to Haqqani after the May raid about the pressure on him, hence asking the latter to help him out in this regard, leaving the mechanics on how Haqqani went about it to the US ambassador.

Ijaz hit out at Haqqani on challenging the authenticity of the memo and ruled out any missing links in the memo-authenticity chain. He said that he was an ‘ultra wealthy’ individual who handles his own investments and would sue anyone for slandering against him using the best of lawyers from London, New York and Switzerland.

Earlier Ijaz had claimed in an article published in the Financial Times that he had, on President Zardari’s instructions and with the help of a top diplomat, drafted and delivered a memo to Admiral Mullen calling for his help in supporting President Zardari in case of a military coup.

The full interview will air on both Express News and Express 24/7 at 7pm tomorrow.


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Only Haqqani can clear mystery regarding memo: Ahmed Mukhtar


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Mukhtar said that if Haqqani is involved in the scandal, then the prime minister will also be held accountable.

LAHORE: Defence Minister Chaudhry Ahmad Mukhtar on Sunday called Mansoor Ijaz a conspirator and said that only Ambassador Husain Haqqani can clear the mystery regarding the memo controversy.

Addressing a press conference in Lahore, Mukhtar said it will take some time to determine who drafted the secret memo allegedly delivered to former US military chief Adm Mike Mullen.

Mukhtar also said that if Haqqani is involved in the scandal, then the prime minister will also be held accountable. He added, however, that the prime minister cannot dismiss Haqqani from office without asking for an explanation.

He also said that action will surely be taken if Haqqani does not come clean, however, nothing can be said before he explains his position.

Mukhtar also vowed that all details will be brought before the public, as soon as details unfurl.

In the wake of the leaked memo controversy, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani on Friday told members of the National Assembly that Pakistan’s Ambassador to the US Husain Haqqani has been summoned to Islamabad to provide an explanation to the country’s leadership.

A memo was published online by foreign news papers, which alleged fears of a military coup in Pakistan and the army’s complicity in the Osama bin Laden raid. The memo was allegedly delivered to US Adm Mike Mullen by a Pakistani American businessman Mansoor Ijaz at the behest of Ambassador Haqqani in the week after the Bin Laden raid.

Haqqani, who has served as Pakistan’s representative to the US since 2008, denied that he had either drafted or delivered any memo. Referring to Mansoor Ijaz indirectly, the Ambassador said, “There are many businessmen in this world who claim to have a role in a country’s affairs, but they are not given importance. In Pakistan, however, one man’s claims create a crisis.”

Mullen on Thursday dropped a bombshell when he issued a statement confirming the existence of the document.

Mukhtar is very support on Haqqani even defend him all along, he must be enemy.
Mr. Mukhtar is trying to involve PM here with Haqqani , whereas PM can't be considered responsible for any personal evil act done by the Haqqani. Looks like Mukhtar might be involved in this matter to watch Haqqanis back....Trying to blackmail PM and the rest of the govt....:smokin:
 
I believe in Ijaz, he was convincing in his interview.
He also cleared the position of the Zardari and Haqqani that they were embarrased so they needed some way out .Means nobody is under trouble....this whole drama is played by both together and still they both keeping each others back just trying to blame the Army.....looks like a very smart hatch by both the players....:smokin:
 
James Jones delivers Ijaz memo to Mullen

So at last the last missing link has been found and its none other than for US National security adviser Mr. James L. Jones.

James Jones delivers Ijaz memo to Mullen - GEO.tv

I just do not believe that all this is happening and being revealed without approval from US establishment.

Maleeha Lodhi former Pakistani ambassador to US said in 1990s that Mansoor Ijaz works for Israeli Lobi. It was when Mansoor Ijaz tried to create confusions among Army and govt. of Benazir Bhutto. Moreover, I saw an interview of former Army chief of Pakistan Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg and he said, "US is not happy with Zardari for his efforts to establish good relationship with Russia and China". Well we just do not know what the "rock" is cooking....
 
James Jones delivers Ijaz memo to Mullen

So at last the last missing link has been found and its none other than for US National security adviser Mr. James L. Jones.

James Jones delivers Ijaz memo to Mullen - GEO.tv

I just do not believe that all this is happening and being revealed without approval from US establishment.

Maleeha Lodhi former Pakistani ambassador to US said in 1990s that Mansoor Ijaz works for Israeli Lobi. It was when Mansoor Ijaz tried to create confusions among Army and govt. of Benazir Bhutto. Moreover, I saw an interview of former Army chief of Pakistan Gen. Mirza Aslam Beg and he said, "US is not happy with Zardari for his efforts to establish good relationship with Russia and China". Well we just do not know what the "rock" is cooking....
Oh ! so thats the case... The US can't see Zardari and his govt to be working fine building good relationship with Russia and China....:smokin:
 
What if a person/s in the whole story is playing a double role like a double agent?
 
Oh ! so thats the case... The US can't see Zardari and his govt to be working fine building good relationship with Russia and China....:smokin:

Thats what Gen. Aslam Beg said, I dont claim to know an inside story :)
 
damn, is that a plot of the new Mission Impossible movie? S wing, G wing, R wing, only thing left here is chicken wings and buffalo wings.

Seek out the one who introduced the term "wings" in here, you are missing the target - by a long margin :D

On a serious note, if you do so strongly feel that no such thing exists as Section S of the ISI which extensively maintains relations with the Taliban and Haqqani Network, then you must be the biggest believer of Zardari and Haqqani that the memo was not sent by them.

Apparently... Former NSA James Jones says he delivered Ijaz memo to Mullen

Sach aur jhooth ke faisle me itni zaldbaazi na kijiye... ye to sirf ibteda hai
 
I believe that's the drama desgined by mansoor ijaz & CIA to destablize the on going partnership of government & army.No offense plz because yet I dont have any prove or link,that's just thought of mine & president camacho!!
let the things to come out man.
 
LONDON: US businessman Mansoor Ijaz who broke all hell in the world media by releasing the evidence of his secret Memo to Admiral Mike Mullen said on Friday Mullen insisted on having the ambassador's offers put in writing because the US government had been repeatedly deceived by Pakistan's verbal offers of action in the recent past.

"He also insisted that I obtain the ambassador's assurance that President Zardari had approved the offers contained in the memorandum. I did exactly those two things," he told The News.

Speaking after Admiral Mullen confirmed the Memo, Mansoor said at 09:06:16 hours, "I spoke to Amb Haqqani at his London hotel (Park Lane Intercontinental Room 430) in a call lasting 11:16 minutes".

"During this call, he confirmed that the final text of the Memorandum was okay and that he had "the boss' approval" that the memorandum could be sent to Admiral Mullen. The boss was an obvious reference to President Zardari," Mansoor insisted.

He also revealed that at 08:45:43 on Tuesday, May 10, 2011, the final draft of the memorandum was sent to the ambassador's private e-mail address. "At 08:47, I sent him a BBM reminder to have a look, and that we needed to have a short call for him to verbally confirm everything was GO. The memorandum's contents had been drawn from calls with the ambassador and instructions given by him to me in drafting it. The content of the memo entirely originated from the ambassador (and perhaps those instructing him elsewhere). At 14:51:33 (about 9 am in Washington DC), I called my US interlocutor and informed him we were GO and that the memorandum could be delivered. At 1400 hrs on Tuesday, May 10, 2011, Admiral Mullen received the memorandum from my US interlocutor".

The full transcript of his exchanges with HH are also now available to The News. These were: [Note: HH = Husain Haqqani, MI = Mansoor Ijaz, MM = Mike Mullen, JK = Jehangir Karamat, MD = Mahmud Durrani, AZ = Asif Zardari]

05/09/2011 12:31 HH: Are you in London? I am here just for 36 hours. Can we meet for after dinner coffee or s'thing?

05/09/2011 12:32 MI: I'm in Monaco but it's no problem for me to fly up. Takes 90 minutes. What time did you have in mind? Where do you want to meet?

05/09/2011 12:35 HH: Pls call me. I'm at the Park Lane Intercon +442071060900 room 430

05/09/2011 12:35 HH: Waiting for ur call now 05/09/2011 13:37 MI: Could access to the 3 stooges who widow the man be arranged as part of the bigger picture?

05/09/2011 13:39 HH: I am sure that can be arranged upon formal demand

05/09/2011 13:40 MI: That is critical to breaking apart the system outside - and understanding what was going on inside. Would we get candor and truth or some brainwashed jargon?

05/09/2011 13:40 MI: The calls to Isphani's people have been made. Very very receptive reaction so far

05/09/2011 13:44 HH: If my friend and I feel sufficiently empowered in relation to the bad boys, I will ensure we get candor

05/09/2011 13:45 MI: Got it. Let me see if we can't get you a sledge hammer with a golden handle

05/09/2011 13:47 HH: Would be nice

05/09/2011 13:47 MI: I'm sending you a PIN message that others cannot see. Please respond. Thanks

05/09/2011 13:48 HH: Okay. Thx

05/09/2011 13:54 MI: Message by PIN sent

05/09/2011 13:56 HH: Okay

05/09/2011 14:22 MI: Message has been delivered to Isphani. Reception positive but I need you to agree to do something. Can I call you?

05/09/2011 15:02 MI: Please PING when you can talk and on what number. Time sensitive

05/09/2011 15:05 HH: Entering No 10. Can speak on cell after an hour

05/09/2011 15:05 MI: Okay. I'll wait for your PING

05/09/2011 16:09 HH: PING!!!

05/09/2011 16:09 HH: PING!!!

05/09/2011 16:09 HH: Pls call on cell now +16179532835

05/09/2011 16:10 HH: PING!!!

05/09/2011 16:19 MI: Sorry. Was stuck on call to DC. Pls ping again when ready

05/09/2011 18:26 HH: PING!!!

05/09/2011 18:27 MI: Tried you. Phone says unavailable

05/09/2011 18:38 MI: The message I sent is what MM will see. It will be given directly to him and no one else.

05/09/2011 18:59 MI: My friend in DC simply said too many people have been burned in the past two years on the US side and he wanted to insure that on such a sensitive subject, the data and proposal are clear. This is you to me, me to him. He trusts me enough to know I won't bring it forward unless it has top level approval. He does not need it with any email addresses etc. He will scrub that in any event. If you want names to be mentioned, yours, JK, MD, etc, I will do that in person. So get whatever message you want delivered back to me and I'll insure it gets in MM's hands. Best. M

05/09/2011 19:02 MI: By the way, the interesting thing is that they consider AZ's approval of the message worth more than anyone else in country right now. How do you like that?

05/09/2011 20:43 MI: I have additional information you need to hear. Ping when I can call you please

05/09/2011 21:10 MI: Would it be safe to say that you don't want to run this up your flagpole because you need to work this deal from the middle out? Tell me if that's the case and I'll use a different approach that does not require something in writing. What would then be helpful is if I could simply have a BBM saying my talking points are correct, or not, and then you set your table, I'll set my table and make sure you are an honored guest at my table when the party begins. If you're good with that, I just need your okay on the talking points. No need to run it up the az-pole, if you get my drift. M

05/10/2011 00:29 HH: Msg recvd. Tweaking. Middile of road option sounds good. Will call morning.

05/10/2011 00:29 HH: PING!!!

05/10/2011 00:37 MI: Will you be sending me your tweaks or am I to use my copy as final? If tweaks are short, I can call you to get them

05/10/2011 08:47 MI: You have mail from two of my mailboxes. Please read, respond and then we have one last short discussion before I put everything in motion. Thanks. M

05/10/2011 12:45 MI: I was just informed by senior US intel that GD-SII Mr P asked for, and received permission, from senior Arab leaders a few days ago to sack Z. For what its worth

05/10/2011 13:08 HH: Thanks. Very useful 05/10/2011 13:09 HH: My friend and I agree with middle option. Go ahead

05/10/2011 14:57 MI: Message delivered with caveat that he has to decide how hard to push - we only set the table. He must decide if he wants one course meal or seven course meal. Ball is in play now - make sure you have protected your flanks

05/11/2011 12:33 MI: I've been asked to find out what time your meeting is today. Response so far indicates they are having a hard look, although they find it nearly impossible to believe anyone could deliver such results... to be expected, I suppose. Hope you got home okay. Did you see Mush while in London?

05/11/2011 14:59 MI: PING!!!

05/12/2011 00:36 HH: Call me on my cell

05/12/2011 00:37 HH: Also, M in ur msgs above referred to the Admiral, right?

05/12/2011 00:37 MI: Yes

05/12/2011 00:54 MI: Clarification. M at the end of a message is Mansoor. M or MM in the text of a message is the admiral. Apologies for any confusion. BBM when free. I'll call you. Whether it is shattering news or not is up to you to decide

05/12/2011 01:47 MI: I just received an email from my link to MM independently confirming what you told me by phone. He says MM was appreciative of our intervention and utilized the data to advise and consent

05/12/2011 02:47 HH: Thanx. On way to Isloo. Will touch base on return

05/12/2011 02:54 MI: Good luck. Let me know at any time if you need any help

Details of chat between MI and HH after his Financial Times article was published until the first week of November, 2011:

HH: you can keep saying you delivered a message and show bbm convos to prove it

HH: Basically you don't get it

HH: You have given hardliners in Pak Mil reason to argue there was an effort to get US to conspire against Pak Mil

HH: You are a US citizen

HH: You are supposed to look after US interests

MI: I wrote one article. Have not said one word on the record since then to anyone. I think your press is working both sides against the middle, trying to force something out of anyone they can. Period. I don't play in that game

HH: In Pak political situation, getting burned as a US stooge undermines one's effectiveness

HH: I will make sure FO shuts up

HH: Let this die down

HH: We are in the right

HH: We will still make things happen

MI: Okay, well I know my IQ is pretty low so you are probably correct in saying I just don't get it.

HH: The Pak press be damned

HH: I stand by you as a man of integrity serving his country

HH: You don't let ppl back home argue I play for your team, not ours

MI: But from my point of view, if there was a real threat, as you stated at the time, it is clear you were trying to save a democratic structure from those hawks

HH: You get to write the book on how you changed US-Pak dynamic and won the war in A'tan (w/ some help from a **** nerd) :D

MI: I was happy to get the message in the back door because it served American interests to preserve the democratic civilian setup and the offers made, if achieved, were very much congruent with American objectives in the region

HH: True that, friend. But you know premature revelation ain't good

MI: As far as I can see, we did right. Unless there is something I don't see here. But then I'm sorta dumb from down on the farm where them hillbillies live

HH: Hey! Don't run down hillbillies

HH: Even the smartest can miss a piece of the puzzle

HH: You are assuming there are no powerful men in Pak willing to break w/ US. Premature revelation gives those ppl reason to claim 'conspiracy', 'treason'

HH: That is all you missed. Period.

HH: And no one else might tell you this, you're becoming irritable and losing your sense of humor as you grow old

HH: Let this one go. There is much to do. MUCH. And then, there's the beach where I've been waiting to be invited, the slum boy visiting the millionaire

MI: I'm not a millionaire. But I do know a nice piece of beach!

HH: I'm not a slum boy either but I know how to make friends with smart people with a sense of history :P

MI: Jesus, then what the -- are you doing hanging around with me? =D

HH: We'll make things happen and if we can't, we'll write a book about it

HH: Who said I was hanging around with you. A minute ago I thought you were about to hang me :D

MI: :O


MI: Really?

HH: Look, Isloo is a mess. Journos gone wild. Politicos scared of mil. Mil scared of Yanks.

MI: Tell me one important thing. Who likes you and who hates you in the US establishment? Who wants you to stay and who wants to -- you up?

HH: The debate abt your oped has caused my detractors to put pressure on my boss

HH: In US estab, I can count on Leon and Petraeus

MI: I thought YOU were the boss!

MI: Who is against you?

HH: Folks at State don't like me

MI: Why?

MI: Too close to AZ?

HH: They think I am too mixed up w/ DoD and others and do not help them cut deals w/ Pak mil

HH: Close to AZ bit too

HH: They are wrong re DoD and others.

HH: It is just that becoz of A'tan, they are more imp than State

MI: I always thought HRC was one of your fans. She even has a lady from our parts working with her

HH: It is folks at State who got pissed off by your mission

HH: She may be but I was Holbrooke's buddy so everyone who hates him hates me

HH: I have no time for just pushing paper around

HH: State likes process

MI: Which mission? Sudan, Kashmir, there were so many they got pissed off about. I showed them how to do real American diplomacy and that was like a big pile of **** on their desk they couldn't swallow

HH: Conferences, statements-with nothing changing

HH: The latest one

MI: Yeah, I got it. You're right!

MI: Anyway, State will always hate me because I don't accept their muddling way of doing things

HH: I don't know for a fact but I won't be surprised if the FO statement was prompted by someone here

HH: Robin Raphel is back as Grossman's deputy

HH: You stepped on her toes w/ Kashmir mission

MI: That would be typical. But Grossman knows me and he knows how serious I am. Raphael still hates me for the Kashmir intervention where she did everything she could to **** me up

HH: And now they hate me more when folks back home who hate me tell them you and I might have been together on s'thing (whether we were or not is irrelevant to them)

HH: Grossman is good but he doesn't like anyone playing a larger than life role. Old school

HH: That's why I have been requesting you to let this one go

MI: Yeah I know. Found that out when he was our lobbyist. But he's a good guy

HH: That takes attention off me

MI: Hmmmmmmmmm....... Not sure anything could take attention off you

HH: I try and make peace with State and focus on battles at home

HH: HaHa :D

MI: Diplomacy at its finest!!!

HH: Yeah, right! But at least I shd not be painted as playing for your team

MI: Why not? You were a good quarterback for those three days!!

HH: I want to solve -***ing problems not fight a rearguard action all the time

HH: :x

HH: Let us wait and see if Hillary's latest foray changes things in any direction

MI: Did we really solve a true problem or was this all smoke and mirrors?

MI: I mean on those days of stress...

HH: View here is that everyone in Isloo sucks!

MI: That's pretty much true!!!!

HH: Too early to say re solution

MI: But if they all suck, then what did we save - a sinking ship that was going to sink anyway???

HH: And there is a genetic problem at that end, predisposed to going round and round in circles

MI: Yup!! That's for damn sure

HH: I think we save the situation from an extremely violent outcome

MI: How can you solve the problems you understand so well from here if all the people in charge over there are wrong? It's only one year til we have a change in the US. Then you really won't like who we have here!

HH: I mean, Iran might have done better if the Shah had been saved AND some true reform introduced

HH: Actually, I think the new ppl here might be better to deal with

HH: They won't take lies easily

MI: Don't bet on it. We have a lot of extremists cropping up and seeping into the system

MI: They don't trust anything Pakistani

MI: Don't matter what it is

HH: Well, in that case find me a cheap piece of beach :)

MI: Cain, Romney (who hates Muslims), Perry - its all the same crap

MI: Hmmmmm, yes, I can arrange that

MI: Why is Z such an idiot?

HH: But don't go off writing opeds abt arranging piece of beach w'out consulting first :P

HH: HaHa! Tough question

HH: I have a speech in 20 mins so let's keep that for later

HH: Bye for now

MI: Okay. Good luck.

HH: Thank you!

MI: Hi buddy, I understand you/ your foreign office hacks are commissioning hatchet pieces against me. Unfortunate.... very unfortunate

HH: I will enquire and stop them. There's no need for any of this.

HH: You haven't helped by engaging so much w/ Pak media.

HH: What happened to the 'silent soldier'?

MI: I issued a statement that was designed to put an end to all of this after Imran Khan's rally nonsense. But be that as it may, I'm not going to tolerate character assassination in any of this

HH: I agree

HH: Will do my best to prevent it

MI: Roger that

HH: Focus on your policy message instead of who did what and we can turn this around

MI: Please remind your boss that his beloved wife, who later became a good friend of mine, tried the same bullshit tactics in 1996 when Maleeha was envoy - result: her government was dismissed in Nov 1996.

MI: I'm not someone he can mess around with. He better get that message from me and really understand it

HH: My response to Imran was very simple and true: I did not write a treasonous letter and if Imran has a copy, he should present it

HH: I don't think your threatening helps

MI: That's true from my point of view as well. But politicians are politicians

MI: I don't make threats. I state facts. Your boss needs reminding of the facts

HH: Are you sure your side won't deny?

MI: No, maybe they will. But that would also be a mistake. Too much proof on that side as well.

HH: But does "proving" help anything?

HH: Is it not the nature of a private mission that officials deny it?

MI: Don't know. Don't care. My point is simple - I've said what I was going to. Attacks on my person will not be tolerated. And my statement stands. Stop telling lies about me and I might just stip telling the truth about you

HH: If you were to listen to my advice, you would let this blow over and prove yourself afterwards. You are the one who will outlast the flying **** :)

HH: That is usually my strategy: be there when the others have self-destructed or blown over

MI: I've kept to my word - if everyone wants to call it a fabrication and make me the fall guy, then gloves come off and it's not going to be fun or pretty for anyone

MI: You did something you thought was right outside channels because you felt it would be the most effective way to get the job done. I helped you execute. I haven't thrown you under the bus. But be damn sure I won't let anyone do that to me

HH: I'll do what I can to keep it pretty

HH: I haven't. I won't.

MI: By the way, I know a lot more than you give me credit for about the circumstances that led to May 1 and your role in all that. Just FYI

HH: Honorable ppl stick with one another. Take care.

MI: ;)

HH: I am maintaining silence so pls check with me before reacting if some Pak journo attributes anything to me

MI: It's interesting (and heartening) to see that many of the proposals made in the memo are now being implemented in the bilateral relationship. Very good

Sent from my BlackBerry(r) wireless device
 

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