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130 counter-terrorism specialist firearms officers equipped with new weapons and retrained in new tactics, including ‘fast-roping’ from helicopters



Armed transport police officers on patrol at London Bridge station. Photograph: Justin Tallis/AFP/Getty Images

Scotland Yard has created an SAS-style unit of armed officers to counter the threat of a terrorist gun attack in Britain.

The 130 counter-terrorism specialist firearms officers (CTSFOs) who make up the elite unit have been equipped with new weapons and retrained in new tactics, such as fast-roping from helicopters and storming burning buildings to rescue hostages.

The unit has trained alongside the army’s special forces to respond to assaults such as the 2008 attacks in Mumbai and the 2013 Westgate shopping mall attack in Nairobi, which developed into a siege. It will also be looking to see if any lessons can be learned from Friday’s massacre in Tunisia.

Police and the emergency services will hold their biggest ever counter-terrorism exercise in central London on Tuesday.

Police chiefs are adamant that their officers rather than soldiers would respond to a terrorist gun attack on Britain’s streets, but accept the military would probably have to become involved as the crisis played out.

They have been wrestling with how a largely unarmed police service might deal with such an event, possibly across multiple locations in an urban area.

Regular officers have been told to call in armed colleagues. First on the scene would be one of the hundreds of armed officers who routinely patrol in armed response vehicles.

They would take no longer than 15 minutes to arrive, or even less for areas identified as prime targets, such as Whitehall. The new CTSFO unit would also be scrambled.

Police chiefs believe terrorist attacks such as the one in Nairobi show that most casualties happen in the first hour or two.

A senior police source said the new unit would aim to arrest the attackers, but would be prepared to contain and “neutralise” them. “We’re police officers, not soldiers. We’re not at war. Our job is to arrest people,” the source said.

Even if faced with a gunman or gunmen on the rampage, the unit would not have orders to shoot to kill, but would be told to use minimum force. They would not be “firing the maximum number of bullets” and their actions would be subject to the criminal law.

They have, nevertheless, been issued with SIG 516 weapons and trained to shoot to the head if necessary. Armed officers are traditionally trained to shoot towards the centre of the chest.

They new unit has also been trained to take to speedboats in case of an attack from water,and to “fast-rope” from helicopters should road traffic be gridlocked following an attack.

There is no intelligence of an imminent gun attack on Britain, but the two-day exercise in London this week will test how police, the emergency services and government would cope with the intense strain of a such an event.

The government’s Cobra emergency committee will take part in the exercise, which was devised in January.

The announcement by the prime minister, David Cameron, of beefed up counter-terrorism measures and a renewed drive against extremism is otherwise expected to make little difference to policing practices. Officers have been engaged in unprecedented levels of activity for nine months already, making nearly one terrorism-related arrest a day.

The deployment of hundreds of officers, 600 so far, to deal with the attack on Britons in Tunisia, comes at a time of strain for the police counter-terrorism network, made up of Scotland Yard’s S015 and a series of regional units.

Senior officers have convinced the government to give counter-terrorism policing more money, but they worry privately that cuts to neighbourhood policing, including a potential reduction in the number of frontline officers, would damage the contacts and trust gained among communities and thus the intelligence gathered.

In May, Britain’s top counter-terrorism officer, Mark Rowley, said: “Our discussions over the next few months in terms of the spending rounds … around counter-terrorism, will make the point it’s not simply about the counter-terrorism network enforcement, its about the strength of those other elements of policing.”

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A senior police source said the new unit would aim to arrest the attackers, but would be prepared to contain and “neutralise” them. “We’re police officers, not soldiers. We’re not at war. Our job is to arrest people,” the source said.

That will be one of the fundamental difference between policing in US and in Britain, the officers understand better that they are not at war with their own people, whereas in US all the military surplus equipment created a heavily militarized police force.
 
That will be one of the fundamental difference between policing in US and in Britain, the officers understand better that they are not at war with their own people, whereas in US all the military surplus equipment created a heavily militarized police force.
We're going that way. Police officers in this country used to dress in tunics and helmets. Now they slouch around in baseball caps and stab vests with huge clubs and tasers.
 
We're going that way. Police officers in this country used to dress in tunics and helmets. Now they slouch around in baseball caps and stab vests with huge clubs and tasers.

Fear of ISIS is being used effectively by all governments, lets hope the british public is more aware compared to US.
 
We're going that way. Police officers in this country used to dress in tunics and helmets. Now they slouch around in baseball caps and stab vests with huge clubs and tasers.
most british police still are opposed to bearing firearm, and want specialized armed police to respond. Stab vests and tasers are for unruly people and gangs not for ISIS.
 
most british police still are opposed to bearing firearm, and want specialized armed police to respond. Stab vests and tasers are for unruly people and gangs not for ISIS.
Tasers are firerarms.
 
@Steve781 @mike2000 is back Seeing all the terrorist threats and police officers could be targeted (Just like the last time 2 female cops have been killed),they should carry firearms,how could they defend people if they can't defend themselves ?
Is there any reason why they don't carry guns ? Culture ? :partay:
As far as i know,more and more officers are carrying tasers,but is it enough ? :coffee:
 
Tasers are firerarms.
no fire, no firearm. :p:
tasers are made to be safe for humans, intended at momentary immobilization. I would say its less dangerous than a baton for most adults.
 
@Steve781 @mike2000 is back Seeing all the terrorist threats and police officers could be targeted (Just like the last time 2 female cops have been killed),they should carry firearms,how could they defend people if they can't defend themselves ?
Is there any reason why they don't carry guns ? Culture ? :partay:
As far as i know,more and more officers are carrying tasers,but is it enough ? :coffee:
It used to be a point of pride that our police officers didn't need guns. There is an arguement that they are necessary now because society is a lot more violent than it used to be but I would rather we fixed the cultural problems which have made it this way rather than abandon a centuries old tradition.
In the case of terrorism there are specialist units which do carry firearms routinely.
 
It used to be a point of pride that our police officers didn't need guns. There is an arguement that they are necessary now because society is a lot more violent than it used to be but I would rather we fixed the cultural problems which have made it this way rather than abandon a centuries old tradition.
In the case of terrorism there are specialist units which do carry firearms routinely.
Society is less violent if anything, last year the level of crimes were the lowest in over 30 years, 100 years ago there was around 300 murders, now our populations 7 times as high yet there were less than 600 murders, so a pretty big decrease, if you look at murder statistics they are falling year on year too > Murders in the UK

Stab vests and tasers arent great but they are a precaution and the only reason we never had them before was because they didnt exist. you cant deny someone who is protecting the public protection themselves and thankfully we draw the line at a high voltage weapon that a few officers have and dedicated armed patrol units that patrol around whatever county they are stationed in until they are required. I dont disagree with using a taser as it can save lives, might kill the odd few people but if your getting shot with a taser chances are your being a bit of a dick.
 
That will be one of the fundamental difference between policing in US and in Britain, the officers understand better that they are not at war with their own people, whereas in US all the military surplus equipment created a heavily militarized police force.

You want to know why American Police is "Militarized"?

Ok, research these:

Prohibition era
1986 Miami Shootout
Waco, Texas
Urban Riots Los Angeles/ Detroit
1997 North Hollywood Bank shoot-out

What do these have in common, since you're probably too lazy to google them, in all instances the law enforcement officers were outgunned by the criminals.

Let me have a fictional comic-book character explain it to you:
Jim Gordon: What about escalation?
Batman: Escalation?
Jim Gordon: We start carrying semi-automatics, they buy automatics. We start wearing Kevlar, they buy armor piercing rounds.
 
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