Scores of Pak soldiers desert forces - False title.

[t-birds]

T-Bird:

Your Title and Headline are misleading:

It's primarily the paramilitary, and not the Army soldiers that are suffering from desertions!

Differentiate Please!​

Lol talk about spinning!

He ripped it from this source and purposely didn't mention the link:

Some Frontier Corps jawans desert force

Notice how "some FC corps" is replaced by "SCORES OF PAK SOLDIERS".

T-bird, intentional misrepresentation and slander against the Pak Armed forces will have repercussions.

Assuming you ARE Pakistani... That is treachery. Just as any man abandoning his post is.

Thread is locked, anybody wishing to make a big claim like this should have solid backing to be allowable on this forum. Plain simple lying, like T-bird's will probably not go down with all sections of this forum.

ISLAMABAD: Scores of Pakistani soldiers have deserted the security forces deployed in tribal areas bordering Afghanistan, mainly because they were not sure whether fighting against their 'own people' was morally right, media reports said on Saturday.

"I did not desert the force because I feared death, but I was not sure whether the fighting in tribal district Waziristan was Islamic or not," a soldier from paramilitary Frontier Corps told the Daily Times.

The man, who recently refused to serve in tribal areas, claimed the same question was haunting many other soldiers and the confusion was stopping them from "putting up a tough fight" against the Taliban and Al-Qaida elements in the area. Pro-Taliban militiamen pulled out of peace treaties with the government after troops stormed the Lal Masjid in the capital on July 10, and launched a series of raids on security forces.

He confirmed the desertions but insisted these should be ignored as "insignificant incidents”. "Small-scale desertion takes place in any force and in any country for one reason or another," Arshad told the newspaper.

However, six soldiers from only one suburb of Peshawar, the capital of North-West Frontier Province, have deserted the Frontier Corps. The force is the first line of defence of around 90,000 troops deployed along the country’s western border against militants launching attacks at international forces in Afghanistan.

Pakistan is setting in process a plan to withdraw its army from the restive tribal areas and replace them with paramilitary forces, a news report has said.

President Pervez Musharraf told a group of parliamentarians from the Federally Administered Tribal Areas that army would be withdrawn from tribal areas after January 2008, the same newspaper reported.

"Paramilitary forces including Frontier Constabulary, Levies and Khasadars will take over the charge of tribal areas from the military, which would be withdrawn after January 2008,"sources quoted the Musharraf as saying.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

T-Bird:

Your Title and Headline are misleading:

It's primarily the paramilitary, and not the Army soldiers that are suffering from desertions!

Differentiate Please!​

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Here is a quote attributed to Hussain Haqqani about the Frontier Corp:

"These guys are low-paid tribal people," according to Husain Haqqani, a former adviser to two Pakistani prime ministers and a teacher at Boston University as of early 2007. "Each tribe gets a quota. It gives them a handout. They are poorly trained. They've never really had to fight. So they are corruption-prone."

 

[Spring Onion]

Agno i was also about report but its better if you guys check some moroons as recently i had felt that the standard of forum is again gowing the gutter way due to same phobia of becoming too soft for some idiots

 

[Energon]

"Each tribe gets a quota. It gives them a handout. They are poorly trained. They've never really had to fight. So they are corruption-prone."

Weren't soldiers from these paramilitary units mobilized during the Kargil conflict? They seemed to be fairly competent (from a training point of view) then.

 

[Spring Onion]

Weren't soldiers from these paramilitary units mobilized during the Kargil conflict? They seemed to be fairly competent (from a training point of view) then.

NO they were recently created NLI the Northern Light Infantry.
Who fought valiantly in Kargil and some of those who fought there were trained by Army in a very very very short time

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Jna.

You astound me with journalistic falsehood.

NLI was not trained in a short time.

They are what is known in the Pak Army as whiteshod troops!

Do also check how long they have been in existence!!!

Now if you don't know what it means, please research and not let your journalistic imagination take a sensationalism ride!!!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

1977 The Northern Light Infantry
formed at Gilgit by amalgamation of the Karakoram Scouts and Northern Scouts, of the Frontier Corps (paramilitary)

1999 regularised in Pakistan Army

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The Northern Light Infantry (NLI) is a Light Infantry Regiment of the Pakistan Army. Headquartered in Skardu, the capital of Baltistan, it is the main force protecting the strategically important northern areas of Pakistan. The majority of this regiment's personnel come from native Gilgitis, Baltis, Brushos, Wakhis and Khowars etc. It was formed in 1971 with the amalgamation of the Northern Scouts along with its Scout wings: the Karakoram Scouts, Northern Scouts and Gilgit Scouts

The question would be whether the NLI receives better training and equipment considering they have been historically deployed in a much more strategic and sensitive region.

Another issue that comes up wrt to the existing Frontier Corps and their poor performance, would be the combination of a lack of training and equipment with the lack of desire to engage people belonging to their own tribes. The latter may be overcome with better training and compensation as the FC is reformed and transformed into a professional force, something both the GoP and the US are investing in, but until then these issues are going to remain.

With the NLI, even if they did not enjoy a huge advantage in training and equipment over the FC, issues of desertion, demoralization and lack of conviction obviously would not have been an issue since the "enemy" was India. But I would still be interested in finding out whether they have had an advantage over the FC in the aformentioned areas.

 

[Energon]

^^^ That was my understanding regarding the NLI Paramilitary forces.

 

[mujahideen]

PEOPLE NEED TO GET IT RIGHT THESE ARE ONLY PARAMILITARY SECURITY FORCES, THEY HAVE ALL LOCALS ENLISTED IN THEM EXCEPT AT THE TOP OF THE COMMAND WHERE THEIR ARE HIGH RANKING ARMY OFFICERS.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Paramilitary organizations, which were mainly of symbolic importance, included the 185,000-member National Guard, comprising the Janbaz Force--locally recruited militia mainly charged with air defense--and two programs similar to the United States Reserve Officers Training Corps, the National Cadet Corps and the Women Guard. The Women Guard, unlike the National Cadet Corps, included individuals trained in nursing, welfare, and clerical work. There were also some women in the Janbaz Force, and a very small number of women were recruited into the regular service in limited numbers to perform medical and educational work.

Paramilitary internal security forces were organized on the provincial level but were subordinate to the Ministry of Interior and were commanded by seconded army generals. These forces were in effect an extension of the army for internal security duties. The Pakistan Rangers, headquartered in Lahore, dealt with unrest in Punjab, while the Mehran Force performed similar functions in Sindh. In 1994 their strengths were 25,000 and 24,000, respectively, divided into "wings" of approximately 800 men each. The Frontier Corps, with a strength of 65,000, was based in Peshawar and Quetta with responsibility for the North-West Frontier Province and Balochistan. The corps was responsible to both the Ministry of States and Frontier Regions and to army headquarters. The corps was divided into twenty-seven local units--fourteen in the North-West Frontier Province and thirteen in Balochistan--and included the Chitral Scouts, the Khyber Rifles, the Kurram Militia, the Tochi Scouts, the South Waziristan Scouts, the Zhob Militia, and the Gilgit Scouts. There was also a Coast Guard, subordinate to the Ministry of Interior and staffed by army personnel.

Data as of April 1994



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[PakSniper]

One must remember, that this happens everywhere U.S. is having issues with deserters in Canada, Vietnam (past), and Korea (past), etc, people are guided by their moral principles which they hold more dearly / which must be respected in every circumstances, where one can't bear taking the life of another. If it conflicts with their religious beliefs he has the right to disobey orders, where that right is also given to U.S. troops on the ground in stead of commanders sitting in bunkers / who at times might not realize the situation on the ground with ones own eyes.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[fatman17]

One must remember, that this happens everywhere U.S. is having issues with deserters in Canada, Vietnam (past), and Korea (past), etc, people are guided by their moral principles which they hold more dearly / which must be respected in every circumstances, where one can't bear taking the life of another. If it conflicts with their religious beliefs he has the right to disobey orders, where that right is also given to U.S. troops on the ground in stead of commanders sitting in bunkers / who at times might not realize the situation on the ground with ones own eyes.

Just my 2 cents.

agree!
its a common phenomenon. this does not mean that the organisation one may represent is dis-organised or there is a lack of morale, motivation to carry out their objectives, however the media will use such instances to state the opposite.

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

agree!
its a common phenomenon. this does not mean that the organisation one may represent is dis-organised or there is a lack of morale, motivation to carry out their objectives, however the media will use such instances to state the opposite.

I would say that this is not only media my friend, as it so happened that some Paramilitary forces personale did surreder to Taliban in SAWAT region before Army came and Kicked ***. But i think the role of Media should be more to cover weaknesses of our society infront of all the world then to highlighten it. Paramilitary forces should be made more efficient with more support from ARMY in training and in equipment. Such situation should be handeled by Paramilitary forces.