SCO proudly moves into next step of development

[IR-TR]

Not even Indians and Pakistanis themselves here believe in what you just said. So you really think being part of SCO will help them resolve the Kashmir issue? Bro i'm sorry to say it, but with all due respect, that's quite naive of you to be honest.

In fact we and the U.S will be very very glad to see India and Pakistan gaining membership in this group. They will help us turn it into another SAARC. So we have nothing to do to spoil things at all.





LOOL Your parents immigrated from Iran/Turkey over to the 'evil' west to seek a better life for themselves and their children including you(which it seems they succeeded), you were born here and grew up in the west. You are also paying taxes and work here which help fund western imperialism in the world and makes the west Stronger. You should stop doing that to be honest and maybe go do that to other developing countries like China/Russia who are very non aggressive/saint/holy powers to save the world from the 'Evil' U.S/west that will be a good start/way to help 'balance the world'. Never mind that as my Chinese friend @TaiShang said, China/Russia are not trying to save the world or whatever, they are merely after their own interests and protecting themselves, not others. lool
So i don't know how your wish can come true if the Chinese and Russian leaderships themselves aren't interested. '

Pakistan and India fixing their issues INSIDE SCO is more logical than outside of it. It's been a few decades already. Perhaps it will work. Notice, I said it COULD be a venue that helps them, not that it's a silver bullet.

I have nothing against the West/US. I only dislike their foreign policy. When they invade countless countries, or are hostile against Iran and Turkey (Kurdish crap). So yes, that part I hate. Other than that, I frigging love every second of it.

Russia and China won't save the world, neither do they have to. But there comes a time when they're powerful enough to dare and go protect their interests. China only does it in it's own backyard now (South China Sea). But in a few years you might see projecting power to protect it's hundreds of billions of dollars in investments.. It's not too far off. Russia is too weak and can't do much besides arm countries.

 

[JohnyD]

Putin told Modi that the process has begun to include India as the permanent member of SCO...makes sense...there cant be any group of developing nations without having India on board..

As far as Pak is concerned, if China insists it might get the membership but I doubt it will be able to comply with the charter of the SCO!

 

[TaiShang]

Hes even more optimistic of countries like China and Russia going against the west than people if these countries themselves. without knowing as you said tht China has no intention of taking on the west(espwcially not militarily) or forming any block against the west at all. So he can keep wishing even arch nemensis/ennemies like india and Pakistan will cooperate foe the sake of uniting against the 'evil west'. Loool not knoqing that these same countries will rather cooperate/ally with the west anyday than with each other. Loool

I think it is being unrealistic to think that, in the age of nation states, one state would sacrifice itself for the other based entirely on the feelings of solidarity, affinity or brotherhood. That was Europe in Middle Ages when they came together under the Papal guidance to destroy the heathen. Event the Crusades involved class conflict and clashes of interest. Same idea is being tried to revive in the Islamic world by the newly-rising non-state terrorist groups such as ISIS and their state-sponsors like Turkey, Qatar and KSA. But, even here, personal interests, survival instincts etc. play a role. Hence, at the end of the day, what matters for nations is survival of the nation.

China and Russia is not certainly going against the West but they are cooperating to protect what they perceive to be their common interests. The mere act of self-protection might be viewed as going against the West by some, but, compared to Western expansionism, what China and Russia has been doing is definitely peaceful.

A bloc is emerging, but it is currently development and integration-driven. The fact that both countries are credible nuclear-powers makes it unnecessary to really rally together against a threatening West that challenges their very existence. There is nothing like that. But you see, when feeling challenged economically, these countries have banded together pretty fast and some meaningful results have been achieved.

Russia and China won't save the world, neither do they have to. But there comes a time when they're powerful enough to dare and go protect their interests. China only does it in it's own backyard now (South China Sea). But in a few years you might see projecting power to protect it's hundreds of billions of dollars in investments.. It's not too far off. Russia is too weak and can't do much besides arm countries.

That's the point to be made, really. My friend @mike2000 is back is eager to see some tangible results -- you know, like NATO that hosts nuclear bombs in several non-nuclear member states. But alliance making can be different from the accepted norms of the Western hard-institutionalization. Especially in the face of the absolute Western dominance in almost every aspect of international system, one has to catch some currents that go deep inside the ocean not to cause ripples on the surface. It is the same reason that the AIIB uses such a soft rhetoric. That's no different from the SCO. You just have to manage the situation. Heroes die first. My friend Mike is just very impatient to see some tangible stuff otherwise he is quick to label the existing (incremental) bloc formation as nada.