Scarborough Shoal: Phl facts vs Beijing fiction

[AgentOrange]

LOL you can't wax your fairy tale arguments this time and those maps that you pulled straight out from Davy Jones locker which will be useless in legal court.


Well China can fool their own people but they cannot fool us.

Court only matters when the results are binding and enforceable. Otherwise, it might as well be entertainment. Like when those idiot Spaniards declared Hu Jintao as a "war criminal." I mean, as stupid as that declaration was, who's going to come get him? The Spanish Armada? The PLAN would turn that into a bunch of metal burritos at the bottom of the ocean within half a day.

Similarly with whatever random court ruling. Realistically speaking, no one is going to risk their economic ties with China over uninhabited rocks.

 

[Pinoy]

You don't need to be swayed by CPC propaganda.

The only thing that matters is that Scarborough shoal is ours, and we control it. And the Philippines doesn't have the defense budget to do anything about it, tell me how you will combat the PLAN. Even our nuclear submarines alone would cost as much as the entire defence budget of the Philippines.

Events will unfold and accelerate once the decision is handed down. You can bet on that. What happens next, well we will see.

First of all, I'm a Taiwanese. And secondly, why don't you rebut what Allen has written, instead of blaming everything you have no answer for as "CCP propaganda"?

Okay you're not a CHINESE but TAIWANESE LOL

Anyway China's 9 dash line is not recognized by international community. Even your Chinese or Taiwanese scholars can not prove its validity or existence... it was never clarified... that's why you don't want no part of the arbitration 'cos you can't prove it.. you can't.

Court only matters when the results are binding and enforceable. Otherwise, it might as well be entertainment. Like when those idiot Spaniards declared Hu Jintao as a "war criminal." I mean, as stupid as that declaration was, who's going to come get him? The Spanish Armada? The PLAN would turn that into a bunch of metal burritos at the bottom of the ocean within half a day.

Similarly with whatever random court ruling. Realistically speaking, no one is going to risk their economic ties with China over uninhabited rocks.

In case the we win the case in the arbitration, then...

We shall see if China has the balls to defy international law.
We shall see what happens next if China chooses that path.
We shall see how the international community will react to a rogue country.
We shall see if the MDT and EDCA between the US and the Philippines will be enforced.
We shall see what role Japan will take after the decision is handed down.
We shall see what effects the decision will have on China's economy.
We shall see what Vietnam will do next after this decision.
We shall see how strong China's influence really is on the ASEAN.

One thing is almost certain however, having gone this far, we will not back down especially if we have the legal and moral grounds behind our claim.

 

[AgentOrange]

In case the we win the case in the arbitration, then...

We shall see if China has the balls to defy international law.
We shall see what happens next if China chooses that path.
We shall see how the international community will react to a rogue country.
We shall see if the MDT and EDCA between the US and the Philippines will be enforced.
We shall see what role Japan will take after the decision is handed down.
We shall see what effects the decision will have on China's economy.
We shall see what Vietnam will do next after this decision.
We shall see how strong China's influence really is on the ASEAN.

One thing is almost certain however, having gone this far, we will not back down especially if we have the legal and moral grounds behind our claim.

It is only right and proper to be proud of your homeland. I can empathize with you in that you want what's best for the Philippines. But at the same time, it's also a good idea to be realistic. If the Philippines wins some irrelevant court case that China didn't even deign to contest , I don't think China will do anything different in the SCS. China will keep expanding its navy and building more islands in the SCS. And the Philippines will keep...waving around a useless piece of paper that might as well say it won an international pie eating contest or something, for all the influence it will have on China's actions.

Personally, I do think cooler heads will ultimately prevail and recognize China's legitimate claims over the SCS.

 

[Zero_wing]

Court only matters when the results are binding and enforceable. Otherwise, it might as well be entertainment. Like when those idiot Spaniards declared Hu Jintao as a "war criminal." I mean, as stupid as that declaration was, who's going to come get him? The Spanish Armada? The PLAN would turn that into a bunch of metal burritos at the bottom of the ocean within half a day.

Similarly with whatever random court ruling. Realistically speaking, no one is going to risk their economic ties with China over uninhabited rocks.

Well china is not our main business partner so little risk for us we still have Japan, America, Korea etc.
As for the ruling well we will have to wait

It is only right and proper to be proud of your homeland. I can empathize with you in that you want what's best for the Philippines. But at the same time, it's also a good idea to be realistic. If the Philippines wins some irrelevant court case that China didn't even deign to contest , I don't think China will do anything different in the SCS. China will keep expanding its navy and building more islands in the SCS. And the Philippines will keep...waving around a useless piece of paper that might as well say it won an international pie eating contest or something, for all the influence it will have on China's actions.

Personally, I do think cooler heads will ultimately prevail and recognize China's legitimate claims over the SCS.

Wow so its jsut like world war 2 just let hitler take countries without a word even though it violate the treaty of versaille for now we deal with problem with case in ITCLOS while fix our defense buy modernizing our force and checking our allies and wait for the rulling then we can worry about enforcement to tell you sir it would be just that if we are about to lose islands and shoals and some of diginity but the point is we are about to lose more if your not aware filipinos are maritime people we not only lose our maritime culture but our food sources as well majority of people here live on fish and rice and livelihoods are more on fishings so it cost us more than just islands and shoals our own survival is at stake here. How is that of reality so eventhough we are weak we are in the right here and we have to and we still have to bet on this peaceful process china can do what i want but in the end they have to risk international condemnation if they continue and their powers counts for crap besides they piss off too many people not just us.

 

[AgentOrange]

Well china is not our main business partner so little risk for us we still have Japan, America, Korea etc.
As for the ruling well we will have to wait


Wow so its jsut like world war 2 just let hitler take countries without a word even though it violate the treaty of versaille for now we deal with problem with case in ITCLOS while fix our defense buy modernizing our force and checking our allies and wait for the rulling then we can worry about enforcement to tell you sir it would be just that if we are about to lose islands and shoals and some of diginity but the point is we are about to lose more if your not aware filipinos are maritime people we not only lose our maritime culture but our food sources as well majority of people here live on fish and rice and livelihoods are more on fishings so it cost us more than just islands and shoals our own survival is at stake here. How is that of reality so eventhough we are weak we are in the right here and we have to and we still have to bet on this peaceful process china can do what i want but in the end they have to risk international condemnation if they continue and their powers counts for crap besides they piss off too many people not just us.

Firstly, you need to use paragraphs. I was barely able to comprehend that mind-numbing wall of text and I shan't respond to your posts in the future if you don't learn some basic grammar and punctuation.

But anyways, I fully endorse resource sharing in the SCS. I believe China and the Philippines can ultimately work together since we don't have any historical baggage or share any true animosity towards one another. But given the current situation, if the Philippines allows itself to be used as an American pawn for their "pivot", then China has no choice but to harden it's stance diplomatically and reenforce its position militarily.

 

[Zero_wing]

Firstly, you need to use paragraphs. I was barely able to comprehend that mind-numbing wall of text and I shan't respond to your posts in the future if you don't learn some basic grammar and punctuation.

But anyways, I fully endorse resource sharing in the SCS. I believe China and the Philippines can ultimately work together since we don't have any historical baggage or share any true animosity towards one another. But given the current situation, if the Philippines allows itself to be used as an American pawn for their "pivot", then China has no choice but to harden it's stance diplomatically and reenforce its position militarily.

Ya if it would be fare no problem but the problem is china will just take and destrory everything else its happening now so what the point and besides chinese already pleadge not to build anything the SCS and yet they making islands out of reefs and shoals military bases inside our EZZ and our national waters a nation who bets on its size and its advantages and strong arm tactics and says one thing does other thing so tell me what country will still talk and resolve by bilaterial why do you think we opted to do follow the next course of action not just because we weak on terms of military power but this our second option we not ready or we dont what to use our second option which war and beside we cant go to war in present condition our constitution only allows us to conduct a defensive war or part of a alliance and declare a state of war not a declaration of war so pure defense we have to wait for country to attack us and counter attack or enforce our soveriegnty at present we cant so we have to follow our second option using international options avilable to us which we are going right now.

Again this comming from a few american ally if your 50cent troll thats your thing or a real canadian i could not care less what your beef with the state is and besides if that was true we getting f16s or f15 or some old stocks of weapons then the current stocks and the aid 40million heck we should be getting like israel type aid of billions of US greens by now so that pawn stuff is simply not true again that statement of your is simply lacking in evidence by now but for now its just MDT and the EDCA and the Visting forces agreement this all we can do now but again our leaders are now trying to build our defense but we need time.

 

[xunzi]

The Phillipines didn't even exist when we claimed our territories. LOL

 

[sicsheep]

the international court does do much, in fact it rules against the US many times in the past, but as long as it can not intervene by a form of economic sanction or military intervention (like the UN security council) , it is useless.

sure maybe the Philippines does not have economy ties with China, but we are the biggest trading partner to just about everybody else including the US, which makes us very difficult if not impossible to sanction,.

 

[sword1947]

LOL China knows if they base their claims through UNCLOS, it is the end of the story. They will get nothing from that law.


Well once we get a favorable decision then it will be a big problem to China.

Anyway there's always a payback when you thumb your nose at the international community. China will be a greedy imperialist in the eyes of the world (which will severely deteriorate its image)

punish us, please. we need some sanctions

 

[JayMandan]

Yes, our living standard is far worse than our Chinese brothers.

Dude, I am not denying anything but to say we are far worse is ridiculous. Both are 3rd world and a large percentage of both country's citizens are still living in the stone age.

 

[Zero_wing]

The Phillipines didn't even exist when we claimed our territories. LOL

Ya sure then prove it in the courts then oh wait the theif is too afraid to show no face it all talk and no show is what you trolls are all about.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Ya if it would be fare no problem but the problem is china will just take and destrory everything else its happening now so what the point and besides chinese already pleadge not to build anything the SCS and yet they making islands out of reefs and shoals military bases inside our EZZ and our national waters a nation who bets on its size and its advantages and strong arm tactics and says one thing does other thing so tell me what country will still talk and resolve by bilaterial why do you think we opted to do follow the next course of action not just because we weak on terms of military power but this our second option we not ready or we dont what to use our second option which war and beside we cant go to war in present condition our constitution only allows us to conduct a defensive war or part of a alliance and declare a state of war not a declaration of war so pure defense we have to wait for country to attack us and counter attack or enforce our soveriegnty at present we cant so we have to follow our second option using international options avilable to us which we are going right now.

Again this comming from a few american ally if your 50cent troll thats your thing or a real canadian i could not care less what your beef with the state is and besides if that was true we getting f16s or f15 or some old stocks of weapons then the current stocks and the aid 40million heck we should be getting like israel type aid of billions of US greens by now so that pawn stuff is simply not true again that statement of your is simply lacking in evidence by now but for now its just MDT and the EDCA and the Visting forces agreement this all we can do now but again our leaders are now trying to build our defense but we need time.

Too hard to read. Back to school for you my boy.

So many poster complain about your writing style its ridiculous. Agent Orange tells you to use paragraphs so you divide your incomprehensible rant into 2 incomprehensible blocks.

 

[JayMandan]

Well almost anything against mother china is incomprehensible to you and the like. huey huey huey

 

[Zero_wing]

Too hard to read. Back to school for you my boy.

So many poster complain about your writing style its ridiculous. Agent Orange tells you to use paragraphs so you divide your incomprehensible rant into 2 incomprehensible blocks.

wow this coming from propaganda educated troll bite i dont give a damn about what you say this coming from uncultured uncivilized troll

 

[AgentOrange]

So many poster complain about your writing style its ridiculous. Agent Orange tells you to use paragraphs so you divide your incomprehensible rant into 2 incomprehensible blocks.