SC ponders over whether Pakistan can be declared a secular state

[9876]

Hi,
No, you will only fuel the fire with that. When i say educated i just dont mean illiterate people. I mean with limited or no knowledge of Islam.

People like Mullah drum of Sunni council and Amir liaquat are not representing islam, but merely using it as tool to influence people

I respectfully disagree, change is difficult but positive change has to be fought for. The easy route is to do nothing because we worry about the short term consequences. Had we dealt with the TTP, the MQM hooligans years ago/decades ago, would we be in the same mess we're in today?

 

[salarsikander]

I respectfully disagree, change is difficult but positive change has to be fought for. The easy route is to do nothing because we worry about the short term consequences. Had we dealt with the TTP, the MQM hooligans years ago/decades ago, would we be in the same mess we're in today?

Putting secular name is going to give us anything more than the islamic republic can give.
Now thats another point that every Mullah becomes judge of Islam and interprets it his own very limited knowledge.

Say if i become a mullah of local masjid or anything, even though i m illiterate people will listen to my views as they would listen to scholar.

The fault is not in system but rather in the people who perceive it to be as such.

I highly suggest you researching on Islamic model on How to run a country, for starters you might wanna look at HazratUmar R.A. model
anything after that was purely based on power and influence, it hasnt got anything with Islam other than using the name of Islam for their own motives such as we see state of Al Saud and Mullahs of Islam. the so called thekdears of Islam

 

[My-Analogous]

actually, it makes a big difference. Declaring Pakistan secular leads to a change in mind set (even if initially this is at the top of government/ law). It helps to remove religion from politics, takes power away from uneducated religious fanatics and holds those who commit crimes in the name of religion accountable (i.e. there is a direct link with terrorism). It is a process, and that process starts with naming Pakistan a secular state. Happy to hear there is an intelligent debate going on!

Since how many time these uneducated religious fanatics did administration in Pakistan?. I must say this news is elephant shit.

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

I thought Pakistan is a secular country. What Sharia law does it implement? The judicial system is based on Old English law. It is a supposed to be a ''democracy'' and at times it's a ''military-dictatorship'', and in both instances religion is devoid from Governance.

Pakistan was created as a Muslim country in the Partition. I have a gripe with those who want to enforce their ideas on the rest of us and change the nature of the country. Don't let us stop you from leaving the country and go and live in secular countries and that is if they let you in.

We in A.K only put up with deprivation from Pakistan for one reason; not that it has done anything worthwhile in terms of Investment; it's because of Islam. Allah forbids us from separating from other Muslms. However, if Pakistan wants to be more KUFFR, then we will seek independence and we know how to get it.

 

[Icarus]

Just the fact that we are able to have this debate shows that a marked improvement in the standing of our institutions, it is healthy for a nation to continually question itself and learn to push boundaries. That is the only way to evolve as a society.

I thought Pakistan is a secular country. What Sharia law does it implement? The judicial system is based on Old English law. It is a supposed to be a ''democracy'' and at times it's a ''military-dictatorship'', and in both instances religion is devoid from Governance.

Pakistan was created as a Muslim country in the Partition. I have a gripe with those who want to enforce their ideas on the rest of us and change the nature of the country. Don't let us stop you from leaving the country and go and live in secular countries and that is if they let you in.

We in A.K only put up with deprivation from Pakistan for one reason; not that it has done anything worthwhile in terms of Investment; it's because of Islam. Allah forbids us from separating from other Muslms. However, if Pakistan wants to be more KUFFR, then we will seek independence and we know how to get it.

Define Sharia? What do you mean by it? And as we're talking about it, just to be clear, do we mean Deobandi Shariah, Barelvi Shariah, Wahabi Shariah or Shia Shariah?

 

[M.SAAD]

I thought Pakistan is a secular country. What Sharia law does it implement? The judicial system is based on Old English law. It is a supposed to be a ''democracy'' and at times it's a ''military-dictatorship'', and in both instances religion is devoid from Governance.

Pakistan was created as a Muslim country in the Partition. I have a gripe with those who want to enforce their ideas on the rest of us and change the nature of the country. Don't let us stop you from leaving the country and go and live in secular countries and that is if they let you in.

We in A.K only put up with deprivation from Pakistan for one reason; not that it has done anything worthwhile in terms of Investment; it's because of Islam. Allah forbids us from separating from other Muslms. However, if Pakistan wants to be more KUFFR, then we will seek independence and we know how to get it.

Mate, secularism doesn't mean that a country wants to become a Kuffar nation or something or will change the nature of the country, it'll still remain a Muslim majority country ffs. .. get your understanding right..


Secularism just makes sure state affairs to be separate from religion, as it creates further confusion and problems ..


Anyway, If most people in Pakistan are happy with the 'so called' Islamic Republic than so be it..

 

[Sugarcane]

I don't mind keeping "Islamic Republic" with name - Just make necessary amendments to stop discrimination, and revise penal code to meet 21st century requirements rather than sticking to 7th century or colonial era.

 

[Max Pain]

Honestly, not trolling, just this question,"Wouldn't a lot of people question the very purpose of creation of Pakistan then ?"

Look at the Picture of Muhammad Ali Jinnah?
whats the first thing that you notice about his looks?

secondly, Pakistan was supposed to be the country where muslims could practice their faith freely,that we got.
as stated by Quaid E Azam Himself
“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”

Pakistan Remained a Secular State for quite a while before 56 constitution where the name got changed,Pakistan was declared "Islamic Republic Of Pakistan" much later....
so yeah in reply to your Query, The purpose of Creation isnt lost.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

why u people think it will change anything in reality it will make matters worse
extremist parties will pop up and the uneducated masses will support them right now no fanatic will be elected but same cant be said in the other system
take india for instance
the better option is to abolish islamic ideological council and upgrade the penal code to the standards of 21st century bring legislation against descrimination on the basis of religion
and if any of u thinks such a refrundum would even get 10%votes doesnt know the mentality of a common pakistani

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Define Sharia? What do you mean by it? And as we're talking about it, just to be clear, do we mean Deobandi Shariah, Barelvi Shariah, Wahabi Shariah or Shia Shariah?

All the above only differ on aqeedah and not on Sharia! I would class myself as a Sufi, but the Sharia as I have explained to you on another post is; Judicial, Economic, Political, Social and Economic.

It saddens me that when it comes to Islam, people make so many excuses. For example: Oh I can't pray, my clothes are not clean, etc

 

[Kompromat]

Changing name won't do shit, people need to change their mentality and be more tolerant.

Couldn't agree more, secularism is nothing but a lie states sell to their people.

An Islamic Pakistan is more tolerant than a secular India as per a recent research. We need to reform the existing system.

The killers of Liaquat Ali Khan killed secular Pakistan and created a Islamic Pakistan soon after?

Your views?
@Atanz
@Irfan Baloch

Pakistan was declared an Islamic Republic in 1956 constitution. Not in 1973. Though the latter provided a democratic ratification.

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

Couldn't agree more, secularism is nothing but a lie states sell to their people.

An Islamic Pakistan is more tolerant than a secular India as per a recent research. We need to reform the existing system.

Secularism, esp. declared one, eventually leads to kanjar khanna on epic scale. Every concept comes with its own baggage. Dont take my word for it. Test it.

 

[SHAMK9]

Secularism, esp. declared one, eventually leads to kanjar khanna on epic scale.

Can you explain yourself?

 

[Areesh]

Can you explain yourself?

May be he took India as a role model while writing that post.

 

[SHAMK9]

“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the State.”

This is the Pakistan i wish/live to see. Hope I can experience it in my life time.