Saudis make Maldives land grab to secure oil routes to China

[Itachi]

@The SC Glaciers are indeed melting at a faster rate than water being evaporated. So sea levels are definitely rising. Tokyo's gotta worry about it, Bangladesh gotta worry about it (~10-30% of it can/will be underwater in between 2050-2075). Heck New York is already planning on building low-cost strong steel/iron like alloy barriers around the NYC coast. Some estimates say 50% of NYC can be underwater in between 2050-2100

Any country with a coast line has to worry about it, especially island-nations like the Maldives cuz they will be the first ones to go under water.


I hope I can visit Hawaii before it goes underwater.

 

[The SC]

@The SC Glaciers are indeed melting at a faster rate than water being evaporated. So sea levels are definitely rising. Tokyo's gotta worry about it, Bangladesh gotta worry about it (~10-30% of it can/will be underwater in between 2050-2075). Heck New York is already planning on building low-cost strong steel/iron like alloy barriers around the NYC coast. Some estimates say 50% of NYC can be underwater in between 2050-2100

Any country with a coast line has to worry about it, especially island-nations like the Maldives cuz they will be the first ones to go under water.


I hope I can visit Hawaii before it goes underwater.

The Netherlands is the lowest country in Europe, they had the same threat, but there are civil engineering solutions that have already been implemented and they seem to work just fine..
Hawaii is a good choice for vacations..

But isn't he right? This Saudi project will hurt Gwadar port.

They do not interfere wit each other at all..

with all due respect everyone even our coastal line is threatened by it
but i think your concept about global warming needs little correction
water evaporates at 100 degree Celsius but freezes at 0 degree Celsius
our planets average temperature is 25-30 degree celsius i.e much closer to melting point then boiling one
and changes in global temprature are minute i.e 2-3 celsius per decade
so these minute changes are way more effective on the melting of glaciers and have almost negligible effect on vaporization as100 degree celsius is way more perhaps if the trend kept going in next century we will be taking under consideration the boiling point rather than melting poitn
regards
P.S dont want to derail the thread as what to be discussed i've already posted and you have answered

In stark contrast to the real story of sea level rise, climate scientists who favor the theory of man-made global warming are saying that global sea levels have been dramatically rising and are now on the verge of flooding the Earth and reeking havoc on coastal cities. They predict, based on the latest climate computer models, that in the not-to-distant future worldwide sea levels will rise catastrophically, thereby flooding many of Earth’s waterfront cities. This man-made global warming-induced sea level rise will reach its full effect in ~100 years.

Really?

Apparently their models have used either “adjusted” data or data from very selective short time periods when sea level rise rates varied relative to the overall, very consistent historical trend. This selective data computer modelling technique was utilized and even remotely plausible until the year 1998. That’s when the current 18.7 year pause in atmospheric temperatures began. Utilizing selective climate computer modelling techniques in the post-temperature “pause” era is risky at best, and some would say highly misleading.

As further evidence that Earth’s littoral cities are in grave danger of flooding, global warming climate scientists cite examples of significant sea level rise and disastrous flooding at select coastal cities. These intentionally selected locations may appear to be strong evidence that sea level rise is indeed a huge problem. However, there is much more to the story concerning what is really causing these localized sea-level rises.

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Decorum is the process of practicing good taste and propriety. It is an especially important attribute when reviewing other scientists work, because it allows us to open our minds to other possibilities. However, in the case of recent national mainstream media stories that improperly portray the scientific aspects of sea level change, it’s a struggle to maintain that level of professional civility.

This is especially true when the real story of sea level rise is drowned out by fantastical notions and driven by an overeager complacent media who’s primary goal is to separate you from your money. Remember, headlines sell papers, papers sell ads, and worse, you’re only a click away from feeding their coffers. Keep that in mind the next time you read some ridiculous story about mankind’s eventual demise under an ocean of invisible water.
http://climatechangedispatch.com/the-real-story-of-sea-level-rise-the-media-won-t-tell-you/

We are still talking about the Maldives and if these projects will be feasible. anyhow the funny thing is that KSA wants a lease for 99 years,that will end just as the floods will start..

The article is a good read and shows how relative are these prediction depending on location..

Note: 100 degree Celsius is the boiling temperature for water!
There is also evidence that the Arctic is taking more ice, so there seems to be some equilibrium..

 

[Itachi]

The Netherlands is the lowest country in Europe, they had the same threat, but there are civil engineering solutions that have already been implemented and they seem to work just fine..

True but I don't see Bangladesh employing that method for it's entire coastline. It'll be too big/expensive a project. I don't think Bangladesh's economy would be able to handle it. Either way, the future is not written in stone yet.

Also, the water level change will be drastic (rise of 50-100 meters in sea level). On the other hand, the tallest dikes in the Netherlands themselves are only 20-30 meters high.

Netherlands itself has over a century of experience in combating flooding + flood control. It started it's flood controlling projects at the start of the 19th century. Bangladesh on the other hand has no such experience & will likely have to consult overseas engineers, companies & governments for help.

It has been estimated that it costed the Netherlands over $250 billion to make & maintain the dikes since they started a century back. Bangladesh on the other hand has no such money lying around & worse, it doesn't even have a basic plan against floods. 2050 or even 2035 is just around the corner.

Plus, Bangladesh has way more coastline & river deltas to project barriers over than the Netherlands ever does. Thus increasing the costs of the project(s) exponentially.

Here's a sample of what Bangladesh has to do:-

<Defense of Netherlands

Not only are preliminary barriers enough, secondary and 3rd or even 4th degree barriers are needed. Plus, you have to use pumps to push back the water into the sea/ocean (thus requiring electricity) & adding further to the costs.

Simple example of flood control. The water in between the 1st & 2nd dike has to be constantly pumped out of the artificial lake so that if more water is coming in, the lake will be able to accommodate that, otherwise the water will spill over the dikes and into villages/cities/towns.

^Look how easily a season of heavy rains or the regular monsoons of Bangladesh can easily tip the water over this barrier above.

Talking about monsoons, the Netherlands doesn't even face that while Bangladesh does.

Simply put, the Bengalis & their hired engineers will have to also take into account the annual rainfalls, torrential rains, regular/sporadic floods & monsoons. They will have to make dams, reservoirs, etc thus further adding to the cost.

I suspect that the project(s) will be above $500 billion. Much over Bangladesh's capacity.

The only viable reason I see for Bangladesh is to reunite itself with Pakistan (literally or just economically) and have it's butt saved in the future.





P.S> Sorry for the long topic derailing post. But I have a Ph.D in Environmental Science (actually no, just studied it thoroughly grades 11-12th) .

Hawaii is a good choice for vacations..

Thank You

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

psst .. it to surround India from 3 front