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I enjoyed your answers , you are totally influenced by western culture,education and civilization.You could not differentiate between the right and wrong and draw line between them until you clarify your concepts about basic fundamentals of islam.

I don't need religion to tell me whats right or wrong, all i need is a little common sense and thought. Its not my influence of western culture more so than my idea of universal laws which I believe every individual is born with. God has given me a brain which i love using very much, i don't need to waste it by looking for answers about how to live my life in old archaic scriptures, a little thought and common sense goes along way.

Sick person can not do treatment of his sickness himself :agree:

Yes i am mentally sick and need treatment, a nice dose of religous insulation will get the job done.

The western civilization,culture and knowledge is based on human observation and conclusions which always have the chances of mistakes

The islamic laws are perfect based on knowledge of Allah who created this universe could not be wrong.

Yes the results are pretty evident... Allah the Perfect created Man the imperfect and than blames Man for not being perfect.

I suggest you spend few days in Raiwind tableegi markaz ,just for experience and get the taste of true Islam .

I don't retreat behind religous curtains when i can not counter arguments or i fail to bring up a proper conversation.

I could not explain you the taste of apple , you have to eat it :agree:

Last time that happened Humanity came from the Gardens of Paradise to this God forsaken Planet (which apparently i love very much), lets not make the same mistake shall we :disagree:

In the end i will say darkness has no existance , it is due to absence of light.

That light is very real and not far, that light doesn't lie in the metaphysical realm but very much so here. That light is very easy to find actually its called Reason :woot:
 
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The Israel Air Force is planning to participate in aerial exercises in the US and Europe in the coming months.

It is believed pilots will be trained for long-range flights as a precautionary measure against possible Iranian attacks and in test-runs for potential strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities.

IAF planes will take part in a joint aerial exercise with NATO forces in Europe and the US.

On Sunday, US Vice-President, Joe Biden, told ABC television the US would not stand in the way militarily if the Israelis decided they needed to attack Iran's nuclear facilities.
He said: "The US cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do. Israel can determine for itself - it's a sovereign nation - what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else."

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he would prefer to see Iran's nuclear program stopped through diplomacy, but has not ruled out a military strike.

Iran and Arabs has also right to attack Israel, US should not interfer in that case also?
 
Israel's just looking for more trouble and nothing else, i highly doubt it will attack Iran. There is to much at stake here, i believe this is just media rhetoric for the time being.
 
Israel's just looking for more trouble and nothing else, i highly doubt it will attack Iran. There is to much at stake here, i believe this is just media rhetoric for the time being.

Israel already got the green signal as you can see from my above post, i think within few months there will be a attack on Iran , but this time it will be joint operation of US and Israel.

Iran is only few months away from getting nuke capability.

http://www.pipelinenews.org/2009/Iranian-Nuke-Bomb-Possibly-Only-6-Months-Away.html
 
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Israel's just looking for more trouble and nothing else, i highly doubt it will attack Iran. There is to much at stake here, i believe this is just media rhetoric for the time being.

Obama visited Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Turkey. I think Iran was the main topic of Obama's visit to the Arab country's. Also, there is a lot of activity at the Diego Garcia base. More B-2's seem to be arriving at the base over the last month. Maybe Israel will attack Iran with our help. No other explanation for the massive amount of B-2's at Diego Garcia.:coffee:
 
I do just love this thread.. :rofl: It has so much enlightenment :lol:


1. Saudi Arabia has not given either covertly or overtly permission for Israel to fly in its air space for a military attack on Iran.

2. Biden did not give a green light for an Israel attack. That is the way the media tried to put it but he also said the US will look after the US‘s interests. Israel bombing Iran is not surprisingly in the US’s interests.

3. Any air attack by Israel is bound to falter ads most if not all Iran nuclear facilities are underground or fully bomb protected.

4. If Israel can not fly across Saudi Arabia or any other nation they just can not do it.

5. The US will not help Israel.

6. If Israel goes ahead and bombs Iran, they have a huge chance about 99% of loosing most of their current support they receive from the US. No military or financial support, no Israel. They know this so will not be doing a thing.
 
I do just love this thread.. :rofl: It has so much enlightenment :lol:

Its mean you have good sense of humour:D

1. Saudi Arabia has not given either covertly or overtly permission for Israel to fly in its air space for a military attack on Iran.

Why Israel will use Saudi Air space when Iraq is still under US occupation?
2. Biden did not give a green light for an Israel attack. That is the way the media tried to put it but he also said the US will look after the US‘s interests. Israel bombing Iran is not surprisingly in the US’s interests.

If Iran develop nuke bomb then arabs will also develop , which Israel dont want.:agree:


3. Any air attack by Israel is bound to falter ads most if not all Iran nuclear facilities are underground or fully bomb protected.

Israel have solution for this ? latest bombs can penetrate through 15 meter concret bunkers.:agree:

4. If Israel can not fly across Saudi Arabia or any other nation they just can not do it.

Saudia may be the better return route?:tsk:

5. The US will not help Israel.

Why? :hitwall:

6. If Israel goes ahead and bombs Iran, they have a huge chance about 99% of loosing most of their current support they receive from the US. No military or financial support, no Israel. They know this so will not be doing a thing.

Majority US senators are in Favour of Israel ,It is in favour of US to support Israel , banking ,politics and media of US is in control of jew lobby.
 
I think its true upto certain extent if Israeli jets will fly over Saudi than they wont do much as they are pretty much self centered .. Esp the current royal family is too worried about their monarchy.. Just in case i hope not but if we say Israel goes and attack Iran and ruin their nuclear plant what can iran do? I mean the nearest is Lebonan and the border btw is secured by un soldiers ! Hamas cant do much as they are low tech .... i dont see if Iran can damage much in Israel !!?
 
Stop it. :lol:You are making me laugh too much. :rofl:

1. Saudi Arabia has not given either covertly or overtly permission for Israel to fly in its air space for a military attack on Iran.
Why should Israel use Saudi Air space when Iraq is still under US occupation?

Iraq has it own duly elected government and the US is not running Iraq.
Now Iraq government may give such permission but they will have to wear the consequence of that decision. AT present they have enough problems dealing with their own internal problems and are in no position to deal with an annoyed Iran.

2. Biden did not give a green light for an Israel attack. That is the way the media tried to put it but he also said the US will look after the US‘s interests. Israel bombing Iran is not surprisingly in the US’s interests.
If Iran develop nuke bomb then arabs will also develop , which Israel dont want.

Well that is possibly something Israel should have considered when they decided to go nuclear themselves. It’s a bit like a disease.

3. Any air attack by Israel is bound to falter ads most if not all Iran nuclear facilities are underground or fully bomb protected.
Israel have solution for this ? latest bombs can penetrate through 15 meter concret bunkers.

They still have to deliver it and they still have to get through the Iranian air defence in sufficient numbers to be effective. Lost of IFs

4. If Israel can not fly across Saudi Arabia or any other nation they just can not do it.
Saudia may be the better return route?

If you cannot fly over Saudi Arabia to get there you can not use it to fly back.

5. The US will not help Israel.
Why?

It is not in the US’s interests. Contrary to some people’s beliefs, the US has no intension of actually doing any military intent toward Iran. It is counter productive. If the US had any desire to act military it would have done it by now. It is all about timing.

6. If Israel goes ahead and bombs Iran, they have a huge chance about 99% of loosing most of their current support they receive from the US. No military or financial support, no Israel. They know this so will not be doing a thing.
Majority US senators are in Favour of Israel ,It is in favour of US to support Israel , banking ,politics and media of US is in control of jew lobby.

It makes no difference. If it clashes with US policy and intent for US policy no lobby group is going to persuade the US Congress or Senate to still fork out money for Israel. It is a no brainer.
If the US is not going to green light the whole thing why would the US still provide assistance to Israel? This means Israel has gone and done something that has disrupted US policy and possibly caused problems for the US. In the past when Israel when and bombed the Iraq and Syrian plants they were in a basic development stage, non operational. Iran has operational plants. The regional fallout effect is disastrous.

Also think a bit. If Israel bombs Iran plants and does not put all plants out of commission then Iran is still partly operational. Then Iran will get the bomb.
Also Israel bombing Iran will just up the support that Iran gets from both Russia and China. Not something the US wants to happen.
At present these two countries have some nominal input to the region. Bomb Iran and that nominal input will rise very fast.

You can bomb Iran to your hearts content in this forum but in reality you can’t.
 
I think its true upto certain extent if Israeli jets will fly over Saudi than they wont do much as they are pretty much self centered .. Esp the current royal family is too worried about their monarchy.. Just in case i hope not but if we say Israel goes and attack Iran and ruin their nuclear plant what can iran do? I mean the nearest is Lebonan and the border btw is secured by un soldiers ! Hamas cant do much as they are low tech .... i dont see if Iran can damage much in Israel !!?

Iran has long range missiles could target Israel. Israel missile defence system is still under development.
 
I do just love this thread.. :rofl: It has so much enlightenment :lol:


1. Saudi Arabia has not given either covertly or overtly permission for Israel to fly in its air space for a military attack on Iran.

2. Biden did not give a green light for an Israel attack. That is the way the media tried to put it but he also said the US will look after the US‘s interests. Israel bombing Iran is not surprisingly in the US’s interests.

3. Any air attack by Israel is bound to falter ads most if not all Iran nuclear facilities are underground or fully bomb protected.

4. Israel can not fly across Saudi Arabia or any other nation they just can not do it.

5. The US will not help Israel.

6. If Israel goes ahead and bombs Iran, they have a huge chance about 99% of loosing most of their current support they receive from the US. No military or financial support, no Israel. They know this so will not be doing a thing.

I have never read such comic in my life !

4. Israel can not fly across Saudi Arabia or any other nation they just can not do it.

Could you, Ratus Ratus, tell me How did Israel managed to bomb
Iraq's Osirak Nuclear Research Facility back in 1981 ?

Did they teleport from Israel to Iraq and back again ?

Israel Bombs Iraq's Osirak Nuclear Research Facility

Here is a hint:
Israeli Air Power Dominates Middle East

and what about Israel continuely invading Lebanse airspace
Please quit with useless post.
 
I have never read such comic in my life !

4. Israel can not fly across Saudi Arabia or any other nation they just can not do it.

Could you, Ratus Ratus, tell me How did Israel managed to bomb
Iraq's Osirak Nuclear Research Facility back in 1981 ?

Did they teleport from Israel to Iraq and back again ?

Israel Bombs Iraq's Osirak Nuclear Research Facility

Here is a hint:
Israeli Air Power Dominates Middle East

and what about Israel continuely invading Lebanse airspace
Please quit with useless post.

Good point,keep it up:agree:

Israel has now developed long range nuke missiles , much better option?


Israel tests new long-range missile - USATODAY.com
 
I dont think so :disagree:. If Israel can take down Egypt, Jordan, Syria in 6 days dealing with Iran is no big deal mate. Take it from me, Israel is on determined nation.

Xebex If Israel is so strong why havent they taken down Hamas for the last 10 years and How is Israel going to attack Iran when they can't even defeat Hezbollah back in summer 2006 ?

The IDF Should Do The Numbers

Don't forget Iran supports Hezbollah Military and has given crappy rocket that has taken down their adv equipment. What did Israel do, ran and hide as soon as they saw Katosha Rockets ? Will they be doing the same with Iran ?
Come on History speaks for itself.
 
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My dear brother and sister first of all Iran will never attach on holy cities of Saudi Arabia. Saudi’s are bunch of pussy, excuse my language. This is really shameful that they said they will ignore them if the fly over Saudi Arabia to attach Iran. Are they also going to do if Israel come for Makkah and Madina? I think Saudi’s just better shut their mouth and drink their Ghawa (Coffee) while sitting on their fat butt. They are good for nothing. Why they need to open their mouth and say something like this. Shameful.
 
I sadden me to see some of our Muslim bros having ill wish that Iran should get attack by Zion with Saudis help. It's so sad that it's pathetic. Why the hell are we having so much ill wish for our fellow Muslims brothers????:cry:

Lets not isolate our Iranian brother from main stream Islam as they are second class where reality is it could be other way around as most of so called Sunni nations does not even have the balls to stand up against west aggression while Iranian are standing tall alone. It's time for us to unite as one instead of further division.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the modest and simplest Islamic leader who happen to follow the lifestyle of our khalifs.:)



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Al-zakir
come back to reality If you want to see brotherly love from Iranians then its up to them but there is no point opening your arms if they gonna come up with guns and knifes.

before anything else here something to read that is the most hilarious event in this still very young century :

Iran Secretly Helped U.S. Bomb Taliban Units, Find Al Qaeda

By Jeff Stein

May 31, 2009 "CQ" May 28, 2009 -- Iran supplied U.S. diplomats with the location of Taliban military units in Afghanistan after the initial bombing campaign in the fall of 2001 failed to rout them, according to former officials in the George W. Bush administration.

The Islamic regime also gave the Bush administration "really substantive cooperation" on al Qaeda after the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks, at one point providing Washington with a list of 220 suspects and their whereabouts, said one official, former White House National Security Council Iran expert Hillary Mann Leverett.

Leverett said that in December 2002, after the U.S. gave Tehran the names of five al Qaeda suspects it believed were in Iran, the regime found two, which they delivered to the U.S. air base at Baghram, in Afghanistan.

But the budding relationship died on the vine.

Hardliners in the Bush administration prohibited Mann and Ryan Crocker, two of the principal diplomats dealing with the Iranians, from building on the contacts to pursue al Qaeda.

And then a month later, President Bush labeled Iran part of an "axis of evil," lumping it with North Korea and Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

But even then, Leverett said, Tehran continued to provide Washington with intelligence on al Qaeda and expel them from Iran.

"They deported hundreds of [al Qaeda] people," she said.

At the same time, Bush officials were accusing Iran of harboring al Qaeda terrorists - a claim they and their allies continued to make until the end of the administration.

But Leverett, backed up by other officials, tells an entirely different story.

"The foreign ministry took the evidence - passports, vital information - and gave us pages and even a chart showing the disposition or what they'd done with each person," broken down by "those who had been turned away at the border, or been detained or deported," she said.

At one point the Iranian foreign ministry asked the Americans to help it set up "a mechanism" to help it deport Egyptian suspects to Cairo, with which it had no diplomatic relations, Leverett said Thursday by telephone.

But White House hardliners rejected the idea of helping Iran in any way, she said.

"We said, 'Too bad, you're evil. You'll be a target yourself if you don't just get rid of them.'"

Richard N. Haass, the State Department's chief of planning at the time, was also frustrated that Bush officials were scuttling Iranian attempts at rapprochement, which he and others believed might have led to a "grand bargain" on other thorny issues.

"We couldn't get support from the NSC, the Pentagon, from the Vice president's office. And in every case we ran up against this belief in regime change," Haass said in a BBC documentary that aired in the U.K. in February.

"Iran and the West" has yet to be televised here, and a spokesperson for PBS, the usual venue for such fare, said the public broadcasting network has no plans to pick it up.

In the third segment of the three-part documentary, Leverett described the Iranians' secret offer to help the American bombers destroy Taliban units in the fall of 2001.

"The Iranians were willing to do whatever was necessary to help ensure that the U.S. military campaign [against the Taliban] could succeed," Leverett told the BBC.

She had previously described some of the back channel meetings with Iran in an October 2007 story by John H. Richardson in Esquire magazine.

But neither that nor the BBC's "Iran and the West" documentary has elicited detectable news media interest here, despite its incessant descriptions of Iran as an uncompromising, implacable foe.

Iran's hardliners, led by "Holocaust-denying, Israel-hating, America-bashing" Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, appear to hold the upper hand now, but things could change in elections two weeks from now.

Iran's president in 2001, Mohammad Khatami, sought to get around the hardliners and establish better relations with Washington.

"He had sought reconciliation with America (before), but his political opponents stopped him," the BBC reported. "With America poised to attack the Taliban, he had a chance to win the argument in the parliament."

"The Taliban was our enemy," Khatami explains on the program. "America thought the Taliban was their enemy too. If they toppled the Taliban, it would serve the interests of Iran."

Iran had discreetly offered help to Washington right after the 9/11 attacks, Leverett and other officials say.

But nothing happened until November.

American heavy bombers had been pounding Taliban units for weeks, but the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance rebels were still bottled up.

One of the Iranians Leverett was meeting with lost his temper over the stalemate, she says. He began pounding the table.

"And then he took out a map, and he unfurled the map on the table, and started to point at targets that the U.S. needed to focus on, particularly in the north," Mann said. "We took the map to CENTCOM, the US Central Command, and certainly that became the US military strategy."

Said Colin Powell, Secretary of State at the time: "We took a fourth-world force, the Northern Alliance, riding horses, walking, living off the land, and married them up with a first world air force. And it worked."

Leverett told Esquire that Khatami's representatives believed that helping the U.S. defeat the Taliban - and al Qaeda - would help bridge a quarter-century long estrangement marked by hostage taking, terrorism, name calling and outrage over Iran's clandestine nuclear program.

"They specifically told me time and again that they were doing this because they understood the impact of this attack on the U.S., and they thought that if they helped us unconditionally, that would be the way to change the dynamic for the first time in twenty-five years," Leverett said.

Obviously, any chance was lost.

Bush officials have refused to discuss the issue. When Leverett submitted a piece she had written for the New York Times about her U.S.-Iran contacts to administration censors, swaths were blacked out. (The Times printed it that way.)

"They said it was classified," she said by telephone Thursday. "But nothing had ever been written down."



    Iran supplied U.S. diplomats with the location of Taliban military units in Afghanistan after the initial bombing campaign in the fall of 2001 failed to rout them, according to former officials in the George W. Bush administration.               

Did Iran honestly thought that America will allow them to have nukes inorder to betray their bothers in Afganistan ?

Wheres the Brotherly love now Al-zakir ?
 

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