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These Saudi Arabs could give the Bengali's run for their money.
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These Saudi Arabs could give the Bengali's run for their money.
What an idiotic thread by this obsessed Pashtun. He might take a look at the wonderful state of his native lands today and their equally "wonderful" state 100 years ago.
You are making a thread about KSA before oil was discovered and in order to do so you are posting black and white photos of a one of the few people who lived/live in the Rub' al-Khali (empty Quarter) in the Southernmost part of KSA (Najran)? Afro-Arabs mostly. How is that remotely representative?
Here are some photos of the isolated (historically too) and impoverished Pashtun inhabited areas of mighty Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan.
Mind you my post shows Peshawar (largest Pashtun city back then too) and not a bunch of nomads in the Rub' al Khali.
I could post some 100 year old photos of Pashtun Kuchi nomads (if they even exist) but I can do with recent ones instead to prove the point.
You are trying to belittle people who created 3 of the 11 largest empires (more than any other ethic group in the top 15) who hailed from modern-day KSA and Arabia, who ruled most of the Muslim world for 800 years and whose linguistic, religious, cultural, architectural, military etc. influence is only rivaled by that of very few other peoples.
As for wealth, Arabia was one of the richest areas of the planet millennia before oil was even discovered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incense_Route
You are also trying to portray Arabia, the second longest inhabited place on planet earth and home to some of the oldest recorded civilizations and cities, and to almost 20 World UNESCO Heritage Sites alone, as the equivalent of your native lands (Pashtun inhabited lands of Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan).
But yes, most of modern-day KSA was poor and survived on agriculture, livestock, sea trade etc. and sparsely populated compared to today but which region of the Middle East and Muslim world was not that? You can find such photos and worse in each country of the region and Muslim world back then. Be it Albania or Indonesia.
Those obsessive clowns think that Arab history began 100 years ago so in order to somehow "prove" that, contrary to logic, history, facts and everything else, they nitpick by posting black and white photos of mostly Afro-Arabs living on the edge of the Rub' al-Khali. What this is supposed to proof nobody knows but I don't think it is should be a surprise that what is modern-day KSA and all of the Muslim world 100 years ago, especially on the countryside or when nomadic peoples are used as an example whatever their ethnicity, was mostly poor agricultural/livestock based economies and that most people, especially villagers, lived simple lives.
At least there were no famines in what is modern-day KSA, people were independent (not under foreign rule) and they somehow survived rather effortlessly compared to many other regions of the Muslim world back then. Moreover that time period was one of the worst in Middle Eastern history.
A few examples:
Killed 3 million people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_famine_of_1917-1918
Killed as many as 8-10 million people (over 50% of the population)
I wonder how it was back then for such a thing to occur. Probably everyone else in the Muslim world lived as people do in Dubai too.
the thread itself was opened with racist intention... probably some fight in other thread spilled over.few posts here reeks of racism.
Cities back than have such large populations and people lived inside walled fortsAnyway KSA is the size of Western Europe (12th largest country on the planet) and is home to numerous historical regions which have their own unique culture and history. Life in metropolitan Hijaz 100 years ago or Eastern Arabia differed greatly from that of farmer or average villager in say Najd. Or from genuine Bedouins (who roamed the deserts, steppes, plains and mountains on their own) who lived on their own as other nomadic peoples did 100 years ago across the world and as some continue to do today across the world.
Anyway this below for instance is a traditional Najdi village and traditional Najdi houses.
Such a village relied on farming, agriculture, livestock and trade. I do not see how such a village and village live differed from village live 100 years back anywhere in the Muslim world or world for that matter.
In the coastal regions of KSA (over 3000 km of coastline) be it in Hijaz or Eastern Arabia, fishing, was a great source of income. In Eastern Arabia pearl fishing too. Anyway trade was the greatest source of income overall though regardless of region.
Houses were either made by mud, bricks, wood or stones or a combination.
Examples of one such traditional village (Ushaiger)
Then you had typical traditional mountain villages (half of KSA is covered with mountains) and houses like those below . Very common in Hijaz and Southern KSA.
Or ancient port towns like Jeddah and its old quarter (a World UNESCO Heritage Site today) which for the past 1400 years has been a gateway to Makkah and Madinah thus welcoming Muslims from all corners of the Muslim world.
In the North you have a more "Levantine" feel (given that parts of Northern KSA belong to Levant historically and it neighbors Southern Levant directly) in the cities and a common thing for instance is the prevalence of olive fields.
etc. etc. etc.
@LfcRed
May I also finally add that Arabia is one of the richest areas of the world in terms of minerals, gold and natural resources in general outside of just oil and gas?
In Hijaz you can find the oldest continuously working gold mine (5000 years) and the largest in the Middle East called Mahd adh Dhahab. It was known locally and in the region as the cradle of gold.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahd_adh_Dhahab
What an idiotic thread by this obsessed Pashtun. He might take a look at the wonderful state of his native lands today and their equally "wonderful" state 100 years ago.
You are making a thread about KSA before oil was discovered and in order to do so you are posting black and white photos of a one of the few people who lived/live in the Rub' al-Khali (empty Quarter) in the Southernmost part of KSA (Najran)? Afro-Arabs mostly. How is that remotely representative?
Here are some photos of the isolated (historically too) and impoverished Pashtun inhabited areas of mighty Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan.
In 1935, a dangerous earthquake changed the shape of the city and thousands of people died within a few seconds and the beautiful city was badly damaged with thousands of people becoming homeless.
Probably hindus...1880
atalbrave: A Kuchi family (Pashtun nomads) gather before a fire, baking bread. #AFGHANISTAN. National Geographic. https://t.co/TEfClDjESB - 2016-07-18 11:41:14
Kutchi are nomads/gypsies...Mind you my post shows Peshawar (largest Pashtun city back then too) and not a bunch of nomads in the Rub' al Khali.
I could post some 100 year old photos of Pashtun Kuchi nomads (if they even exist) but I can do with recent ones instead to prove the point.
You are trying to belittle people who created 3 of the 11 largest empires (more than any other ethic group in the top 15) who hailed from modern-day KSA and Arabia, who ruled most of the Muslim world for 800 years and whose linguistic, religious, cultural, architectural, military etc. influence is only rivaled by that of very few other peoples..
The Pot is calling the kettle black... Before discovery of oil, your Saudis and other Bedouin tribes were living in tents, with camels, sheeps and goats as livestock......What an idiotic thread by this obsessed Pashtun. He might take a look at the wonderful state of his native lands today and their equally "wonderful" state 100 years ago.
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If I'm not mistaken then the royal Saud family have got roots in current day Yemen, maybe that's why.
Interesting thread by the thread starter and some quite interesting pictures thanks to good old camera
Thankfully majority of Saudia now has Education and the cities and villages are educated still have some way to go with certain aspects of society but what a change in 100 years
What is the relation between Saudis and Yamanis the attire these folks have look very similar to Yameni
The Pot is calling the kettle black... Before discovery of oil, your Saudis and other Bedouin tribes were living in tents, with camels, sheeps and goats as livestock......
We are in the same shoes , my "Muslim" brother
If I'm not mistaken then the royal Saud family have got roots in current day Yemen, maybe that's why.
What does his point got to do anything with Pashtun history? The photos you've posted are of Kuchis who're nomads: the type of people who would rent or sell their lands and travel throughout Pashtun areas at different seasons. They weren't poor, they were in fact known as one of the richest Pashtuns who CHOOSE life as travellers.What an idiotic thread by this obsessed Pashtun. He might take a look at the wonderful state of his native lands today and their equally "wonderful" state 100 years ago.
You are making a thread about KSA before oil was discovered and in order to do so you are posting black and white photos of a one of the few people who lived/live in the Rub' al-Khali (empty Quarter) in the Southernmost part of KSA (Najran)? Afro-Arabs mostly. How is that remotely representative?
Here are some photos of the isolated (historically too) and impoverished Pashtun inhabited areas of mighty Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan.
Mind you my post shows Peshawar (largest Pashtun city back then too) and not a bunch of nomads in the Rub' al Khali.
I could post some 100 year old photos of Pashtun Kuchi nomads (if they even exist) but I can do with recent ones instead to prove the point.
You are trying to belittle people who created 3 of the 11 largest empires (more than any other ethic group in the top 15) who hailed from modern-day KSA and Arabia, who ruled most of the Muslim world for 800 years and whose linguistic, religious, cultural, architectural, military etc. influence is only rivaled by that of very few other peoples.
As for wealth, Arabia was one of the richest areas of the planet millennia before oil was even discovered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incense_Route
You are also trying to portray Arabia, the second longest inhabited place on planet earth and home to some of the oldest recorded civilizations and cities, and to almost 20 World UNESCO Heritage Sites alone, as the equivalent of your native lands (Pashtun inhabited lands of Afghanistan and Northwestern Pakistan).
But yes, most of modern-day KSA was poor and survived on agriculture, livestock, sea trade etc. and sparsely populated compared to today but which region of the Middle East and Muslim world was not that? You can find such photos and worse in each country of the region and Muslim world back then. Be it Albania or Indonesia.
Those obsessive clowns think that Arab history began 100 years ago so in order to somehow "prove" that, contrary to logic, history, facts and everything else, they nitpick by posting black and white photos of mostly Afro-Arabs living on the edge of the Rub' al-Khali. What this is supposed to proof nobody knows but I don't think it is should be a surprise that what is modern-day KSA and all of the Muslim world 100 years ago, especially on the countryside or when nomadic peoples are used as an example whatever their ethnicity, was mostly poor agricultural/livestock based economies and that most people, especially villagers, lived simple lives.
At least there were no famines in what is modern-day KSA, people were independent (not under foreign rule) and they somehow survived rather effortlessly compared to many other regions of the Muslim world back then. Moreover that time period was one of the worst in Middle Eastern history.
A few examples:
Killed 3 million people:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_famine_of_1917-1918
Killed as many as 8-10 million people (over 50% of the population)
I wonder how it was back then for such a thing to occur. Probably everyone else in the Muslim world lived as people do in Dubai too.
Kaptaan is a Pakistani who presents Pakistan on this forum, not Pashtuns. And who are you to ridicule Pashtuns? Of the thread maker is in the wrong then you prove so with your, and better, sources. Counter attacking Pashtuns doesn't help you cause and only proves that thread maker right about his judgement of Saudis. And Pashtuns being belittled by Pakistanis and Afghans? First of all, Pashtun treat all people with respect and they value Islamic values very much. That is the reason why on personal levels you CANNOT be compared with Pashtuns, because humanity wise they're much higher up. And no, small section under Taliban do NOT represent 50+ million Pashtuns and their way of life.Did you not read post 56 and post 58? I thought that you as an man in his 50's born and breed in the UK would understand English.
This Bertram Thomas, whoever he is, travelled mostly in the Empty Quarter (Rub al-Khali) where no human beings live expect for a few Bedouin tribes and Afro-Arabs vanished to those areas or working on farmlands on the edge of the Rub' al Khali in Najran (southernmost of KSA).
That is by no means any representation of how live was in KSA 100 years ago. For that you need to read and see post 56 and 58.
Let me quote myself again:
Everything is explained in detail. Some diplomatically, some less diplomatic but sometimes this is needed when the messenger has dug a hole in the ground that he cannot escape from. Or something about stones, glass houses etc.
I really don't want to insult an people (Pashtuns) due to 1 idiot with complexes and weird obsessions but I think I told you the ground reality a while ago but due to this being a Pakistani forum I was banned but had I written it anywhere else everyone else would have agreed with me.
Please don't compare Arabs and our history and achievements with your people, Pashtuns. Just stop as it is embarrassing. Such a comparison makes no sense and is unfair for Pashtuns quite frankly. If you asked any historian and objective person they would confirm. And trust me on my mother's life, I have nothing against Pashtuns but when a representative of them keeps trolling against Arabs when no Arab user bothers him or even interacts with him, I at one point, am forced to employ the same rhetoric and then it gets ugly. In such discussions I have nothing to "fear".
Look, I don't know you and I frankly don't care how you look at Arabs or me but please stop trying to get my attention far too often. Whatever is your problem I am not responsible for. Nor am I interested in "replying" anything in a similar manner as I simply do not care about such "discussions". Nor do I have any problem with Pashtuns for me to constantly belittle them which you face enough from already from your compatriot of other ethnicities in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
You just contradicted yourself. On one hand you claim Pashtuns don't have any history to speak of, on other hand you give in by saying you're no expert on their history. Have you heard of Khilji dynasty? Hotak dynasty? Abdali? Suri? And what their dynasties have done for their land? Why their land is called the land of unbeatable? There's a history behind it, and a very rich one too.Nor do I go around and state the obvious by creating threads showing village life 100 years ago in some desert in Afghanistan or isolated mountain village or of people living in caves or whatever as representatives of anything.
What does his point got to do anything with Pashtun history? The photos you've posted are of Kuchis who're nomads: the type of people who would rent or sell their lands and travel throughout Pashtun areas at different seasons. They weren't poor, they were in fact known as one of the richest Pashtuns who CHOOSE life as travellers.
Besides, Peshawar, Kabul and Kandahar were once known as capitals of Pashtun civilisation. Their head in charge used to be civilised and forward thinking, whereas the tribals were at forefront of any foreign invasion. Let me share just a few photos of about a century ago:
Kaptaan is a Pakistani who presents Pakistan on this forum, not Pashtuns. And who are you to ridicule Pashtuns? Of the thread maker is in the wrong then you prove so with your, and better, sources. Counter attacking Pashtuns doesn't help you cause and only proves that thread maker right about his judgement of Saudis. And Pashtuns being belittled by Pakistanis and Afghans? First of all, Pashtun treat all people with respect and they value Islamic values very much. That is the reason why on personal levels you CANNOT be compared with Pashtuns, because humanity wise they're much higher up. And no, small section under Taliban do NOT represent 50+ million Pashtuns and their way of life.
Pashtuns are respected in Pakistan, and in Afghanistan they've written history all over their places. Pashtuns in general are known for protecting their lands, culture and religious believe against foreign invasion. And this goes for ANY foreign invasion. No one was comparing Saudis with Pakistanis or Pashtuns here, but as ridiculous you've shown yourself to be, have proven yourself much more bigot and racist which you ironically claim your people are not.
You just contradicted yourself. On one hand you claim Pashtuns don't have any history to speak of, on other hand you give in by saying you're no expert on their history. Have you heard of Khilji dynasty? Hotak dynasty? Abdali? Suri? And what their dynasties have done for their land? Why their land is called the land of unbeatable? There's a history behind it, and a very rich one too.
The thread maker didn't compare Saudis with anyone, but you went on a rampage against Pashtuns for no obvious reason. Should you get banned for this then rightly so. See ya.
The first Arabian railroad track was in 1951 , and the first University in Saudi Arabia was in 1957.
Does anyone have any pics other than the ones on the internet ? I noticed one Saudi here claiming only a few lived in tents in the pre-1950 era.
Is there any pic or pics before 1950 with large buildings or monuments ? I just never saw any.