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Saudi Wahhabism Serves Western Imperialism

It never made sense. Soviets werent gunning for you as were the americans after 9/11. The americans left us with the mess after soviet withdrawal than created another by launching a war to destroy the same guys they helped created. so Yeah it never made any damn sense. To prove my point just see Pakistan before that time, how developed of a society we were and than post Zia era. You will see the difference. @Oscar
Better to be selective. One mistake he made was allowing Afghans to freely come in and freely roam about Pakistan. There could have been more care in this matter...

There is no bad luck in international arena. Its the policies that come to haunt you after years. This is what i said earlier. It was a mistake than to be a part of the US collation against the soviets when we could have entered into a tact understanding with them and this led us to make another decision joining the US war after 9/11 ( well apparently we had no choice by than) because past policies of Zia led us to that very moment.
according to some PDF members, if Pakistan did not join the war on terror, she would be bombed back to the Stone Age... I don't think the policies of Zia would have made a difference in this matter...
 
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There is no bad luck in international arena. Its the policies that come to haunt you after years. This is what i said earlier. It was a mistake than to be a part of the US collation against the soviets when we could have entered into a tact understanding with them and this led us to make another decision joining the US war after 9/11 ( well apparently we had no choice by than) because past policies of Zia led us to that very moment.
We can agree to disagree then. At that time, Pakistan and USA had common interests against the Soviets.

Perhaps the Afghan refugee problem could have been better handled.
 
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I love how all the non-Salafi Muslims cry when everyone else calls them the bad guys, but then they do the same to us Salafis.

Nifaq at it's finest.
 
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Saudi wahabism and the Iranian shiite sectarian mindset are the reasons why the Muslim world is under the boots of the non-Muslims. Saudi wahabis have been assigned the task of justifying the western colonial presence in the Muslim world in this so-called post colonial era and with the help of their Daesh terrorists they are doing it just the way their Zionazi masters want it.

What I'm confused is

Strangely I was also questioning the same things about this Wahabism
I found massive gaps , in narrative Where did this disappear to ? Stuff just don't add up
If you just go out of the Saudi area , you see a completely different view

100% common in Wedding ceremonies to have a ceremonial dance or general very very common in resturants and entertainment zones

Turkey
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Egypt
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Algerian Belly Dancer
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Persian
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Tunisian Belly Dance
Quite common happens in every day resturants
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Iraqi Belly Dancer at Wedding
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Muslim men are obsessed with these bellydancers, so they don't have time for research or scientific inventions. The result is all too clear to see.
 
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8-) I feel Saudis have , spread their own version of rules
some of rules don't make sense sometimes

:coffee: If Belly dancers exist in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt , Turkey , Syria, Iran , Secretly in Middle east it shows to me something was not properly retained or exported to EASTERN asian side. Music and Dancing was part of Islamic society but some where down the line Saudis created some changes

It's logical way to analyse history if we see dianasor bones underground , we conclude ok dinasors lived and they were real. So if we see cultural impact of belly dancing we can conclude that yes these were normal aspects of Islamic society this is why they are so common in All of North Africa , Middle East and even in Iran

And belly dancing is a common dance in family events in Arab community


Music and Orchestra was common in Ottoman Turkey (Music + Belly Dance)



Turkish STAR BUCKS before centuries ago

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The Saudization version of history is drastically different then the Open society in Turkey, Ottoman Turkey (Islamic civilizatin which lasted 624 years)
  • No Music
  • No Contact with Women
  • Women wear black ? Why Black ? Are you sad you are wearing black ?
 
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8-) I feel Saudis have , spread their own version of rules
some of rules don't make sense sometimes

:coffee: If Belly dancers exist in Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt , Turkey , Syria, Iran , Secretly in Middle east it shows to me something was not properly retained or exported to EASTERN asian side. Music and Dancing was part of Islamic society but some where down the line Saudis created some changes

It's logical way to analyse history if we see dianasor bones underground , we conclude ok dinasors lived and they were real. So if we see cultural impact of belly dancing we can conclude that yes these were normal aspects of Islamic society this is why they are so common in All of North Africa , Middle East and even in Iran

And belly dancing is a common dance in family events in Arab community


Music and Orchestra was common in Ottoman Turkey (Music + Belly Dance)



Turkish STAR BUCKS before centuries ago

turkish-coffee_620x350_81514189249.jpg


turkmusicinstruments10000yrs.jpg


The Saudization version of history is drastically different then the Open society in Turkey, Ottoman Turkey (Islamic civilizatin which lasted 624 years)
  • No Music
  • No Contact with Women
  • Women wear black ? Why Black ? Are you sad you are wearing black ?

I am in love with Turkey and the aura of divine love in the form of Hazrat Ayub Ansari RA and Hazrat Molana Rumi RA resting there.

I found many spiritual people during my trip there, people who were drowned in the love of God. It was amazing to see such passionate love Turkish people, comparable to Pakistanis, Indians and Iranians inmpursuit of love of God and hazrat Muhammad SAW.

Whenever i see Turkish spiritual side, my heat beat goes fast and my senses become sharp and my curiosity rises.

I dont know about history of dance in islam, but i do know about music, but in sufism i have seen people whirl and dance and stomp and cry.

Before i really got to know spirituality, i would get curious and analyse the movements of a person dancing in love of God:
1. I would see patterns of movement of hands, body, feet and form an equation in my head relative to time and movement of limb. (being from a technical background of Signal Analysis and cellular communication)

2. I would then then try to find probability of the same movement happening with-in same time frame.

3. Then analyse the intensity of movement of that limb(body part) in a certain rotation, cloclk wise or anti clock wise, relative to a shrine, tomb, teacher, kaa'ba, fiery lamp or anything else spiritual/religious found there. I would use that as a "constant" and term that as an originating source for the dance. There would no dance without that constant value or source.

4. The equation started to change as the constant would itself start becoming a variable, my equation changed and became more complex. The source would change colours (lamp), moods (teacher), direction (kaa'ba from different locations in different countries), shrine (weather, amount of people visiting, amount of lunger getting distributed, change of surroundings at day and night).

Finally, i realised the level of energy in the body is dictated by the amount of love, which powers up the soul and spirit and becomes dominant over the body and forces the body to move. The body doesnt want to move, the spirit wants to move, and when the amount of love crosses a certain threshold in the mind of that divine lover, the spirit governs the body and the body obeys the spirit. AT this point, all the worldly desires vanish and standing up all night and praying becomes a passion which otherwise seems a cumbersome task.

I threw away the calculus, signal processing, probability and communication modulation techniques and fell in divine love. I get in a dilemma why all day i dig deep in 4G research and trying to use parameters for improving call success, coverage, capacity, data rate improvements etc on cellular network that i'm assigned to, when in my mind i'm running after something else-> divine love.

Coming to tea, i find spiritual people very closely related to tea. They drink alot of tea, they offer a lot of tea. I was never a tea drinker, in copying my teacher, i become a tea drinker too.

The thrill of visiting a shrine is never ending, i wait to get the attention from the saint residing there. But before that im told the etiquette of visiting in humbleness and not going empty handed and then expect from the host. Offering garlands is my gesture and i close my eyes and sit in meditation posture after offering fatiha and sense if i feel or see anything with eyes closed.

After sometime, someone comes along and usually offers lunger or a fruit or garland or chaddar and thats a sign that my visit has been reciprocated. Otherwise sensing, feeling, seeing stuff invisible to other eyes cannot be discussed here.

God, i m so ecstatic now, i think i can write a poem here.

I feel i should stop writing on defence issues and only write on divine love and spirituality, stop writing on tanks and aircrafts like im wasting my time and start writing in praise of ALLAH and Hazrat Muhammad SAW, write poems on divinity of ALLAH instead of articles on Army, use my vocabulary, my passion, my love for Allah and his beloved and not on facts of electronic warfare, missiles and warfare strategies and tactics....

..because when i type words on divine love of ALLAH, i can't stop.... my heart beat can't stop...my senses erode away towards the blessings of ALLAH...my eyes long to feel his divinity wherever i look...

I am already labelled crazy, deranged, lunatic here by few members....but then again all those who are not forgotten in history were passionate about something and didnt let go of it.

I feel myself melting away in the presence of Allah near me and chirping away darood sahreef in the faintest of whispers in my heart, my eyes getting teary with probably looking at the screen and nothing else maybe for my tears are dirty and filthy from my inner worldly thoughts and not even clean to be gift wrapped and presented at the holy feet of Hazrat Muhammad SAW.

My embarrassment of my sins and my deeds haunt me from inside and all that keeps me alive is knowing that i am affiliated with Hazrat Muahmamd SAW and that i love the people who loved him like Hazrat Ayub Ansari RA and Molana Rumi and i clean their shrines with my eye-lids instead of a brush and cry at their shrines that maybe someday i can also love Hazrat Muhammad SAW the same way that they did, every second of my life.

i want to stop typing but my heart doesnt let me.

My heart pounds with the beat of ALLAH- HOO, and my thoughts fly with cool breeze coming from recitation of darood shareef... i can hold my fingers but i cant hold my spirit and i cant hold back my love for Allah's divinity, the one and only, the only creator, the one who controls everything and Hazrat Muhammad SAW is the his last, beloved prophet.

@Mentee you can sue me now
@tps77 i should have followed literature instead of engineering. Logic is out of the window. Love has settled in.
 
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This is a conflict that's not confined to the Middle East and Northern African Muslims, Here is a view point from a scholar that belonged to one of the most tolerant and embracing Muslim communities in South Asian Region, And how comparative recent propagation of Saudi funded Wahhabi is destroying the peaceful fabric of society.. @AZADPAKISTAN2009

Sri Lanka is currently wedged between Buddhist fundamentalism and rigid Orthodox Islam that have made inroads into the country in the past 40 years or so. Both Buddhists and Muslims have forgotten the magnanimity and tolerance of the Sinhalese who welcomed Muslims into the country centuries ago. Sadly, Muslims have forgotten that they embraced Sri Lankan and not Arabian culture when they decided to live in Sri Lanka as Sri Lankans. “It was Buddhist compassion, which made Buddhist monarchs of ancient Sri Lanka welcome believers of other religions and extended their unparalleled hospitality. The experience of the Muslim minority in Sri Lanka until ethno-nationalism raised its ugly head in the 20th century was pleasantly unique,” says Professor Ameer Ali, a scholar of Economics and the former President of the Australian Federation of Islam Councils. Prof. Ameer Ali juxtaposes his analysis of the history of Buddhist compassion in Sri Lanka with explanations of the cosmopolitan outlook of Islam in the medieval era that allowed the Caliphate to welcome intellectuals and theologians of other faiths to settle in Baghdad, Cordoba, Istanbul and Delhi, which ultimately produced a civilisation unmatched by any other at that time. He explains that the “convivencia” model in Muslim Spain, which allowed people of different faiths to administer their affairs according to their own religious principles and traditions, had a parallel in ancient and medieval Sri Lanka where the Buddhist monarchs also did not interfere in the administration of Muslim affairs. “Muslims in turn did not have any qualms in living peacefully amongst their Buddhist hosts. This is how religious harmony and social equilibrium was built in Sri Lanka. This is the need of the day,” states Prof. Ameer Ali who holds a doctorate in economics from the University of Western Australia and has taught Economics in the University of Ceylon, Murdoch University, University of Brunei and the University of Western Australia.

Below is a discussion with Prof. Ameer Ali:



By Frances Bulathsinghala
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Q: Why don’t the Muslim intelligentsia, writers, opinion leaders including political leaders, address the issue of the growing cultural gap between the Muslims and other Sri Lankans? Why don’t they even introspect and debate this issue among themselves?

A: Everyone is scared of the orthodox ulema controlled by ACJU, who may issue a fatwa calling such scholars as heretics. The tragedy is that the so called intellectuals do not want to speak out in public although in private they concede that the community needs progressive leadership. One can forget about the politicians because they will lose votes if they criticise the status quo.



Q:Until Wahabi–Salafi Islam was imported into Sri Lanka fromSaudi Arabia, Sri Lankan Muslims had a strong Lankan identity that was especially strong during the days of the Lankan monarchy, which led to Muslims being given refuge in the East of the country by the then Lankan King so they could escape fromconversions to Catholicism forced by the Portuguese. And we know Muslims were very much part of the Buddhist culture and traditions of Sri Lanka, such as making offerings to the Kandyan Pererahera festivities. But this has been changing with the rise of puritanical Islam. Do you think this distancing away from Lankan identity by Sri Lankan Muslims and embracing a Saudi Islamic identity and a dress code, is the root of Sinhala Buddhist fears and extremist views/phobias by some members of the Buddhist clergy and some Sinhala Buddhists?

A: Muslims confuse culture with religion. Religion is only one of the elements that make up one’s culture. Local history and traditions, geography and climate, population mix and language are other elements that influence culture. In the case of dress any dress can be Islamic as long as it complies with the requirement about modesty as emphasised in the Holy Quran. Muslims still do not have a clear idea about the term modesty. Extravagant display of one’s beauty is frowned upon in Islam. In fact that sort of display is not encouraged in any religion.

However, the dress one wears must be suitable to the climatic environment of one’s country. What is necessary in a hot desert environment is not suitable in a humid climatic environment like Sri Lanka. The cotton sari worn by Indian and Sri Lankan women for centuries with a piece of it covering the head is Islamic enough and satisfies the modesty requirement. The Pakistani shalwar with a shawl thrown over the head also satisfies Quranic expectation and climatically suitable.

I remember that in the ‘60s and ‘70s even Sinhalese and Tamil girls were wearing the shalwar to schools and work. But the abaya, niqab, and burka belong to another culture, history and environment. They are a product of a patriarchal society which treated the woman as a piece of property.The colour black, which was the colour of the Abbasids who succeeded the Umayyads in the 8th century, was chosen to mourn for the loss of members of the Prophet’s family killed by the Umayyads. It has now been misconstrued as the Islamic colour. Who are these people mourning for now?



Q:Modesty is equally emphasised in the Quran for men and women. Am I right? If so, in practice, why is it taken out of proportion for women, where it is a common sight in venues such as restaurants or outdoors to see fully covered women accompanied by men in shorts?

A:Modesty is both for men and women. I know several incidents where fully covered women have been unnecessarily put into embarrassing situations. This is unwanted and should be avoided.Only education can bring changes and that education has to come from the pulpit from more enlightened imams. Where are they in Sri Lanka?



Q:In basic social psychology it is clear that when a human being dresses covered up from head to toe, with only eyes visible, (and that too at times covered in net or cloth) that there can be no social interaction. In schools and universities this can lead to serious segregation and promotion of the ghetto mentality that is displayed by sections of the Muslim community of Sri Lanka. Do you think being covered up like this is actually a requirement of Islam which was at one point of history seen as being more progressive than Christianity?

A: In the name of a misunderstood identity, Muslims are getting isolated. This is a regrettable development since 1980s. There is also something unfair about the fully covered dress with a window for the eyes to see. While it allows the wearer to see clearly the full figure of a man in front of her, that opportunity is denied to the man in front to see the wearer’s face. Is this fair? There is a saying in Tamil to the effect that one’s face is the reflection of the beauty of one’s heart. That means those who cover their face actually are covering their heart. May be their heart is ugly.



Q:After your recent talk ‘Buddhist Compassion and Islam’s cosmopolitanism’, at the Walpola Rahula Institute on 15 May, you referred to a recent incident in a Tamil school in the East where one Muslim teacher insisted on dressing in the abaya. You took the side of argument of the Tamil teachers stating that the dominant culture of the school should be respected and that the ‘human rights argument’ was not valid in this context. As an observer, I would simplify your comments as meaning that in a multi cultural society there must be some compromise and give and take between communities, depending on the dominant culture of the district/community/location, etc. How would you elaborate on this and advice both Buddhists and Muslims on how to adjust their ideologies and beliefs and avoid rigid carved in stone mentalities.

A: Tolerance and compromise are essential elements of successful democracies. If someone wants to join or work for an institution then that person should abide by the rules and regulations of that institution. If unwilling to do that one should not go there at all. It is this principle that was broken at that school in Trincomalee, which led to unwarranted accusations and insults. If you want to enter a mosque you should take off your shoes. You cannot enter with your shoes and then argue in terms of human rights.



Q: Soon after your recent talk you mentioned in the discussion that ensued, that the Sharia Law tells Muslims how to behave towards and live with religious groups that make up a minority populace but that it does not teach Muslims how to live as a minority community under a majority ethnic group. What are your recommendations and advice to the custodians of Islam (the Islamic clergy of Sri Lanka)?

A: What the clergy refers to as Sharia is the fiqh or rules and regulations derived from the Quran and Hadiths by Muslim Jurists who lived in the 8th and 9th centuries. They did an excellent job at that time. These rules fall into different schools of interpretation. What we have in Sri Lanka belong to the Safiite school of Islamic jurisprudence even though there is a small minority that follows other schools of jurisprudence. These rules were derived and prescribed for Muslims by Muslims when Muslims were a hegemonic power.

Today more than one-third of world Muslims live as minorities in more than 100 countries. Time and circumstances have changed and the laws need reforms. Muslim experts in the West are currently engaged in compiling a new set of fiqh to meet current challenges. This is a vast topic impossible to cover adequately in this answer. All I can say is this: There is hardly any Islamic religious scholar or religious institution in Sri Lanka today that is equipped with the vast knowledge which is required to reinterpret the holy texts to meet modern challenges.



Q: In the discussion that took place after your lecture at the Walpola Rahula Institute, I asked you a question on whether the Muslim clergy (as in the case of the Catholic Jesuits) are involved incomparative religious studies (for the cause of promoting similarities in religious philosophies and not for the cause of nitpicking and fault finding, as Salafi Islamic preacher Zakir Naik does) and you replied that under the current Wahabi–Salafi surge that there is ‘no chance of it’. Then, where do we begin? I ask this question in the backdrop of Saudi Arabia currently going on a ‘modernising’ spree and where interestingly some social media posts by Lankan Muslims criticise this move.

A: Comparative religious studies and analytical religious studies stopped in the Muslim world after the 12th century. The study of Kalam as it was known then came to a halt and it should be reintroduced. In a plural society like Sri Lanka, everyone should have an understanding of each other’s religion, not to belittle the others or to convert one to the other, but to create a harmonious relationship among believers of different religions. This should be introduced in our schools.



Q: So you think comparative religious philosophy should be incorporated into the Lankan school curricula and education on ethno religious lines abandoned?

A: This is imperative.

Q: Would you agree that it is important to study one’s own religious roots through other lenses (other than faith alone) such as history, anthropology, philosophy and psychology?

A:This is a must. It was on that basis that the Muslim philosophers of the Abbasid era were able to provide rational explanations to the verses in the Quran.



Q: Islamic history is replete with poets who shone in their wisdom and mystical poetry where pure love equals the concept of God and beauty is spoken of as a pure wonder of God. Sadly this richpoetic legacy is not kept alive or promoted widely today.Your thoughts?

A:It is a strange irony in history of Islam that the entire poetic works of Rumi, Hafiz, Saadi, Nijami, Khayyam and many other Sufis are bubbling with beauty and divine romance, and the revolt of orthodoxy in the 12th century has killed this heritage. The Wahabi imams have even prohibited music. According to the Quran, Prophet David was given the gift of music. If God has given music as a gift to one of his prophets, who is man to prohibit it? What an irony?



Q: In attending many interesting public seminars held in Sri Lanka such those on Vedic philosophy/Buddhist philosophy, I have found the audience is mixed to include Sri Lankan Christians, Catholics, Buddhists and Hindus (including clergy members) but almost always (unless it is some specifically NGO funded event) Muslims are notable absentees. Could you comment?

A: This is unfortunate and adds further to the isolation of Muslims.Even secular Muslim scholars find it difficult to attract a Muslim audience when they want to speak on a mundane subject. To that extent the clergy has indoctrinated the Muslim masses with anti-secular teachings. This indoctrination has a long history for me to elaborate in full.



Q:You opined during your recent talk that ‘if one cannot live with a Sinhala Buddhist villager, one cannot live with anyone’. You referred to many humane qualities inherent in the Sinhalese villager. How do you think the situation has come to current state that there is a lot of hate against Muslims expressed by some Sinhalese Buddhists?

A: They can see a definite change in the external appearance of Muslim men and women which is confronting. To the ordinary villager something that is unordinary creates fear and suspicion. This is natural in any society.Why do we make ourselves the “other” by unwanted changes? This is not intentional on the part of Muslims but an unintended consequence of mimicking features foreign to this country and its culture.



Q: Sufis and Malay Muslims are some of the Islamic communities in Sri Lanka that are struggling to keep their identity and beliefs amidst the Wahabi dominance that has asserted itself in this country. Sufism was once dominant in Sri Lanka and Sufi saints/poets/preachers who propagated universal love and wisdom based from the Quran have won much love and popularity across the world. Do you think that the philosophy of Sufism, which is seen as a pacifist branch of Islam as opposed to the current militant Islam, could ‘save the world’ so to speak?

A: Sufism is inclusive whereas Wahabi conservatism is exclusive. By condemning Sufism and destroying sufi shrines these conservatives have caused irreparable damage to a cosmopolitan civilisation. I will give you a simple example, which I observed while in Sri Lanka a few days ago. The mosque at Kataragama, which also has a sufi shrine, is neglected by the community while it has constructed ostentatious mosques in other places. Kataragama is a place where all religions meet and all worshippers gather. In addition, tourists from foreign countries also visit this place. Shouldn’t this mosque be kept beautiful and attractive?

Compare the beauty of the mosque and its shrine in Nagoor in Tamil Nadu, which attracts not only Muslim devotees but also Hindus, Christians, Buddhists and so on. I feel that either the Department of Muslim Religious Affairs or the Wakf Board should take over this mosque and manage it. Wahabism hates the Sufis and that explains the neglect of this shrine. This again is a vast topic for me to cover in this answer. While militant Islam, like militant Buddhism divides communities, Sufism like the true Dhamma unites them.



Q: You described yourself as a rationalist. Could you explain from the rationalist point of view the freedom for people not to believe in God (where their morals are dictated by rationale and conscience, which functions independently of religion)? I ask this in context where in some parts of the world people are lynched for even a vague questioning of what Islam expects people to believe although the actual reality is that the crux of religions such as Christianity and Islam is based more on the individual versions of Prophets across the Old Testament, the New Testament and also the Quran. Don’t you think it is intellectually normal for a person to question, if they wish,accounts of people down the ages who thought they were God or Son of God or Prophets of God? Where do you stand in the argument of rationality that allows people to question, debate or even debunk ‘religion’?

A:In the history of Muslims there were many who remained agnostics or atheists. Freedom of and from religion coexisted especially during the Abbasid rule from 750-1258.Some of the Mu’tazilite rationalists did not believe in God and God’s revelation. The Syrian blind poet Abu al-Ala Ahmad ibn Abd Allah al-M’aarri (973-1057) who in his ‘Risalat al Ghufran’ or A Divine Comedy, visits paradise and meets heathen poets who have found forgiveness. Ma’arri was a sceptic of religions. Here is one of the gems he wrote: “Each generation of men follows another and turns the old lies into the new religion. Which generation was given the right path?” A statue of this poet remained proudly preserved in Syria until the ISIS murderers destroyed it.



Q: Across ages there has been hundreds of belief systems, many originally connected with animism. Reflecting philosophically, would you agree that these forms of ‘religions’ were far less harmful to society that the current ones, which functions mainly as political labels and are used by countries and communities to dominate, conquer or control human beings?

A:Animism, although less harmful to societies, was the product of a particular age when reason was not the supreme arbiter of human actions. This is why it died before the power of human reasoning.



Q:A person’s diet is generally based on the produce available in the country of birth. Christianity and Islam originated in arid, desert land where there was no abundant vegetation. Because of this lack of vegetation, meat eating was considered to be necessary and was interpreted as God giving man command over all other beings, to use them for consumption if necessary.Meat eating is however not really necessary in the Sri Lankan context and beef eating in particular is known to have caused a cultural gap between the Muslims and Christians vs. the Buddhists. This is a sensitive subject and I do not infer that all Buddhists are pure vegans or vegetarians or practicing ahimsa which should be towards all beings and not just select beings. But I nevertheless ask the question as to why we do not find many Muslims choosing the non violent path of diet in a country such as Sri Lanka when there are hundreds and hundreds of vegetables, grains and fruits to eat? (I would ask the same question from Christians, Catholics and Buddhists).

A: Even among animals there are herbivorous, omnivorous and carnivorous creatures. So too among humans. Is one better than the other, I don’t know. I myself do not like beef but I prefer other meats. My problem with animal slaughter is the way the animals are treated in Sri Lanka. We do not have modern abattoirs. There is absolute cruelty to animals when dragged to the slaughterhouses. An island that is fertile and surrounded by the ocean should consume more vegetables and fish than meat. Why is this country not self-sufficient in the consumption of fish?



Currently there is a countrywide protest in Australia against live sheep export to the Middle East. Some of the videos showing animal cruelty in Muslim slaughterhouses that I saw made me join this protest movement. In a Buddhist society like Sri Lanka I agree that animal slaughter is abominable. However, when some Buddhists, themselves consume meat how can we prevent others from consuming it?

http://www.ft.lk/opinion/In-the-nam...ims-are-getting-isolated--Prof--Ali/14-656202
 
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@tps77

the sunni -shia discussion in this topic reminds me.

When in Iran, I would go to Tajrish square in Tehran, shrine of Imamzadeh Saleh. I was assigned one day a week to visit, meditate and recite Koran there.

I was new in tehran and had to ask colleagues for learning persian sentences to use bus and paying fare, although after that i would run all the way up north along the long route of Valy-e-asar from where i lived near valy-e-asar. I did this out of respect plus i was super fit being in 20's.

The issue arose when i was asked my Pakistani colleagues working there for coming along with me, showing me the way,they asked
" are you sunni"
"yes im sunni"

"but you go to a shia imam shrine"
"I dont see if he is shia or sunni, i go there seeing that he loved Hazrat Muhammad SAW"


"but yar he is shia, you are sunni, are you becoming shia?"
"yar this imamzadeh had drowned in ishq of Hazrat Muhammad SAW and Im not becoming shia".

"okay then we wont go with you"
"Thank you for showing me the way, i am indebted to you, i will take it from here".

@tps77 yar my biggest regret came when i left Iran. I regret to this day. I should have stayed.

Hazrat Imamzadeh Saleh R.A is a beloved of Allah and Hazrat Muhammad SAW.
 
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as per hadiths of sahi muslim constructing shrine over a grave is prohibited but we muslims dont read Quran and hadiths and blindly follow what we have been taught by our elders and what we see around. the day we will open up Quran and hadiths and start understanding them and adopting the instructions and get rid of our inner stubbornness we will cease to exist as sunnis, shias, wahabis, barevelvis and deo bandis. we will become muslims only with slight difference of opinion about religious instructions. this difference of opinion will always remain but that will not be to create sects and groups and to prove ones superiority over the other but that day is very far and most likely never in our life time. we will keep on fighting among ourselves as we read Quran and it doesnt gp beyond our throats into our hearts.
 
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Saudi Wahhabism Serves Western Imperialism

By Andre Vltchek

May 29, 2018

When the Saudi Crown Prince gave an interview to the Washington Post, declaring that it was actually the West that encouraged his country to spread Wahhabism to all corners of the world, there was a long silence in almost all the mass media outlets in the West, but also in countries such as Egypt and Indonesia.
Those who read the statement, expected a determined rebuke from Riyadh. It did not come. The sky did not fall. Lightning did not strike the Prince or the Post.

Clearly, not all that the Crown Prince declared appeared on the pages of the Washington Post, but what actually did, would be enough to bring down entire regimes in such places like Indonesia, Malaysia or Brunei.Or at least it would be enough under ‘normal circumstances’. That is, if the population there was not already hopelessly and thoroughly indoctrinated and programed, and if the rulers in those countries did not subscribe to, or tolerate, the most aggressive, chauvinistic and ritualistic (as opposed to the intellectual or spiritual) form of the religion.

Reading between the lines, the Saudi Prince suggested that it was actually the West which, while fighting an ‘ideological war’ against the Soviet Union and other socialist countries, handpicked Islam and its ultra-orthodox and radical wing – Wahhabism – as an ally in destroying almost all the progressive, anti-imperialist and egalitarian aspirations in the countries with a Muslim majority.

As reported by RT on 28 March 2018:

“The Saudi-funded spread of Wahhabism began as a result of Western countries asking Riyadh to help counter the Soviet Union during the Cold War, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman told the Washington Post.

Speaking to the paper, bin Salman said that Saudi Arabia’s Western allies urged the country to invest in mosques and madrassas overseas during the Cold War, in an effort to prevent encroachment in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union…

The interview with the crown prince was initially held ‘off the record’. However, the Saudi embassy later agreed to let the Washington Post publish specific portions of the meeting.”

Since the beginning of the spread of Wahhabism, one country after another had been falling; ruined by ignorance, fanatical zeal and fear, which have been preventing the people of countries such as post-1965 Indonesia or the post-Western-invasion Iraq, to move back (to the era before Western intervention) and at the same time forward,towards something that used to be so natural to their culture in not such a distant past – towards socialism or at least tolerant secularism.

In reality, Wahhabism does not have much to do with Islam. Or more precisely, it intercepts and derails the natural development of Islam, of its strife for an egalitarian arrangement of the world, and for socialism.

The Brits were behind the birth of the movement; the Brits and one of the most radical, fundamentalist and regressive preachers of all times – Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab.

The essence of the Wahabi/British alliance and dogma was and still is, extremely simple: “Religious leaders would force the people into terrible, irrational fear and consequent submission. No criticism of the religion is allowed;no questioning of its essence and particularly of the conservative and archaic interpretation of the Book. Once conditioned this way, people stopped questioning and criticizing first the feudalist, and later capitalist oppression; they also accepted without blinking the plunder of their natural resources by local and foreign masters. All attempts to build a socialist and egalitarian society got deterred, brutally, ‘in the name of Islam’ and ‘in the name of God’”.

Of course,as a result, the Western imperialists and the local servile ‘elites’ are laughing all the way to the bank, at the expense of those impoverished and duped millions in the countries that are controlled by the Wahhabi and Western dogmas.

Only a few in the devastated, colonized countries actually realize that Wahhabism does not serve God or the people; it is helping Western interests and greed.

Precisely this is what is right now happening in Indonesia, but also in several other countries that have been conquered by the West, including Iraq and Afghanistan.

Were Syria to fall, this historically secular and socially-oriented nation would be forced into the same horrid direction. People there are well aware of this, as they are educated. They also see what has happened to Libya and Iraq and they definitely do not want to end up like them. It is the Wahhabi terrorist fighters that both the West and its lackeys like Saudi Arabia unleashed against the Syrian state and its people.

Despite its hypocritical secular rhetoric, manufactured mainly for local consumption but not for the colonies, the West is glorifying or at least refusing to openly criticize its own brutal and ‘anti-people’ offspring – a concept which has already consumed and ruined both the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and Indonesia. In fact, it is trying to convince the world that these two countries are ‘normal’, and in the case of Indonesia, both ‘democratic’ and ‘tolerant’. At the same time,it has consistently been antagonizing almost all the secular or relatively secular nations with substantial Muslim majorities, such as Syria (until now), but also Afghanistan, Iran (prior to the coup of 1953), Iraq and Libya before they were thoroughly and brutally smashed.

It is because the state, in which the KSA, Indonesia and the present-day Afghanistan can be found, is the direct result of both Western interventions and indoctrination. The injected Wahhabi dogma is giving this Western ‘project’ a Muslim flavor, while justifying trillions of dollars on ‘defense spending’ for the so-called ‘War on Terror’ (a concept resembling an Asian fishing pond where fish are brought in and then fished out for a fee).

Obedience, even submissiveness – is where, for many reasons, the West wants its ‘client’ states and neo-colonies to be. The KSA is an important trophy because of its oil, and strategic position in the region. Saudi rulers are often going out of their way to please their masters in London and Washington, implementing the most aggressive pro-Western foreign policy. Afghanistan is ‘valued’ for its geographical location, which could potentially allow the West to intimidate and even eventually invade both Iran and Pakistan, while inserting extremist Muslim movements into China, Russia and the former Soviet Central Asian republics. Between 1 and 3 million Indonesian people ‘had to be’ massacred in 1965-66, in order to bring to power a corrupt turbo-capitalist clique which could guarantee that the initially bottomless (although now rapidly thinning) natural resources could flow, uninterrupted and often untaxed, into places such as North America, Europe, Japan and Australia.

Frankly, there is absolutely nothing ‘normal’ about countries such as Indonesia and the KSA. In fact, it would take decades, but most likely entire generations, in order to return them to at least some sort of nominal ‘normalcy’. Even if the process were to begin soon, the West hopes that by the time it ends, almost all of the natural resources of these countries would be gone.

But the process is not yet even beginning. The main reason for the intellectual stagnation and lack or resistance is obvious: people in countries such as Indonesia and KSA are conditioned so they are not able to see the brutal reality that surrounds them. They are indoctrinated and ‘pacified’. They have been told that socialism equals atheism and that atheism is evil, illegal and ‘sinful’.

Hence, Islam was modified by the Western and Saudi demagogues, and has been ‘sent to a battle’, against progress and a just, egalitarian arrangement of the world.

This version of religion is unapologetically defending Western imperialism, savage capitalism as well as the intellectual and creative collapse of the countries into which it was injected, including Indonesia. There, in turn, the West tolerates the thorough corruption, grotesque lack of social services, and even genocides and holocausts committed first against the Indonesians themselves, then against the people of East Timor, and to this day against the defenseless Papuan men, women and children. And it is not only a ‘tolerance’ – the West participates directly in these massacres and extermination campaigns, as it also takes part in spreading the vilest forms of Wahabi terrorism and dogmas to all corners of the world. . All this, while tens of millions of the followers of Wahhabism are filling the mosques daily, performing mechanical rituals without any deeper thought or soul searching.

Wahhabism works – it works for the mining companies and banks with their headquarters in London and New York. It also works extremely well for the rulers and the local ‘elites’ inside the ‘client’ states.

Ziauddin Sardar, a leading Muslim scholar from Pakistan, who is based in London, has no doubts that ‘Muslim fundamentalism’ is, to a great extent, the result of the Western imperialism and colonialism.

In a conversation which we had several years ago, he explained:

“Trust between Islam and the West has indeed been broken… We need to realize that colonialism did much more than simply damage Muslim nations and cultures. It played a major part in the suppression and eventual disappearance of knowledge and learning, thought and creativity, from Muslim cultures. The colonial encounter began by appropriating the knowledge and learning of Islam, which became the basis of the ‘European Renaissance’ and ‘the Enlightenment’ and ended by eradicating this knowledge and learning from both from Muslim societies and from history itself. It did that both by physical elimination – destroying and closing down institutions of learning, banning certain types of indigenous knowledge, killing off local thinkers and scholars – and by rewriting history as the history of western civilization into which all minor histories of other civilization are subsumed.”

“As a consequence, Muslim cultures were de-linked from their own history with many serious consequences. For example, the colonial suppression of Islamic science led to the displacement of scientific culture from Muslim society. It did this by introducing new systems of administration, law, education and economy all of which were designed to impart dependence, compliance and subservience to the colonial powers. The decline of Islamic science and learning is one aspect of the general economic and political decay and deterioration of Muslim societies. Islam has thus been transformed from a dynamic culture and a holistic way of life to mere rhetoric. Islamic education has become a cul-de-sac, a one-way ticket to marginality. It also led to the conceptual reduction of Muslim civilization. By which I mean concepts that shaped and gave direction to Muslim societies became divorced from the actual daily lives of Muslims – leading to the kind of intellectual impasse that we find in Muslim societies today. Western neo-colonialism perpetuates that system.”

In Indonesia, after the Western-sponsored military coup of 1965, which destroyed the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI) and brought to power an extreme pro-market and pro-Western regime, things are deteriorating with a frightening predictability, consistency and speed.

While the fascist dictator Suharto, a Western implant after 1965, was said to be ‘suspicious of Islam’, he actually used all major religions on his archipelago with great precision and fatal impact. During his pro-market despotism, all left-wing movements and ‘-isms’ were banned, and so were most of the progressive forms of arts and thought.The Chinese language was made illegal. Atheism was also banned. Indonesia rapidly became one of the most religious countries on Earth.

At least one million people, including members of the PKI, were brutally massacred in one of the most monstrous genocides of the 20th century.

The fascist dictatorship of General Suharto often played the Islamic card for its political ends. As described by John Pilger in his book,“The New Rulers of The World”:

“In the pogroms of 1965-66, Suharto’s generals often used Islamicist groups to attack communists and anybody who got in the way. A pattern emerged; whenever the army wanted to assert its political authority, it would use Islamicists in acts of violence and sabotage, so that sectarianism could be blamed and justify the inevitable ‘crackdown’ – by the army…”

‘A fine example’ of cooperation between the murderous right-wing dictatorship and radical Islam.

After Suharto stepped down, the trend towards a grotesque and fundamentalist interpretation of the monotheist religions continued. Saudi Arabia and the Western-favored and sponsored Wahhabism has been playing an increasingly significant role. And so has Christianity, often preached by radical right-wing former exiles from Communist China and their offspring; mainly in the city of Surabaya but also elsewhere.

From a secular and progressive nation under the leadership of President Sukarno, Indonesia has gradually descended into an increasingly radically backward-looking and bigoted Wahhabi-style/Christian Pentecostal state.

After being forced to resign as the President of Indonesia during what many considered a constitutional coup, a progressive Muslim cleric and undoubtedly a closet socialist, Abdurrahman Wahid (known in Indonesia by his nickname Gus Dur), shared with me his thoughts, on the record:

“These days, most of Indonesian people do not care or think about God. They only follow rituals. If God would descend and tell them that their interpretation of Islam is wrong, they’d continue following this form of Islam and ignore the God.”

‘Gus Dur’ also clearly saw through all the tricks of the military and pro-Western elites. He told me, among other things, that the 2003 Marriott Hotel bombing in Jakarta was organized by the Indonesian security forces, and later blamed on the Islamists, who were actually only executing the orders given to them by their political bosses from the pro-Western military regime, which until nowis being disguised as a, ‘multi-party democracy’.

In Indonesia, an extreme and unquestioning obedience to the religions has led to a blind acceptance of a fascist capitalist system, and of Western imperialism and its propaganda. Creativity and intellectual pluralism have been thoroughly liquidated.

The 4th most populous nation on the planet, Indonesia, has presently no scientists, architects, philosophers or artists of any international standing. Its economy is fueled exclusively by the unbridled plunder of the natural resources of the vast, and in the past, pristine parts of the country, such as Sumatra and Indonesian Borneo (Kalimantan), as well as on the brutally-occupied Western part of Papua. The scale of the environmental destruction is monumental; something that I am presently trying to capture in two documentary films and a book.

Awareness of the state of things, even among the victims, is minimal or out rightly nonexistent.

In a country that has been robbed of its riches; identity, culture and future, religions now playthe most important role. There is simply nothing else left for the majority. Nihilism, cynicism, corruption and thuggery are ruling unopposed. In the cities with no theatres, galleries, art cinemas, but also no public transportation or even sidewalks, in the monstrous urban centers abandoned to the ‘markets’ with hardly any greenery or public parks, religions are readily filling the emptiness. Being themselves regressive, pro-market oriented and greedy, the results are easily predictable.

In the city of Surabaya, during the capturing of footage for my documentary film produced for a South American television network TeleSur (Surabaya – Eaten Alive by Capitalism), I stumbled over an enormous Protestant Christian gathering at a mall, where thousands of people were in an absolute trance, yelling and lifting their eyes towards the ceiling. A female preacher was shouting into a microphone:

“God loves the rich, and that is why they are rich! God hates the poor, and that’s why they are poor!”

Von Hayek, Friedmann, Rockefeller, Wahab and Lloyd George combined could hardly define their ‘ideals’in more precise way.

What exactly did the Saudi Prince say, during his memorable and ground-breaking interview with The Washington Post? And why is it so relevant to places like Indonesia?

In essence, he said that the West asked the Saudis to make the ‘client’ states more and more religious, by building madrassahs and mosques. He also added:

“I believe Islam is sensible, Islam is simple, and people are trying to hijack it.”

People? The Saudi themselves? Clerics in such places like Indonesia? The Western rulers?

In Teheran, Iran, while discussing the problem with numerous religious leaders, I was told, repeatedly:

“The West managed to create a totally new and strange religion, and then it injected it into various countries. It calls it Islam, but we can’t recognize it… It is not Islam, not Islam at all.”

In May 2018, in Indonesia, members of outlawed terrorist groups rioted in jail, took hostages, then brutally murdered prison guards. After the rebellion was crushed, several explosions shook East Java. Churches and police stations went up in flames. People died.

The killers used their family members, even children, to perpetrate the attacks. The men in charge were actually inspired by the Indonesian fighters who were implanted into in Syria –the terrorists and murderers who were apprehended and deported by Damascus back to their large and confused country.

Many Indonesian terrorists who fought in Syria are now on their home turf, igniting and ‘inspiring’ their fellow citizens. The same situation as in the past – the Indonesian jihadi cadres who fought against the pro-Soviet government in Afghanistan later returned and killed hundreds and thousands in Poso, Ambon and other parts of Indonesia.

Indonesian extremists are becoming world-famous, fighting the battles of the West as legionnaires, in Afghanistan, Syria, Philippines and elsewhere.

Their influence at home is also growing. It is now impossible to even mention any social or god forbid, socialist reforms in public. Meetings are broken up, participants beaten, and even people’s representatives (MP’s)intimidated, accused of being “communists”, in a country where Communism is still banned by the regime.

The progressive and extremely popular Jakarta governor, Ahok, first lost elections and was then put on trial and thrown into jail for “insulting Islam”, clearly fabricated charges. His main sin – cleaning Jakarta’s polluted rivers, constructing a public transportation network, and improving the lives of ordinary people. That was clearly ‘un-Islamic’, at least from the point of view of Wahhabism and the Western global regime.

Radical Indonesian Islam is now feared. It goes unchallenged. It is gaining ground, as almost no one would dare to openly criticize it. It will soon overwhelm and suppress the entire society.

And in the West ‘political correctness’ is used. It is lately simply ‘impolite’ to criticize Indonesian or even the Saudi form of ‘Islam’, out of ‘respect’ for the people and their ‘culture’. In reality, it is not the Saudi or Indonesian people who get ‘protected’ – it is the West and its imperialist policies; policies and manipulations that are used against both the people and the essence of Muslim religion.

While the Wahhabi/Western dogma is getting stronger and stronger, what is left of the Indonesian forests is burning. The country is literally being plundered by the Western multi-national companies and by its local corrupt elites.

Religions, the Indonesian fascist regime and Western imperialism are marching forward, hand in hand. But forward – where? Most likely towards the total collapse of the Indonesian state. Towards the misery that will come soon, when everything is logged out and mined out.

It is the same, as when Wahhabism used to march hand in hand with the British imperialists and plunderers. Except that the Saudis found their huge oil fields, plenty of oil to sustain themselves (or at least their elites and the middle class, as the poor still live in misery there) and their bizarre, British-inspired and sponsored interpretation of Islam.

Indonesia and other countries that have fallen victims to this dogma are not and will not be so ‘lucky’.

It is lovely that the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman spoke publicly and clarified the situation. But who will listen?

For the Indonesian people, his statements came too late. They did not open many eyes, caused no uprising, no revolution. To understand what he said would require at least some basic knowledge of both the local, and world history, and at least some ability to think logically. All this is lacking, desperately, in the countries that have found themselves squashed by the destructive imperialist embrace.

The former President of Indonesia, Abdurrahman Wahid, was correct: “If God would come and say… people would not follow God…”

Indonesia will continue following Mr. Wahab, and the capitalist dogma and the Western imperialists who ‘arranged it all’. They will do it for years to come, feeling righteous, blasting old North American tunes in order to fill the silence, in order not to think and not to question what is happening around them. There will be no doubts. There will be no change, no awakening and no revolution.

Until the last tree falls,until the last river and stream gets poisoned, until there is nothing left for the people. Until there is total, absolute submission:until everything is burned down, black and grey. Maybe then, few tiny, humble roots of awakening and resistance would begin to grow.

Andre Vltchek is a philosopher, novelist, filmmaker and investigative journalist. He has covered wars and conflicts in dozens of countries. Three of his latest books are his tribute to “The Great October Socialist Revolution” a revolutionary novel “Aurora” and a bestselling work of political non-fiction: “Exposing Lies Of The Empire”. View his other books here. Watch Rwanda Gambit, his groundbreaking documentary about Rwanda and DRCongo and his film/dialogue with Noam Chomsky “On Western Terrorism”. Vltchek presently resides in East Asia and the Middle East, and continues to work around the world. He can be reached through his website and his Twitter.

This article was originally published on New Eastern Outlook.
MBS never said the "spread of wahabbism" in that interview.. he even asked the interviewer to describe to him wahabbism.. we have the whole original interview here on PDF in the ME&Africa section.. I stopped reading right there..

Well that is my point , belly dance has existed for 1000+ years in Muslim world
there has never been a study how long ago this was common place

The world as it is in Saudi Arbia ~ is not a real impression of what has happened across 1000+ years

The influence of Belly Dance across muslim world is proof that the views in Saudia and that of other muslim countries were "Drastically different"

By the way even in Saudia all this happens in Private gathering / parties organized by friends

Belly Dance is a common thing like , going watching a movie in Cinema , it may be over the top in Pakistan becasue we never imported this in as we were under British Government control


Obviously muslims never play any music instrument in Past history
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My fundamental argument is , why is this Belly Dancing so "COMMON" in Islamic world outside of Saudi Arabia , makes you wonder it is 100% acceptable in homes, resturants , cinema like shows , Concerts or even Weddings


Logic
10-15 Muslim countries with Belly Dance is correct or 1 Saudi Arabia (who do it in private parties anyways)
"Belly dancing is believed to have had a long history in the Middle East, but reliable evidence about its origins is scarce, and accounts of its history are often highly speculative.[11] Several Greek and Roman sources including Juvenal and Martial describe dancers from Asia Minor and Spain using undulating movements, playing castanets, and sinking to the floor with "quivering thighs", descriptions that are certainly suggestive of the movements that we today associate with belly dance.[12] Later, particularly in the 18th and 19th centuries, European travellers in the Middle East such as Edward Lane and Flaubert wrote extensively of the dancers they saw there, including the Awalim and Ghawazee of Egypt.[13] In the Ottoman Empire belly dance was performed by both boys and women in the Sultan's palace."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belly_dance
 
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The word ‘Salafi’ is derived from the Arabic word ‘Salaf ’which means the predecessor/forefather and refers to the first three generation of Muslims who were nearly all Arabs. These are also known as “Al Salaf al-Salih”.

Admittedly, it is a historical fact that by the third generation (about 75 years) Arabs had conquered all of Iran & North Africa. Musa bin Nusayr, governor of North Africa on behalf of Walid bin Abdul Malik, had sent his general Tariq Bin Ziyad to conquer Spain.

In my opinion, Salafism was primarily an Arab Nationalist movement started by an Hanbalite scholar Ibne Tamiya who preached that it was because Arab Muslims had forsaken example of their ‘Salaf’, non-Arab converts such Turkish Seljuqs, Kurds and the Mamluks, as well as non-Muslim Mongols, had occupied lands previously ruled by the Arab Muslims.


Taqi al-Din Ahmed Ibn Tamiya (father of Salafism) was born on January 22, 1263 in the village of Harran to an Arab father and Kurdish mother. His father and grandfather were Hanbali scholars and religious teaching was considered a central part of the family heritage.

At that time Mongols had occupied virtually the entire East and Turkish Mukluks were ruling in the West (Egypt & Syria). To put it bluntly, the Arabs by this time had been downgraded to the subject race. The fact that his family had to leave their ancestral home when he was six years of age due to the Mongol invasion and flee to Damascus; left a profound impression on Ibne Tamiya and most probably influenced some of his most important decisions as a religious jurist. For example,

Ibne Tamiya believed that Arabs were superior to no-Arabs and therefore Arabs Muslims were superior to non-Arab Muslims.

Ibne Tamiya justified the superiority of the Arabs on the following Quartic verses.

"We have sent it down as an Arabic Qur'an so you people may understand / reason" (Qur'an 12:2)

"We have made the Qur'an easy in your language so that they may take heed it." (Qur'an 44:58)

"If We had made it a foreign Quran, they would have said, ‘If only its verses were clear! What? Foreign speech to an Arab?’ Say, ‘It is guidance and healing for those who have faith, but the ears of the disbelievers are heavy, they are blind to it, it is as if they are being called from a distant place.’ (Qur'an 41:44)

Ibne Tamiya understood that since Quran was revealed primarily for the Arabs, they were superior to non-Arab Muslims. He is reported to have declared.

“Know that the Ahaadith (that show) the superiority of Quraish and then the superiority of Bani Haashim are numerous and this is not the place (to gather all of them) but they also prove this (superiority of the Arab over Non-Arabs).

Additionally, he also believed that many non-Arabs had kept some of their heretic beliefs even after they converted to Islam. He made his mission to purify Islam by purging these beliefs. He was therefore very strongly against Sufism (Veneration of the Saints) and considered the Shia non-Muslim because they reject the first three Caliphs.

Scholars of his time accused him of believing Allah to be a corporeal entity because of what he mentioned in his al-aide al-Hamawiyya and al-Wasitiyya and other works, such as that Allah’s ‘hand’, ‘foot’, ‘shin’ and ‘face’ are literal (haqiqi) attributes, and that He is upon the Throne in person.. That is why Ibne Tamiya spent a long time in prison.

Imams of the Shafi’i school, such as Taqi al-Din al-Subki, (d 1344 AD), Sheikhul Islam Abul Abbas ibn Hajar al Haytami ( d 1566) among them, gave formal legal opinions that Ibn Tamiya was misguided and misguiding in tenants of faith and warned people from accepting his theories.

Salafi undercurrent had thus existed among the Hanbalites School since the 13th century. However, until the 18th century, the majority of the Sunni Muslims favoured Hanafi, Shafa'i & Maliki schools with followers of Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal restricted to the central Arabian /Najd regions. It was not until the time of Abdul Wahab, 500 years later that Hanbalites and the Salafi came into prominence as Wahhabis when the capture Meccas & Medina by the Saudi/Wahhabi forces in 1802.

After the defeat of Wahabi forces in 1812 by the Egyptian Khedive Mohammed Ali Pasha, Wahabi/Salafi school remained limited to the Arabian Peninsula except for adaptation of some its beliefs by the Deobandi school of India. It was only after Saudi Arabia became rich with Petrodollars that Wahhabis’ became more widespread.

Salafism of today developed as an outgrowth of the ideas of Muhammad Bin Abd al-Wahhab (1703-1792)” where 'Tawhid’ and literal interpretation of Quran and the rigid Islam as preached by Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal and expounded by IbneTamiya is practised.

I have no problem with Salafis/Wahhabis as long as they keep their belief to themselves and don’t force me or anyone else to follow their practice. My problem starts when they preach that Shia or the followers of Sufi Islam should be eliminated because in their opinion they are heretics.

IMO as long as one believes in the Oneness of Allah and that Mohammad (PBUH) is his last & final Prophet, he is a ‘Muslim’. No one, be he a scholar of the stature of Imam Ibne Tamiya or Abdul Wahhab, has the right to call such a person ‘Kafir’.

Only an ignorant person would deny that Ibne Tamiya was not a great Islamic scholar. But unless one is divinely guided; we know that after the Holy Prophet (PBUH) this is not possible; it is equally ignorant to think that only Ibne Tamiya was in the ‘Right’ and all others; his contemporaries and those who can after were totally wrong.

Finally, the news article is obviously a ‘Spin’ to show Salafis in a bad light. Nevertheless, it is a historical fact that the Wahhabis sided with Christian British to fight the Turkish Muslims. I am therefore prepared to believe the spread of Wahabism in Pakistan by the Saudis was instigated by the US to counter communism and influence of the Khomeini revolution.

It is also a fact despite the Quranic verse in the Surat Al Baqara:

256. Let there be no compulsion
In religion: Truth stands out
Clear from Error: whoever
Rejects Evil and believes
In God hath grasped
The most trustworthy
Hand-hold that never breaks.
And God heareth
And knoweth all things.

Salafi /Wahabi doctrine believe in imposing their version of Islam by force.

IMO sponsoring the proxy war against Shia (anti –Iran) both directly or indirectly is serving the Western agenda. Admittedly post Khomeini Iran is equally guilty but two’Wrongs’ don’t make a ‘Right’.
 
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as per hadiths of sahi muslim constructing shrine over a grave is prohibited but we muslims dont read Quran and hadiths and blindly follow what we have been taught by our elders and what we see around. the day we will open up Quran and hadiths and start understanding them and adopting the instructions and get rid of our inner stubbornness we will cease to exist as sunnis, shias, wahabis, barevelvis and deo bandis. we will become muslims only with slight difference of opinion about religious instructions. this difference of opinion will always remain but that will not be to create sects and groups and to prove ones superiority over the other but that day is very far and most likely never in our life time. we will keep on fighting among ourselves as we read Quran and it doesnt gp beyond our throats into our hearts.
The vast majority of us unfortunately don't know Classical Arabic which is one of the prerequisites.
 
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