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...some random American constantly bashing Muslims and Pakistan on an internet forum won't solve anyone's problems.
But random Pakistanis constantly bashing the Zionist will, right?

There was no intention for this to be an "anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistani" thread. But do the responses from the Pakistanis here show Pakistanis or Muslims in a good light?

...eventually Pakistan will undergo a transformation -

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@Solomon2
The term you are looking for is "Zawaj Al Misyar" the Saudi equivalent of "Mutta"-
how convenient
anything goes to satisfy the restless animal between the legs
Mullah at the standby to legitimise the term
 
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Pakistan does have lots of problems. Will they be solved by pretending they don't exist, or embracing them as ordinary business, or pretending that Pakistan is no worse than other countries? You're letting pride enforce bad government and poverty!

Which is why you should be able to do a better job, right?
Are you projecting your own shortcomings on Muslims, KSA, Pakistan...etc?

Israeli police bust 'messianic' prostitution ring
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29110334
BBC News - Israeli police bust 'messianic' prostitution ring

Talking about prostitution, here is one for you:

Jews And White Slavery
...At the end of the 19th and beginning of the twentieth century, Jews were deeply involved in what was popularly called "white slavery": international prostitution rings. "White slavery," notes scholar Albert Lindemann, "was a concern of Jewish leaders throughout the world, who recognized it as a special problem." [LINDEMANN, p. 33] [Jews have also dominated the pornography and commercial sexploitation business, a trend which continues to this day -- see Mass Media section]

...Rooted largely in Eastern and Central Europe where they "dominated the international traffic out of the area," [BRISTOW, p. 2] Jews were involved in prostitution rings that networked, wrote Arthur Mora (of London's Jewish Association for the Protection of Girls and Women) in 1903, to "almost all parts of North and South Africa, to India, China, Japan, Philippine Island, North and South America, and also to many of the countries of Europe." [BRISTOW, p. 1] Jewish criminals trafficked women under their control virtually anywhere, also including the major cities of Bulgaria, Bosnia, Greece, Turkey, Lebanon, Egypt, Ceylon, Manchuria, South Africa, Rhodesia, and Mozambique. [BRISTOW, p. 181]

"By 1900," says Bristow, "Jewish commercial vice was largely incorporated in underworld elements and many of it participants were predators of the poor." [BRISTOW, p. 89] Jewish pimps, procurers, and traffickers preyed mostly on non-Jewish women, but even large numbers of Jewish women were part of their stables.
In 1872, for example, Jewish prostitutes in Warsaw numbered 17% of the known prostitution population, in Krakow 27%, and in Vilna 47%. [BRISTOW, p. 23] Within the Jewish community itself, it was not uncommon for recruiters to marry innocent Jewish young women and "deposit them in foreign brothels." [BRISTOW, p. 25] Many of the Jewish criminal underworld figures apparently saw no gap between their day-to-day activities and their religious lives, often maintaining their religious obligations. A Warsaw thug, Shilem Letzski, organized a small synagogue for Jewish "prostitutes, madams, pimps, and thieves." This criminal community even had a rabbinical court "to settle disputes between pimps." [BRISTOW, p. 60] In Constantinople, prostitutes contributed money to "have their pimps called to Torah on holidays." [SCHNEIDER, p. 225] In New York City, "a public school and a large synagogue were situated right next door to the house of prositution." [RUBINOW, I., 1959, p. 114-115]

...Dr. Louis Maretsky, the head of the B'nai B'rith in Germany, forlornly noted in 1912 that at least 271 of 402 prostitution traffickers on a Hamburg police list were Jewish; in reviewing similar lists for Eastern Europe and South Africa at least 374 of 644 were from the Jewish community. [BRISTOW, p. 56] (No mention here is made of even higher possible percentages: as explored later, it has long been a tradition for many Jews in their diaspora to formally change their identifiable Jewish names). Concerning Galicia, Maretsky wrote that "the prominence of Jewish traffickers and brothel operators there is no doubt. From the files of the Austrian and German police there were 111 Jewish traffickers active in Galicia and the neighboring province of Bukovina for 1904-08 alone." [BRISTOW, p. 56]

By 1889 Jewish women ran 203 of 289 (70%) of the licensed brothels in the "Pale of Settlement" (encompassing over 20 provinces in eastern Poland and western Russia -- an area where Jews were about 12% of the population). 1122 of 5127 (22%) licensed prostitutes in this area were Jewish. [BRISTOW, p. 63] The grievous political dangers for local Jewry in the context of enduring interethnic hostilities, when 78% of the rest of the women were Gentile, many indentured in Jewish houses, is obvious.
Further in the West, 16 of 19 licensed brothels in Warsaw were run by Jewish women, prostitutes in the low-class establishments were expected to service 40-50 customers a day, up to 60-70 on Holy Days. (In 1905 the respectable part of the Jewish Warsaw community rioted against the brothels; 40 whorehouses -- legal and illegal -- were reported destroyed, 8 persons killed, and 100 injured). [BRISTOW, p. 61]

In Minsk, Jews ran all four legitimate houses of ill repute. In the Russian province of Kherson (which includes the city of Odessa) 30 of 36 licensed brothels were Jewish-owned. The American Consul in Odessa wrote in 1908 that the "whole 'business' of prostitution is almost exclusively in the hands of the Jews." [BRISTOW, p. 56]
...The Jewish prostitution business extended from Europe across the world, where it sometimes overlapped with French, Italian, Chinese, and other rings. In the Punjabi (Indian) capital of Lahore, "Jewish pimps were in the habit of leaving their women penniless only to reappear after workers had accumulated some money." [BRISTOW, p. 195] In Rio de Janeiro Jewish immigrants from Russia, Poland, Hungary, and Romania were so much identified with prostitution in the late 1800's that "the kaftan, a Jew's traditional long gown, became synonymous with pimp." [BRISTOW, p. 113]

Thirty-nine Jews were expelled from Brazil in 1879 for soliciting women for prostitution and running illegal whorehouses. [BRISTOW, p. 114] Of 199 licensed whorehouses in Buenos Aires in 1909, 102 were run by Jews and more than half the prostitutes were Jewish. [FRIED, p. 71] 4,248 Jewish women were registered for licensed brothels in Buenos Aires between 1880-1913, and those represented only the licensed ones. Edward Bristow estimates that 9,000 Jewish women immigrants came to Brazil in a 25-year span in that era as prostitutes (many were no doubt highly transient), when the total Jewish population of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay combined amounted to less than 60,000 people in 1910. [BRISTOW, p. 119]
In 1889, the Buenos Aires Bulletin Continental reported that 200 German/Austrian women were held against their will by Jewish pimps from Poland. [GUY, p. 5] "Jewish procurers," says Donna Guy,

"... became an organized ring in major cities all over the world. They were particularly powerful in the Argentine port cities of Buenos Aires and Rosario ... [GUY, p. 10] ... Turn-of-the-century reports by the Hamburg B'nai B'rith [a Jewish fraternal organization] concluded that most prostitutes in Buenos Aires were Jewish and that traffickers 'dress with ostentatious elegance, wear large diamonds, go to the theatre or opera daily; they have their own clubs and organizations where wares are sorted, auctioned, and sold ... They have their own secret wireless code, are well organized, and-- heavens! -- in South America everything is possible." [GUY, p. 19]

"Pooling their financial resources in a kind of guild," notes another Jewish scholar, Howard Sachar,

"the [Polish Jewish] newcomers [to Argentina] in 1909 controlled slightly more than half the nearly two hundred licensed brothels in Buenos Aires. Jewish women served as their madams, and Jewish immigrant girls often were recruited and lured into their hands as prostitutes." [SACHAR, H., 1985, p. 283]
...Incredibly, even in Germany, where Jews have such a horrible history, such Jewish-related problems still bubble beneath the surface. In 1994 a US News and World Report reporter noted the observations of a Frankfort policeman patrolling Precinct 4:

"'It's all owned by Jews,' [Bernd] Gayk says of the train station's red light district. 'Practically everything in this area is owned by German Jews. There is a single cabaret here owned by a German, but the rest belongs to the Jews.'" [MARKS, J., p. 42, 44]

..."The Jewish pimp," says Albert Fried, "freely used marriage brokers and unemployment agencies to snare his victims -- the young, the lonely, the innocent, the weak, the alienated, the oppressed." [FRIED, p. 14] Starting out with one whore in 1890, for example, by 1912 Motche Greenberg had a "controlling interest in eight whorehouses and 114 women and was earning $4,000 a month, an incalculable amount by today's standards." [FRIED, p. 18]

...(Even in 2001, as a result of an undercover police investigation, Joel Gordon (a cantor, i.e., the man who sings liturgical songs and leads prayer in a synagogue) and his wife Alison Greenberg were tried in Chicago for running a brothel. Ginsberg was also charged with acts of prostitution. "We now realize," said Howard Peritz, a member of Gordon's synagogue, "that in starting a congregation around a man [Gordon], we were canonizing him." [JEWISH TELEGRAPHIC AGENCY, 1-5-01] The same year, a synagogue room (Finchley Synagogue's Kinloss Suite) in Great Britain made the news when it hosted a "stag party with three strippers performing 'sexually explicit acts.'" Some of the money raised was supposed to go to a Jewish charity.) [ZERDIN, J., 29-01]

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Tobin was responding to a very disturbing article in the New York Times (January 11, 1998) which described the horrible situation that Slavic Gentile prostitutes face today, trapped in Israel. As the Times notes, with the collapse of the Soviet Union and a resulting economic chaos, literally hundreds of thousands of Russian and Ukrainian women have been dispersed throughout the world, most entrapped in an international prostitution trade run by the "Russian mafia." (Although it is certainly inferred, what the Times article does not overtly mention is that a significant part of the Russian mafia is Jewish. See later chapter). Glenn Frankel, however, a Washington Post correspondent in Jerusalem, took the perspective in 1994 that "there was much talk about the Russian mafia muscling in [to Israel], although the police and most crime experts agreed that the brothels were almost entirely under the control of the Israeli mafia and that the Russians worked mostly as low-level managers or hookers." [FRANKEL, p. 175]

"Israel has become a routine destination for the global trafficking of women," noted Leonard Fein in a 1998 Jewish Bulletin,

"women coerced into prostitution. The thousand such women brought into Israel annually derive principally from the countries of the former Soviet Union, and the way they get to Israel is that they are 'purchased,' each one costing between $10,000 and $20,000. And they are, of course, expected to repay the cost to their masters through what amounts to indentured servitude -- or, if you prefer the simpler and more straightforward, slavery ... Some [are] as young as 15, and even 12 ... Each woman earns between $50,000 and $100,000 for her pimp. The turnover of the prostitution trade in Israel comes to some $450 million a year." [FEIN, 1998, p. 21]

In a country of six million people, this averages about $75 a year paid to a pimp for every man, woman, and child in Israel. There are today 150 brothels and sex shops in Tel Aviv alone. [SILVER, E., 8-25-2000, p. 32]

In an interview with Marina, a Russian prostitute, the (Jewish) Forward noted in 1995 that there were nine or ten "Russian" prostitution rings in Israel. "Girls are regularly beaten to keep them obedient," Marina told the Forward, "... [The Israeli police are] regularly paid off with free visits to our girls. A reporter like you thinks you're picking up a stone from the road, but you might find you're digging into a mountain." [SHILLING, p. 5] As a report by Israel's Women's Network noted in 1997:

..."Women are sold into the sex business in Israel for between $5,000 and $15,000," reported the Jerusalem Post in 1998, "while the pimps who buy them can earn between $10,000 and $50,000 a year per woman ... 2,000 women are brought to Israel from the CIS and forced by pimps to work as prostitutes. Many are brought here on false pretenses and held against their will." As Ira Omait, head of the Haifa Emergency Shelter for Women told the Post, "We are fast heading in the direction of trade in minors for prostitution and slavery." [COLLINS, L., 12-15-98, p. 5] Incredibly, as noted in a Jerusalem Post editorial in 1998, "According to the Women's Lobby [a women's group in Israel], part of the [prostitution] problem is that there is no law against slavery in Israel." [JERUSALEM POST, 1-13-98, p. 10]
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"The networks trafficking women run east to Japan and Thailand, where thousands of young Slavic women now work against their will as prostitutes, and west to the Adriatic Coast and beyond ... The routes are controlled by Russian gangs based in Moscow ... In Ukraine alone ... as many as 400,000 women under 30 have gone in the past decade ... Israel is a fairly typical destination ... Police officials [in Israel] estimate that there are 25,000 paid sexual transactions every day. [This in a country with a population of 6 million]. Brothels are ubiquitous ... Once they cross the border [into Israel] their passports will be confiscated [by pimps], their freedoms curtailed and what little money they have taken from them at once ... The Tropicana, in Tel Aviv's bustling business district, is one of the busiest bordellos. The women who work there, like nearly all prostitutes in Israel today, are Russian. Their bosses, however, are not. 'Israelis love Russian girls,' said Jacob Golan, who owns this and two other clubs, '.... They are blonde and good looking and different than us ... And they are desperate. They are ready to do anything for money." [SPECTER, p. 1]

"The situation," wrote Jewish author David Weinberg in an 1998 article about prostitution in Israel entitled Not So Holy Land, "is enough to make you cry in despair, or vomit from shame." [WEINBERG, D., 1-18-98, p. 8]
Jews And White Slavery
The last sentence of the article was meant for you and your kinds.
 
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No he didn't. It was banned by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) himself. Some people who didn't heard Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) instruction still indulged in such practices after His death. So Hazrat Omar made sure that it was banned properly.
thanks for confirming that dear
Surah Nisa' has a reference to that too. anyways.. for me one relation is enough so cant play around with more ..
maybe not Arab enough
 
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thanks for confirming that dear
Surah Nisa' has a reference to that too. anyways.. for me one relation is enough so cant play around with more ..
maybe not Arab enough

Interpretation sir jee, interpretation, The sects and the practices exist because of the varying interpretations

thanks for confirming that dear
Surah Nisa' has a reference to that too. anyways.. for me one relation is enough so cant play around with more ..
maybe not Arab enough

As per arab definition, you are not man enough :D
 
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So everything is O.K. because it's Muslims trafficking Muslim women - it's only "unfair" if Israel had a hand in it?
thats it sir you nailed it
our new Evangelical cricketer Mr Shazad declared on the cricket pitch to a pagan Sri Lanken cricketer that he can get away with ANY thing once he becomes a Muslim.

the unfortunate Sri Lankan didnt fathom the generous and divine offer

hence the Cricketer declared that eternal hell fire awaited him.

I love religion, how people help themselves with Divine powers to decide the fate of people through known recorded history is certainly something that leaves me speechless
and maybe a bit jealous? clearly I am not at the level of faith where I can decide who lives and who dies and who will go to heaven and bed 72 virgins or who will burn in eternal hellfire
 
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its true .dont know why everyones having a go at soloman ,the saudis also go to Pakistan & use the women like a piece of shyte .i think they used to do it in India also but India told the Saudis to gtfo .
its 'haraam' but not to the Saudis .
it happened till very recently in India, I remember a news item about very young muslim girls from hyderabad, India getting married to 60+ year old men from ME.
good to know saudis are trying to stop this..because its difficult to stop people from leaving the country.
 
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Pakistan does have lots of problems. Will they be solved by pretending they don't exist, or embracing them as ordinary business, or pretending that Pakistan is no worse than other countries? You're letting pride enforce bad government and poverty!

Which is why you should be able to do a better job, right?
Did you ever find something positive to post about people of Pakistan? :D Your approach is selective or may be you are only worry and sleepless over issues in Pakistan/Muslim world. US/Israel are also facing lots of problems and challenges. Why you don't search and post negative topics about your country/leaders/race to wake them up? No nation/race is perfect. We never claimed that we don't have any issues or we are better than others.
 
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But random Pakistanis constantly bashing the Zionist will, right?

There was no intention for this to be an "anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistani" thread. But do the responses from the Pakistanis here show Pakistanis or Muslims in a good light?



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But random Pakistanis constantly bashing the Zionist will, right
The Pakistanis who bash Zionists never claim that they are enlightening anyone or that their arguments will solve problems. You, however, do that a lot.

There was no intention for this to be an "anti-Muslim or anti-Pakistani" thread.
The article you posted in the OP indicates otherwise.

I'm not talking about any miracle. You never lived in Pakistan so I don't expect you to understand, but i'll try anyways.
People's mindset is slowly changing. They realise what their problems are and many of them are even aware of the causes and inner workings of all the issues Pakistan is facing. What's needed is education. Right now, good, western-style education in Pakistan is limited to the elite. We need education to be given top priority. In the long term, everything will sort itself out if the people are educated.
I have high hopes in the Pakistani youth, especially the students. The patriotism+knowledge and educated thinking is what will help them improve Pakistan. I myself plan on returning to my country and working to improve it.

I could elaborate more but this debate requires a thread of its own.

As for the original topic,what those Saudis were doing is criminal (if they really were doing it the way its described in the article) and if they escape punishment in this world, they will surely be punished in the next.
The new laws mentioned in the article are good steps in my opinion, it may not completely finish the problems but it will certainly reduce it a lot. Banning marriages with people of certain countries completely is too extreme and I disagree with it, but its their country, they can make whatever laws they want.
 
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i Just challenge and question your authority to publish and discuss such issue ...

at last someone who can stand up to this Zionist sympathiser who is trying to divert the attention from what his country has become where is violence on movies and sex on tv.
 
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it happened till very recently in India, I remember a news item about very young muslim girls from hyderabad, India getting married to 60+ year old men from ME.
good to know saudis are trying to stop this..because its difficult to stop people from leaving the country.

I read it was the Indian government that stepped in & banned these old dirty codgers ,I also read about an incident in Jhelum where the Saudis tried to get some young girls to go on a trip with them but the locals turned up and started
firing shots at them making them flee.
So Indias banned them ,the Saudis have banned them but Pakistan will sell there own daughters sisters to them .
National phucking shame .:(
 
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I read it was the Indian government that stepped in & banned these old dirty codgers ,I also read about an incident in Jhelum where the Saudis tried to get some young girls to go on a trip with them but the locals turned up and started
firing shots at them making them flee.
So Indias banned them ,the Saudis have banned them but Pakistan will sell there own daughters sisters to them .
National phucking shame .:(
not sure how effective govt ban is, banning from KSA side is more effective.
Anyway I dont l dont like the tone of OP, he usually digs up such stories and gives some condescending advice as to how muslims should live... lolz.
 
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Jews And White Slavery
...At the end of the 19th and beginning of the twentieth century, Jews were deeply involved in what was popularly called "white slavery": international prostitution rings. "White slavery," notes scholar Albert Lindemann, "was a concern of Jewish leaders throughout the world, who recognized it as a special problem." [LINDEMANN, p. 33] [Jews have also dominated the pornography and commercial sexploitation business, a trend which continues to this day -- see Mass Media section]

.thanks dear.. so my comment for Mr Solomon is in agreement with historical facts ... i told mr Solomon that a Pimp daddy cannot stand for the right of woman... you have provided me with the facts.. this is happening in the present day too... most of the free and net **** has Zewish funding....they know that by liberating woman in the name of **** you can destroy an entire society and spirituality of that culture.. and without spiritual strength a person or society becomes weak an impulsive and act and behave like animals or zombies... they want to see themselves as mastering the art of spirituality and reaching the tree of life 777... and want rest of humanity to indulge themselves into their lower selves so God has no choice but to choose zews again for His cause... but they think they can tie the hand of God... that's where they are mistaken
 
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To their credit the Saudis recognize a problem in their society and are trying to apply the law to correct it. Much better than hiding stuff under the rug, imo.
dude we have law's like that which set marriage age limits, and permissions from the previous wife etc, from the 1950s
the laws were criticized by many Muslim radicals etc, but now the so called leader has implemented them LOL, i think they are a bit too slow, but still laws exist, the main thing is to implement them, which currently we are failing at
 
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What's needed is education. Right now, good, western-style education in Pakistan is limited to the elite. We need education to be given top priority. In the long term, everything will sort itself out if the people are educated.
What I don't think you grasp is that your ruling class uses its Western education not to liberate Pakistanis from old thinking and fears but to exacerbate them and cement their rule further, or enrich themselves for personal benefit. Zia was a product of British schools. Jinnah and Z.A.B. fostered terrorism against civilians. B. Bhutto's husband was "Mr. Ten Percent" and Harvard-educated B.B. herself exaggerated her accomplishments - though I can't blame her for all her failings as her degrading experience in desert prison left its mark on her mind.

My point is that you can't take it all on blind faith. If you don't work to shape the future yourself you yield the shaping to others who will do it for you - and to you, as Pakistanis lack effective enforcement of their civil rights, right?

Banning marriages with people of certain countries completely is too extreme and I disagree with it, but its their country, they can make whatever laws they want.
This move appears to be in line with the Saudi mentality. If you've read much about the Saudis you'll discover it's a conservative and very xenophobic society, despite hosting millions of hajjis every year. In one book ("Oil Sheiks") I read the author cited the example of a family that a hundred years ago moved to Kuwait for a generation before returning to Arabia. Other Saudis unfailingly referred to the clan as "foreigners".
 
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