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SAUDI PRINCE CLAIMS KINGDOM CAN DESTROY IRAN IN 8 HOURS

Saudis have no nuke, they don't even have an army, they have to hire mercenaries even to protect their own borders. It's just U.S which is protecting them and nothing more.

So it's U.S which is threatening Iran (not Saudis) and it's a bluff, we already exposed their bluff in the strait of Hormuz.
 
He is saying that Iran will hide the lithography machines and then use them to rebuild. He is not speaking of Iranian labour or expat labour. My point is that Iran does not have lithography technology or machines. If Iran dos not have these machines, hiding non-existent items is pointless
You see obtaining the lithography devices is the least of iran problem . you say they will destroy those devices . I say we can obtain those devices specially older generation like eating a piece of cake . the hard part is designing the chip itself and we already showed we can design our chip.
https://www.revolvy.com/page/Parsé-Semiconductor-Co.
 
You see obtaining the lithography devices is the least of iran problem . you say they will destroy those devices . I say we can obtain those devices specially older generation like eating a piece of cake . the hard part is designing the chip itself and we already showed we can design our chip.
https://www.revolvy.com/page/Parsé-Semiconductor-Co.
Designing the chip is the easier part. Getting the hardware is the hardest part. India has designed 14nm and 22nm chips but they had to be fabricated in TSMC or Samsung as India has only 180nm technology.

Getting even older generation lithography is very hard as any nation selling will think that these technology will be used in missiles which may be directed against them. Missile requires semiconductor of only 1um or 1.5um which is 1980s technology. Hence any semiconductor, even older generation ones are never sold by any country as it is a potential danger.

All the semiconductor technology is held as military technology by every country that has it. Even Intel, TSMC, Samsung hold these technology under USA military supervision. Similarly, India, China, Russia and other EU countries also hold the semiconductor technology under military supervision.

Iranian missile program and SLV programme depends on imports of semiconductor fabricated in foreign countries, imported in limited quantity as "college project" or civilian semiconductor and ICs used used in appropriate circuit to be used as missiles. This is also why they have high chances of failure and poor accuracy. This is also why only those countries with semiconductor fabrication technology have been able to develop accurate missiles with CEP less than 100metres.
 
Doubt it. KSA may have purchased ever weapon that their money can buy, but they still don't know how to use them properly. There is more to it then just buying weapons. The the person behind the trigger. KSA hasn't been able to win the war in Yemen for over 5 years, i doubt then can destroy Iran in 8 hours.
Fighting a proxy war waged by rebels and fighting a country are two different things. Americans can flatten any military in a direct confrontation yet lost to a bunch of talibans in Afghanistan.
Having said so definitely Iran isn't a push over either and Saudi Arbia cannot destroy Iran yet alone in merely 8 hours.
 
Without nukes? Really?
It is one thing to make tall claims to demoralize enemy but this is a bit extreme mate

We don't really know all the weapons KSA has. They probably could have a nuke from Pakistan which would destroy Tehran completely and Iran would then collapse.
We shall remain neutral and play role of mediator in a war between KSA and Iran
One is our neighbour the other is a historical ally

I sure aint giving the saudis my nukes !
The political cost of using nukes is too high for them to actually try
 
How wonderful it would have been for Muslims if Arabs had shown half the aggression they have for Iran towards enemies of Islam instead!
What if they are the enemy of Islam ....
 
Saudis must also be running out of money. They're doling out crazy money for foolishness. They just gave Pakistan $20bn...how much money will they have left? they cant keep buying off everyone..


Outright nuclear arms? NO. Iran does have all the pieces to assemble to make a working nuclear weapon. Iran isn't currently sitting on a nuclear bomb, unless its a secret one, and if its secret, then there is no evidence it exists.


So you're agreeing with him- Iran will only need imported parts(no humans involved really), while Saudi ARabia will need imported parts + imported labor aka white expats, but the white expats wont go to Saudi Arabia until peace is restored completely. thats his point, and you're point here doesnt oppose his main argument.
Yeah but we are not interested in another war in our neighbourhood that will open a new refugee crisis and border situation
The long term loss from a destroyed Iran is too big for us even if we dont like the Mullah regime
For Pakistan a war in Iran is the worse thing that could happen in next dew years
 
Designing the chip is the easier part. Getting the hardware is the hardest part. India has designed 14nm and 22nm chips but they had to be fabricated in TSMC or Samsung as India has only 180nm technology.
you officially knew nothing
designing the chip is the hard part, designing a new node is the hard part , building a fab is the easy part
people build their chips in TSMC or Samsung because they have the production capacity and invested in the cutting edge node .
today every body can build a 32nm node but for military nobody use lower than 90nm because of reliability .
and if you guys willing to dish some money you easily can buy devices to build your own 22nm FAB , you just don't want to spend that money as your needs are not that high that economically made the decision justifiable

Getting even older generation lithography is very hard as any nation selling will think that these technology will be used in missiles which may be directed against them. Missile requires semiconductor of only 1um or 1.5um which is 1980s technology. Hence any semiconductor, even older generation ones are never sold by any country as it is a potential danger.
wrong , older generation lithography devices can be bought easily

All the semiconductor technology is held as military technology by every country that has it. Even Intel, TSMC, Samsung hold these technology under USA military supervision. Similarly, India, China, Russia and other EU countries also hold the semiconductor technology under military supervision.
the lithography device is not important , the science to design the chip is the key point . its take china 20 years to design an architecture good enough to be used in competitive products

Iranian missile program and SLV programme depends on imports of semiconductor fabricated in foreign countries, imported in limited quantity as "college project" or civilian semiconductor and ICs used used in appropriate circuit to be used as missiles. This is also why they have high chances of failure and poor accuracy. This is also why only those countries with semiconductor fabrication technology have been able to develop accurate missiles with CEP less than 100metres.
you can only talk about poor accuracy of Iranian missile when you managed to hit a boat with your ballistic missiles or point camera to a tent and say we fired a longer than 2000km range missile and it gonna hot that tent and then hit that tent . till India show that capabilities let not talk about precision of Iranian missiles
 
you officially knew nothing
designing the chip is the hard part, designing a new node is the hard part , building a fab is the easy part
Who says this? On what basis do you claim this? Architecture is hard but even ten it is simulated on computers and hence made easier. But making the actual chip is hard because it involves shaping the silicon wafers to the precision of at least 100nm (for 1um chip) to 1nm (for 14nm chip). There is where the difficulty arises. The chemical reaction of silicon fabrication to be controlled to such precision is where difficulty arises.

people build their chips in TSMC or Samsung because they have the production capacity and invested in the cutting edge node .
today every body can build a 32nm node but for military nobody use lower than 90nm because of reliability .
People make chips in TSMC because they don't have the technology to make them. Otherwise, it hardly makes sense to manufacture one's military items in another country.

None can make 32nm excepting USA, China and USA vassals (like Taiwan, S.Korea). It is not a choice to not make the items. It is capability deficit or lack of technology.

and if you guys willing to dish some money you easily can buy devices to build your own 22nm FAB , you just don't want to spend that money as your needs are not that high that economically made the decision justifiable
We are more than willing to dish out money, even $20 billion for plant to manufacture the wafers. But none sells. India couldn't even get USA (IBM) to give 180nm technology and India had to upgrade it indigenously with Israeli consultancy.

Each chip of intel i5 costs $100 and one chip of Snapdragon processor costs $30-40 dollar for middle level chipset. Considering that India spends several tens of billion dollars each year, it makes economic sense to have at least 22nm technology. But none sells

wrong , older generation lithography devices can be bought easily
Who sells that? Do you know of anyone who will sell even 1um technology? The machines which is used for lithography is sold by NATO country in international market. Other countries which have it are China, India and Russia. No other country has the ability to make lithography machines even of 1um.

the lithography device is not important , the science to design the chip is the key point . its take china 20 years to design an architecture good enough to be used in competitive products
The lithography is the most important science. China took that many years to et the lithography, not design. Design is just about making logic gates design and is mathematics. It is done even by simulation as mathematics can be algorithmised. The chemical reaction of lithography is the key

you can only talk about poor accuracy of Iranian missile when you managed to hit a boat with your ballistic missiles or point camera to a tent and say we fired a longer than 2000km range missile and it gonna hot that tent and then hit that tent . till India show that capabilities let not talk about precision of Iranian missiles
Ballistic missile hitting a boat? Where? This is a new thing as ballistic missile can't hit moving target. India has CEP of 10metre for its Agni-5 missile. Iran can make missiles like Styx missile of 1960-70 which were used as anti-ship missile using simple radars or 1960-70 type ballistic missiles with CEP of 500m to 1km but making a precision missile using semiconductor is another thing.
 
The lithography is the most important science. China took that many years to et the lithography, not design. Design is just about making logic gates design and is mathematics. It is done even by simulation as mathematics can be algorithmised. The chemical reaction of lithography is the key
let just say at the time china was struggling on building the architectue , they had no problem building ARM designed chips.

your problem is you think because INDIA don't have newer FAB than 180nm then it must be impossible to acquire one better for somebody who is willing to spend money on a better one.
 
let just say at the time china was struggling on building the architectue , they had no problem building ARM designed chips.

your problem is you think because INDIA don't have newer FAB than 180nm then it must be impossible to acquire one better for somebody who is willing to spend money on a better one.
No, I have done good research on the geopolitics and the importance of technology and natural resources. It is my conclusion after extensive research on how the semiconductor dominance works, how USA sanctioned countries like India, China from getting semiconductor chipsets, how the latest technology development like PGDM bomb, LGB, radar etc is linked with miniaturisation of semiconductor.

Designing a semiconductor is the easy part as the semiconductor design just involves arrangements of logic gates which is pure mathematics.

It is not just Indian experience but even currently China is potentially facing sanctions on Huawei preventing it from importing semiconductor. If making a semiconductor was easy, why is China not being able to make 14nm or 22nm lithography technology? If design was a problem, then China is already making chipsets in TSMC for its Indigenous phones and hence it wouldn't be a big issue if Huawei didn't import semiconductor
 
Ballistic missile hitting a boat? Where? This is a new thing as ballistic missile can't hit moving target. India has CEP of 10metre for its Agni-5 missile. Iran can make missiles like Styx missile of 1960-70 which were used as anti-ship missile using simple radars or 1960-70 type ballistic missiles with CEP of 500m to 1km but making a precision missile using semiconductor is another thing.
Now this is when you stray into topics you have faulty knowledge on. Iran has enough accurate missiles TODAY, so if what you're saying here is true, US would have already attacked. No one attacks Iran publicly and directly because of the accurate BMs. thats facts. Iran has other technologies to use to make their missiles accurate, thats been doubted by haters, and proven by Iran. If Iran didnt have accurate missiles then the US AC Abraham Lincoln wouldn't be sitting 800miles from the Persian gulf right now.
 
Now this is when you stray into topics you have faulty knowledge on. Iran has enough accurate missiles TODAY, so if what you're saying here is true, US would have already attacked. No one attacks Iran publicly and directly because of the accurate BMs. thats facts. Iran has other technologies to use to make their missiles accurate, thats been doubted by haters, and proven by Iran. If Iran didnt have accurate missiles then the US AC Abraham Lincoln wouldn't be sitting 800miles from the Persian gulf right now.
Persian gulf is hardly 30km. This means even artillery fire can block it completely. So, there is limited scope for any naval engagement even if Iran doesn't have good military.

Iranian ballistic missiles are good enough to wipe out oil installation of Saudi Arabia, UAE and other GCC countries. This means that if Iran is attacked, it can ensure that 50% of the world oil exports is disrupted. This is a big price which none is willing to pay. Petroleum ia needed on regular and continuous basis and can't be allowed to be disrupted.

Secondly, Iran doesn't have big enough nuclear warheads to attach on BM. This means that even if Iran has BM, it isn't really useful.

Iran, however, can have missile technology like Styx missile (used by India in 1971 war against Karachi) which can target installations precisely. Considering the proximity of Iran to the oil facilities of GCC, these missiles are good enough to destroy these targets.

It is the importance of oil supply that is preventing USA from attacking Iran. It is not the fear of Iranian prowess that keeps USA from attacking
 

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