Saudi prince accused of hooker parties, threats and fart-in-face demand

[Rasengan]

I could not care less. If it was not a prince it would have been a corrupt civilian official. I think you have great experience with that category of people in Pakistan. Also who told you that princes or people in general cannot earn their own money?.

Clearly your articulation on this particular topic is justifying this decadent activity, because only a simpleton fool would advocate the conjecture mentioned by you above. Civilian corruption does exists, however the State does not openly provide stipend monthly allowances for them to spend on extravagant events, such as purchasing high class prostitutes which your community must be familiar with. I have the courage to at least admit the notion that corruption exists in Pakistan and the gates of hell fire is awaiting for them. However, when a person loves to spit shine shoes for his master then his spineless body has no will power to speak against the injustice of his society. Are you denying the assumption that the State does not provide a monthly stipend to each prince? How else did this prince magically purchase a house worth $37 million at the age of 29 and a known drug addict to boot.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Clearly your articulation on this particular topic is justifying this decadent activity, because only a simpleton fool would advocate the conjecture mentioned by you above. Civilian corruption does exists, however the State does not openly provide stipend monthly allowances for them to spend on extravagant events, such as purchasing high class prostitutes which your community must be familiar with. I have the courage to at least admit the notion that corruption exists in Pakistan and the gates of hell fire is awaiting for them. However, when a person loves to spit shine shoes for his master then his spineless body has no will power to speak against the injustice of his society. Are you denying the assumption that the State does not provide a monthly stipend to each prince? How else did this prince magically purchase a house worth $37 million at the age of 29 and a known drug addict to boot.

Neither me nor you or anyone else here on PDF, are able to determine whether this news is even authentic. Let's assume that it is. If it is, I could care less as I wrote. What do you want me to say or do?

You have no idea about the ground realities in KSA and you could not argue against the facts that I just mentioned so instead you pathetically started guessing what I support or defend despite clearly stating that I hold no Muslim regimes in high regard.

There is corruption in KSA and nobody denies that. However monthly allowances to princes and princesses have been greatly reduced and in some cases fully removed. Only 200 or so princes have any real power on the ground. The others live of the investments that most of the members of the House of Saud have done themselves. On many fronts those investments benefit the people and state as a whole. Look nu further than Prince Talal whose actual power/contribution to KSA and its people extend that of many House of Saud and non-House of Saud officials. Leading ones moreover.

So in short you will have good and bad ables among them (House of Saud) and there is a need for some serious reforms in KSA but that is not relevant to the discussion at hand or the hypocrisy/nonsense/ignorance that I have seen in this thread.

 

[Rasengan]

Citizens in KSA do not pay any taxes to the state and they happen to live in one of the richest countries on the planet. Education, healthcare and numerous other services are completely for free. Students are paid monthly when doing studies abroad for instance and favorable loans are almost never a problem for the average man or woman. Other states blessed by oil/gas/minerals and their citizens do not live anywhere as good on this front like the people of KSA and the GCC. No need to mention entities such as Venezuela, Libya, Iraq, Russia, Nigeria, Iran etc..

You repeat the same mantra like a broken record player in relation to the economic standing of Saudi Arabia in the world. Typical serfdom mentality of defending a group by dodging the original question and manipulating it to suit your requirements. These cockroach princes who come to Europe and spend lavishly are given money from the State. Therefore even though the social welfare system maybe good in Saudi Arabia, the public has a demand to ask why such an event occurs, when the government can enact policies to prevent it.

Lastly I could care less about any Muslim leaders. None, with very few exceptions, are even worthy of such a description.

So continue to waste your time on rumors or the sexual life of complete strangers along with the other "holy men" in this thread that are pointing fingers while their countrymen are worse and while their nations face many tougher and bigger problems on this front and others.

Then denounce the Al Saud family if you could care less about any Muslim leader I have never advocated the assumption that I am a holy man. However hypocrisy is ingrained within these princes because in Saudi Arabia they will play the pious card and push harsh laws on the ordinary citizens, while in the west there decadent behavior is blatantly obvious. Travel to Mayfair in London and see for your self In fact ask the local population in what they think of these hypocrite fools.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You repeat the same mantra like a broken record player in relation to the economic standing of Saudi Arabia in the world. Typical serfdom mentality of defending a group by dodging the original question and manipulating it to suit your requirements. These cockroach princes who come to Europe and spend lavishly are given money from the State. Therefore even though the social welfare system maybe good in Saudi Arabia, the public has a demand to ask why such an event occurs, when the government can enact policies to prevent it.

Ordinary people in KSA are constantly being given money from the same state. They enjoy more beneficiary economic benefits and services than people in the richest Western nations.

Now tell me about the conditions of the average Pakistani, Bangladeshi in the "democratic" states of Pakistan and Bangladesh for instance? Or the situation of the average Nigerian, Venezuelan, Russian, Farsi etc. living in countries that are flooded with oil, gas, minerals etc.

Oh wait, lol.

What don't you understand? There are many, many decent princes who have better morals and more format than many here but likewise there are bad apples like in EVERY segment of the society and family all over the world.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Yet, the same princes have invested enormous sums in Europe which benefit KSA and will benefit it for years to come.

What's the differences between corrupt princes in KSA and corrupt Mullah's in Iran, corrupt politicians/feudal lords in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India etc. etc.? There are none but only one House of Saud princes are given the sufficient publicity and are thus used as the main scapegoats.

Talk about hypocrisy.

Sorry, Arabs were never slaves. It was the other way around so I am not interested in your family history. I have wasted enough of my time.

 

[monitor]

A very shameful act by a person from a good family. He canbe called black horse of his family .on topic how many prince are there in Saudi Arabia and how many of them actually have any influence in royal family. If he is one from that rank it's very disgraceful and if he is from many prince who doesn't have any official or influential position then what's the logic of discussion. There are many pervert in any society so let them be.

 

[Indika]

corrupt politicians/feudal lords in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India etc. etc.?

Stop dragging my country in your shit war and clubbing with others. We are not a muslim country and we dont preach to others. Keep those for your slaves, pakistan.

 

[Rasengan]

Neither me nor you or anyone else here on PDF, are able to determine whether this news is even authentic. Let's assume that it is. If it is, I could care less as I wrote. What do you want me to say or do?

Personally I would appreciate the gesture of you condoning this action and accept the faults of the Saudi Royal Family who need to reform. I never preached the doctrine of rebellion against the government, however I have enough will power to condemn the elites of my own country.

You have no idea about the ground realities in KSA and you could not argue against the facts that I just mentioned so instead you pathetically started guessing what I support or defend despite clearly stating that I hold no Muslim regimes in high regard..

Read my correspondence with meticulous care. I never argued against the assumption that the social welfare system in Saudi Arabia is good. However nepotism and the providence of monthly stipends to princes is highly questionable and the people have the right to ask. Should the Saudi Government stop this practice?

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Stop dragging my country in your shit war and clubbing with others. We not a muslim country and dont preach to others. Keep those for your slaves pakistan.

I can talk about whatever I want to talk about. You are a nobody.

There are more Indian workers (which I presume that you regard as slaves) in the GCC than Pakistani ones. So talk about "slaves".

Besides your country and countrymen face more problems and more severe ones than those combined of the states I otherwise mentioned. What are you doing on a Pakistani forum, a majority Muslim country, anyway if you cannot stand being mentioned as an example alongside your NEIGHBORING countries?

If I was a Pakistani and moreover a Webmaster I would have banned your likes long ago. At times this forum seems to be an Indian forum.

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[Metanoia]

At least he's enjoying his time. Assuming the news is true word for word....it is quite unorthodox and perverted for the majority of people I would say....but it's alright I suppose. It's not like it's affecting our lives.

I genuinely know middle class average joes (Pakistanis from Isloo, Rawalpindi, and Karachi) and who have their own "perversions" which, if this prince heard, would definitely give it a try. That's the kind of world we live in in the end.

 

[Rasengan]

There is corruption in KSA and nobody denies that. However monthly allowances to princes and princesses have been greatly reduced and in some cases fully removed. Only 200 or so princes have any real power on the ground. The others live of the investments that most of the members of the House of Saud have done themselves. On many fronts those investments benefit the people and state as a whole. Look nu further than Prince Talal whose actual power/contribution to KSA and its people extend that of many House of Saud and non-House of Saud officials. Leading ones moreover

Finally you have the balls to admit that corruption does exists in your country. Why should the royal princes be allowed monthly allowance are they considered more superior than there underprivileged Arab brothers. These allowances have allowed them to behave decadently in western Europe, therefore a sane government who believes in justice would abandon this policy.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Personally I would appreciate the gesture of you condoning this action and accept the faults of the Saudi Royal Family who need to reform. I never preached the doctrine of rebellion against the government, however I have enough will power to condemn the elites of my own country.



Read my correspondence with meticulous care. I never argued against the assumption that the social welfare system in Saudi Arabia is good. However nepotism and the providence of monthly stipends to princes is highly questionable and the people have the right to ask. Should the Saudi Government stop this practice?

I guess that you must be blind since I did that already in this forum. Even in my initial post. HOWEVER I consider ANY person to be innocent unless proven otherwise. This news is a mere rumor whether you like it or not.

What's the point of any discussion when you do not have a sufficient knowledge on the ground realities and that you already have concluded that every House of Saud member is an evil spoiled, arrogant gay rapist or whatever the hell you have concluded?

It's a pointless discussion and personally I have nothing against further unrests in the Arab world/Muslim world if that would mean a shorter route to real progress but I am not sure if that would be the case.

 

[Indika]

I can talk about whatever I want to talk about. You are a nobody.

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like a mental retard . Carry on with your shit war.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Finally you have the balls to admit that corruption does exists in your country. Why should the royal princes be allowed monthly allowance are they considered more superior than there underprivileged Arab brothers. These allowances have allowed them to behave decadently in western Europe, therefore a sane government who believes in justice would abandon this policy.

Finally? I have criticized events that I believe are ought to be criticized in KSA, the GCC and Arab world for years. Practically all my life. As most people already do.

Educate yourself about the ground realities in GCC further or read my previous posts in this regard which you seem to have ignored deliberately. That or contact Saudi Arabians who live in KSA.

like a mental retard . Carry on with your shit war.

That was a nice description of your presence in this thread. I am not involved in any wars on the other hand it seems that you have just participated in a public rape or killed your neighbor due to him daring to eat beef, lol. You need to relax and accept that Pakistan and Bangladesh are your neighbors and that your country has colossal problems. Highest number of poor and illiterate people on the planet! We are not talking about the sexual life of some prince in the US here but real serious matters. BTW, your country is a new construct made up by 100's of ethnic groups and created by the Brits in 1947. Copied everything from them almost. Even the language.

Arabia on the other hand, aside from being inhabited by 1 people and being more or less 1 entity throughout its entire hsitory (second longest inhabited place on the planet outside of Eastern Africa), is not such a construct hence your understandable sensitive.

We see the same in regards to certain cosmetics and creams.

Also may I once again remind you of the fact that there are more of your nationals working in the GCC (according to you slaves) so I would not talk about Pakistanis if I where you.

 

[Rasengan]

Ordinary people in KSA are constantly being given money from the same state. They enjoy more beneficiary economic benefits and services than people in the richest Western nations.
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The State gives enough dry bones to please the masses, while the decadent princes continue there disgraceful activity. Oil accounts for nearly 85% of Saudi revenue and its significance will falter in the future, then we shall see how the fabled strong economy of your country will cope in the distant future.

Now tell me about the conditions of the average Pakistani, Bangladeshi in the "democratic" states of Pakistan and Bangladesh for instance? Or the situation of the average Nigerian, Venezuelan, Russian, Farsi etc. living in countries that are flooded with oil, gas, minerals etc.

Pakistan does not have any resources, therefore your analogy is quite pathetic However Pakistan defeated the Soviets in Afghanistan and for the past 14 years the Americans have been defeated by the Haqqani network which is controlled by our intelligence service. The investment done by China in phase one of CPEC will eventually change are current problems in the future.

 

[Metanoia]

@Rasengan Sir I have an honest question. I know you find the Prince's acts very unorthodox and immoral assuming the news is true word for word. However, how does it effect your life? Why do you care?