Saudi Nuclear and Missile Arsenal: Discussion

[SOHEIL]

Troll alert

You don't even know the meaning of trolling!

 

[19887]

The source is attached to the article above : "(Source: Special - Hisham Khreisat)." look for that on the net..

But he is not Israeli

 

[AmirPatriot]

"Saudi Arabia was hence able to win the confidence of China for the purchase of about 100 missiles of the DF-21 mode3 type, The latest in the Chinese military Industry at the time. The missile, which has a warhead weighing 2 tons, is much powerful than the missiles of some powerful countries, which do not exceed the 1 ton mark. These missiles are of great accuracy and are very lethal. This missile is fired from mobile or stationary launchers, The accuracy of this missile is not affected by the movement of the carrier, it also has a range of about 3000 km."

That's such BS

The highest known figure of DF-21 warhead is 600 kg.

The highest range is about 1700 km.

3000 km with 2 ton warhead

 

[flamer84]

Why is that? Explain.

The Russians tried hard and succeeded in keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of all former Soviet states which are more or less their satellites and they're going to want to arm Turkey which is a geopolitical rival even if they're on friendly terms today?

 

[SouI]

The Russians tried hard and succeeded in keeping nuclear weapons out of the hands of all former Soviet states which are more or less their satellites and they're going to want to arm Turkey which is a geopolitical rival even if they're on friendly terms today?

But that way of thinking doesnt make any sense.. Lets remember the current status quo for the sake of the discussion:

-Turkey is a NATO member.

-Turkey has nuclear bombs.

-Those nuclear bombs are under US control.

You gave example of the old soviet nations and Russia's attitude towerds their affairs of nukes..

But none of them was a NATO member to begin with. And none housed US nuclear bombs.

If some did, Russia would provide nuke technology to them in return of them giving up their NATOmemberships and the US nukes in their countries.

After a possible deal among Russia and Turkey, the aftermath would look like this:

-Turkey no longer is a member of NATO.

-Turkey would still have nucear bombs.

-Those nuclear bombs are no longer under US control but under the control of a friendlier nation that is Turkey.

So in terms of Russia interests, Russia would still be 66% positive in their interests instead of the old 0%.

 

[Max]

This is all fallacy.. There is no alliance between China, Pakistan and Saudi. China will sell its missile whoever it wants as China is not signatory of MTCR. selling weapons does not mean there is any alliance. i am sure China can sell missiles and jets to Iran, Argentina or anyone if they are ready to pay.

Saudi have no role in Pakistan's nuclear program, its Ghaddafi which paid 500 million in late 70's, Saudi just helped us after sanctions with delayed payment on oil, Pakistan and Saudi relations are also going downward after Yemen and now Qatar stance.

Saudis rely on uncle sam whom they recently paid $350 billion extortion. if they have little shame in themselves they should avoid looking to piss poor Pakistan for help.

 

[The SC]

That's such BS

The highest known figure of DF-21 warhead is 600 kg.

The highest range is about 1700 km.

3000 km with 2 ton warhead

Read again if you are not trolling! it is mode-3..do you have your own specs for it?

 

[AmirPatriot]

Read again if you are not trolling! it is mode-3..do you have your own specs for it?

You mean Mod 3, in which case it is the DF-21C with a 1700 km range (though US says 1550 km). And besides, there is no knowledge of which DF-21 version Saudi acquired (if at all).

Stating facts is not trolling.

 

[Saudi Typhoon]

nukes on saudi arabia are just bullshit
the world can detect the presence of nuclear weapons by its radiation.

saudi arabia should not join any alliance we must become neutral and benefit from both parties.

 

[The SC]

nukes on saudi arabia are just bullshit
the world can detect the presence of nuclear weapons by its radiation.

saudi arabia should not join any alliance we must become neutral and benefit from both parties.

Nope, they can't, the best example is the secret Iranian program and nuclear plants that the world came to know through some Iranian opposition people who have provided the locations and pictures to the US, UN and the international atomic agencies.. Otherwise no one would have know about its existence..and maybe Iran would have made nuclear weapons without any notice....I do believe that KSA has or can make Nuclear weapons at short notice and in extremis..if circumstances call for it..

You mean Mod 3, in which case it is the DF-21C with a 1700 km range (though US says 1550 km). And besides, there is no knowledge of which DF-21 version Saudi acquired (if at all).

Stating facts is not trolling.

Well, if you want to state fact, than talk about the accuracy of this missile with CE|P of 30 m, instead of pointing to the very old DF-23 who had a CEP of 1km..
Besides, DF-21 C or Mod-3 variant was tailor made to Saudi specs.. if one makes the warhead 1t instead of 2t, that might double the range easily, so instead of 1700 km, it goes to 3000 km..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Well, if you want to state fact, than talk about the accuracy of this missile with CE|P of 30 m, instead of pointing to the very old DF-23 who had a CEP of 1km..
Besides, DF-21 C or Mod-3 variant was tailor made to Saudi specs.. if one makes the warhead 1t instead of 2t, that might double the range easily, so instead of 1700 km, it goes to 3000 km..

• There is no such thing as a DF-23 (not anymore, anyway).
• I said nothing about the accuracy or indeed the version of the missile Saudi may have acquired, so kindly don't put words into my mouth.
• The DF-21C was a Chinese missile and therefore made to Chinese specs.
• There is no known figure for the DF-21C's warhead weight, and to expect it to jump from 600 kg with a 1770 km range to 2 tons with a 1700 km range (or 1 ton with a 3000 km range) is frankly laughable.
• And again, there aren't even any reports (as in, newspapers quoting "unnamed sources") of Saudi's DF-21 version, let alone it being the DF-21C.
• There isn't even any proof that Saudi has the DF-21 at all.

some Iranian opposition people

Whatever your prince Turki says, they are terrorists, not "opposition".

I do believe that KSA has or can make Nuclear weapons at short notice and in extremis..if circumstances call for it..

They don't even have a single centrifuge, they can't "make" nukes at all, let alone at short notice.

 

[HannibalBarca]

Only proven Nuclear arsenal "OWNED" in the "near" region is Pakistan... ( mostly muslim world...)
Therefore every thread about any country around the block is meaningless...even Israeli nuclear arsenal is only speculation and even more their "number"

As for DF-13... KSA didn't bought it for their "nuclear" capabilities... only a counter balance of power agaisnt regional "enemies"/"opponent" at that time...

End of Story

 

[The SC]

• There is no such thing as a DF-23 (not anymore, anyway).
• I said nothing about the accuracy or indeed the version of the missile Saudi may have acquired, so kindly don't put words into my mouth.
• The DF-21C was a Chinese missile and therefore made to Chinese specs.
• There is no known figure for the DF-21C's warhead weight, and to expect it to jump from 600 kg with a 1770 km range to 2 tons with a 1700 km range (or 1 ton with a 3000 km range) is frankly laughable.
• And again, there aren't even any reports (as in, newspapers quoting "unnamed sources") of Saudi's DF-21 version, let alone it being the DF-21C.
• There isn't even any proof that Saudi has the DF-21 at all.

Whatever your prince Turki says, they are terrorists, not "opposition".



They don't even have a single centrifuge, they can't "make" nukes at all, let alone at short notice.

Just read your post # 7.. it shows how much you know about the subject..
Saudis got many types of BM from China worth $60 billion a few years back, And not talking about the DF-23A with the big CEP.. but that is also a deterrent in case Saudi cities are targeted..
The specs can be different when it comes to range and payload.. and you find it laughable!?

With more than 7 underground cities and Missile bases.. no one knows what type of missiles KSA has bought, is making or there specs.. it is highly secretive..

Well Turkey might be your prince.. I don't have a prince..

Iran got its centrifuge tech from Mr Khan, so did many other nations..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Just read your post # 7.. it shows how much you know about the subject..

Yes, it does. It shows I know the facts, that is, Saudi Arabia deploys a number of DF-3A missiles around the country, launched from prepared, exposed, immobile launch pads. That is a fact and you cannot get away from it.

Your posts show what you know about your own thread. Saudi has the DF-3A missile, and is speculated to have the DF-21 missile (whichever variant). You are confusing the two missiles, and blending their capabilities to make this magical "DF-23A". Saudi Arabia does not have the "DF-23A" missile. That missile doesn't exist.

I hope I do not have to repeat myself.

Saudis got many types of BM from China worth $60 billion a few years back, And not talking about the DF-23A with the big CEP.. but that is also a deterrent in case Saudi cities are targeted..

$60 billion.

"Many types".

Sources sources sources. Where are they?

he specs can be different when it comes to range and payload.. and you find it laughable!?

I find it laughable that someone can suggest a missile can have a more than 3 fold increase in warhead weight yet maintain almost the same range. Even more laughable, that a warhead can almost double in weight while the range also doubles in weight. You are again confusing the DF-21 with the DF-3.

With more than 7 underground cities and Missile bases.. no one knows what type of missiles KSA has bought, is making or there specs.. it is highly secretive..

Saudi making ballistic missiles... lol.

But sure. They may even have some SS-18s down there. Who knows?

I don't have a prince..

So who told you the MEK is an "opposition" group?

Iran got its centrifuge tech from Mr Khan, so did many other nations..

I wasn't talking about where or how Iran may or may not have got its centrifuges. I just stated another fact, that is that Saudi Arabia does not possess nuclear centrifuges.

 

[The SC]

And who told you about all these speculations on your part.. you are taking your opinions as facts, and ignoring all the verified facts stated in the articles.. I think it is not worth it or substantial to argue with you.. I hope I won't have to repeat myself..

 

[AmirPatriot]

And who told you about all these speculations on your part.. you are taking your opinions as facts, and ignoring all the verified facts stated in the articles.. I think it is not worth it or substantial to argue with you.. I hope I won't have to repeat myself..

What "speculations".

Are you going to argue the characteristics of a launch pad? Are you going to say those launch pads are on wheels? Can those launch pads fly? Are those launch pads protected by an invisible shield? Do those big *** launch pads have a big *** cloaking device to hide from satellites in time of war?

What is a DF-23A?

The lengths to which you will go to explain away your jingoistic ignorance know no bounds.

What a fucking waste of time. It's like I'm talking to a wall.