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Saudi FM visiting Pakistan on Thursday, sources claim

Is he the nasal bald guy with the annoying style?

Cant stand that dude :sick:


They know we are replaceable
They know we dance to money - they have bought so many!
They know our weakness...it is a sad moment not something to gloat!
Replace us with who? americans? russians? w
egyptians? they have no trust in their own security services on account of tribal loyalties and inter family conflicts. americans would love to see the oil rich gulf states fall into chaos so China's oil supply is brought down to its knees. the russians are too close to iran & syria to be trusted. egypt has a love hate relationship with all the gulf states while China won't get involved militarily in the crazy world of arab politics. they can only trust our military establishment to ensure that we'll keep them in power without playing a double cross game where their last words would be "you too brutus"?
 
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Replace us with who? americans? russians? w
Malaysians, Indonesians?

Take your pick!

egyptians? they can only trust our military establishment to ensure that we'll keep them in power without playing a double cross game where their last words would be "you too brutus"?
O military sorry got sidelined!

Well these days machines do more work then human...technology investment started way back...they need less of us now
 
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Malaysians, Indonesians?

Take your pick!


O military sorry got sidelined!

Well these days machines do more work then human...technology investment started way back...they need less of us now
Malaysians & Indonesians don't have strong militaries & intelligence agencies like Pakistan does, not even close.
 
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Malaysians & Indonesians don't have strong militaries & intelligence agencies like Pakistan does, not even close.
With gadgets...these days everyone thinks they are expert photoshooters...

With half a brain...these days, every other person is an analyst! :unsure:
 
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Nothing to do with our DNA...

My greatgrandparents left everything in india and korban it for Pakistan. parents lived abroad for almost 3 decades but never changed their passport not even green card type... I myself have lived abroad since I was 2 years old and till date my passport is green! So lets not talk about my DNA!

I am also talking about the country so why are you getting annoyed?

Wait, i did not mean your DNA, it was a General Statement . I mean Sincerity is not part of DNA it comes from within and love for people and country , you understood wrong probably because of my poor grasp on English .

What have we done about it? Apart from media wars and letting them have the upper hand since the past 3 decades by allowing them to insult us on every forum instead of following 1 ayat which shows how idiots who claim tall tales are to be dealt with: ASK THEM TO BRING FORWARD THE TRUTH IF THEY ARE TRUTHFUL!

maybe because people are mislead by leaders from Punjab to believe that Partition was a mistake and they eat Aaloo Gosht , and we also eat Aaloo Gosht ?

Tell me before DGISPR when did we ever clarify our stance? We had a 3x winning champion PM whose mouth was always glued on any issue raised by india! It was as though he was paid to keep shut?!

PPPP came to power after a corrupt BB died, so I did not expect anything from them, PMLN was India's investment so no expectations , Mushy did raise his voice and see what Sons of the Soil did to him :)

Why would they?

You are jumping up and down when GCC havent even entered your country or used it as a physical battleground for money?! Yes that is what USA did when it fought with Russia!

You didnt lose 3 generations of your citizens (Afghani) as refugees for things your neighbour (Pakistan) did!

You didnt get bombed to the bronze age!

O wait we did get some of each of this in the form of Kashmir and USA drone attacks but those were invited attacks...anyway and we do hate whoever did so...SO how can you expect love from Afghanistan? Sure their politicians are also another level of idiots but ours are no less!

because we save them by Millions when USSR invaded , we did not ask USSR to invade Afghanistan, we help them get rid of them and look how they repay us ..

Who is Jumping ? not me of course ..

Hold on, we did not did this to Afghanistan, please correct your history Afghanistan was not Switzerland before USSR it was still a shit hole of a country , with Landlords terrorizing Local population with tons of drug production , so don't put it on us .

Afghanistan never bombed to any age, cause they never came out of dark ages to begin with ..

you are not making any sense .. Afghans entered Pakistan as refugee's and later some Taliban leaders entered illegally , thanks to our Tribal system which does not allow Pakistan army to be there or any system they thrive there , they recruited there and attack US forces , some of their stooges started making TTP and many of these people joined them, even in extreme fights go and see the videos of Journalists who went there you will see lots of Foreign fighters, who give them shelter ? who provide for them ? at least get your facts right ..

And how is that our fault or problem? Even the Shia of Pakistan are more loyal to Iran than Pakistan....Now what can one say about that? Same with some Sunni who will raise Saudi to the sky and not even think about raising Pakistan! This is the problem with OUR people and their preferences over Pakistan?!

Already gave you a solution, We need a strong Nationalism in Pakistan .. Pakistan first policy rest of that BS comes later .But than comes people like you and many other who are outsiders who support illegal activities and foreign fighters in Pakistan and blame that too on Pakistan and its poor policy ? We have Tajik , Uzebek fighters , tell me what did Pakistan ever did to those countries to deserve them fighting in Pakistan for Shariah ? why not fight in their land ?

PDF is an open forum not run by any ministry nor govt body! So anything stated here if it hurts China, it means China itself is not sincere! They will always have found something wrong to hold...because there is no such thing as absolute on the planet!

Yes so open that people openly being racist, ask a certain community as traitors and Ghaddars and ask them to go India without any action taken against them, Than you ask why we are in such misery .

No it isnt! The only reason America is considered world power is coz America has shown Russia as the boogeyman for Europe who are fearing Russia since World war! When they grow a pair, America's supreme power will decline!

your information is wrong , even if Russia grow 100 pair they still wont be able match US alone .. deal with it , America is going nowhere as Super Power .

As for American neighbours, that was just an example! If the world people had a little bit of brains, the number of wars America has picked.....and those citizens unite, do you actually think the states can stand?

America is fortunate to have good and weak neighbors, we are unfortunate to have Afghans, and Indians .. Stuck between two worse nation and people you can ever come across , I say Pakistan did good it would be best if we kick out Afghans , and seal the Border like America is planning . Build the wall

The problem is lack of unity for any cause! Otherwise with that many enemies, America theoretically shouldnt remain in power!

America is still more united than us, white or Black they support their citizen, unlike us where 3rd Generation Muhajir has to hear things like Go back to India . At least US give those immigrants later turned citizen every right as US born citizen .

So you will do nothing and wait for next generation? Brilliant!
So 1 -1000 men saying BS will make you leave?
So the cream is leaving? What about those who are bringing change? Are they the bottom feeders?
So women do all the work, men just sit eat and grow fat?
I dont have any specially! I believe both genders need to wake up and wake up fast!

When did i say that ? :cuckoo: I never said we should not do anything and put everything on Future Generations .
Problem is they are not 1-1000 if you roam you will find hundred of them here , I can name 4-5 right now if you want me too .. ?
yes the educated class is leaving , on this very forum Bihari's were called dark and black, i feel pity to them because Bihari's are one of the brightest students you will ever come across , Bihari's in Karachi are famous for been nerds and highly educated , how many Urdu speaking people leave Pakistan ? there is a whole community in Canada my uncle is part of it, who are consist of Poets , academics etc and i was amazed to hear their stories over the years how they been treated as outsiders .

Again, did not mean only women, I am glad that Women are catching up fast , the university i finished my MBA, more than 50% of students in my campus are girls . there is nothing wrong in keeping hope, specially when our males are busy in deciding who is Son of Soil and who is not .
 
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We arent super human...we can be replaced!
Doesn't that hold true for the saudis as well? they only have oil. If we go full steam ahead in our own oil & gas extraction, where does that leave the importance of the saudis?
 
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Anyways, the winds of Change have already started to blow, and there is nothing to stop it. Let me elaborate.

I don't know if you fellows know this, but since a few years, specially in the past 5-years, the Economic conditions in UAE and SA have started to deteriorate. For example, the property sector in UAE is in recession, the properties have lost about 30% in value, and there is talk of halting any new constructions for 3-years.

Now, there are two types of workers in Middle East. Number-1: highly educated, like IT techs, engineers, managerial finance, etc - essentially 'White Collars'. Number-2: Laborers with little education but then trained by the local companies to perform certain 'blue' collar jobs, in other words, shi.tty jobs.

Now, those in number-1 category, have already moved or starting to move to countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Europe, and even Japan where there is crisis due to skills shortages. I know of lots of these people who have recently moved to Australia.

So the only people who are vulnerable are those in Number-2 category. Some of these people have returned to Pakistan. But a lot of them have not due to the nil job opportunities in Pakistan.

Now is the perfect opportunity to get rid of Middle East dependency. It is the responsibility of the Government to create these opportunities for these people. Building Houses is a very good initiative and it should be full stream ahead because this sector alone can employ millions of these people.

I can say this with certainty that if the Government follows the right job creation policies, the people of Pakistan do not have to go to Middle East in the next 10-years. Pakistan can be completely independent of Middle East in the next-10 years as far as jobs are concerned.
 
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Approx 80 more years, and they will run out of oil, or may be sooner depending on production. Btw the hired gora’s to develop everything.
Facts! its kind of interesting how the west has used "superior drilling technology" to suck out so much of KSA's oil reserves. Even Bob Bear said it back at least a decade before that Saudis pump records amts of water into their wells to try to get the oil out, so many large fields are in their final phases..but they keep pumping oil though..lol...
 
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I think you either act dumb or seriously are!

You need a vision to develop a desert otherwise like Thar with labour you can cry for generations and achieve nothing!

And your last sentence is nothing but a cheap jibe as you always enjoy throwing around!

@waz @WebMaster was that last sentence necessary? You listen to all his cries when he is warned, please also note how he acts when he isnt whining!


If I am not going to set standards who is?
Stop trying to think others will give 2 hoots about my nation! It is my people and I need to guide them and set them right, no wahyu is gonna come


You can pretend all you want, I dont pretend!

Our society has a keera! It is simple....NEVER point out a cat, just close you eyes like a dove and the cat will disappear!

No, life isnt like that! Open your eyes and know that there is a cat and make your plan!

Can YOU deny that 2 families with 2-3 generations looted Pakistan (not including lawyers, tv anchors, doctors, professors, judges, politicians and army)...SO much that they have eaten Pakistan for 2-3 generations....

THAT alone answers your PRETENSE that we had nothing!

We had and have everything just lack sincerity! And that is what I pointed out for KSA...if you need to burn about the truth, what can we do about it? It will still remain as the truth! Deal with it!

As for our neighbour, Dont you think USA has Mexico as its neighbour? Yet it progressed....
Japan has China as its neighbour, it still progressed.
South Korea has North Korea as its neighbout, but they sacrificed their today for a tomorrow...something MY forefathers did when they left india...However, today's generation doesnt even know what sacrifice means! They are just enjoying the success of our forefathers instead of standing on their own feet!

THIS lazy attitude is also in Arabs. Their next generation is doomed but so is ours! SO instead of looking at others and enjoying other's misery! Try looking at your own and doing something about it instead of only feeling good by pointing out other people's sore points!


You want America to pull you around like a puppet? Well isnt that what Zia did? Isnt that how Zardari sold Pakistan and Shariffs also? SO what are you missing?

EACH took money from America, not 10 cents but in billions....When you grow a pair to question where that went then come talk! Till then keep pointing at others and getting jealous or failing to see that they put their billions somewhere while ours went to Swiss bank accounts of few families!
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Personal attack by a mod. Now how would you feel if I called you dumb?
You reported me to @waz @WebMaster. What did my post say that warranted you getting backup?

It's a real shame @Dubious. A discussion doesnt have to be personal but then again us dumb people wouldnt know that would we?
I stopped reading after the 1st sentence and just saw you reported me....God know why?
If you cant discuss without getting personal then perhaps you shouldnt have opinions.
I wonder if one mod will say to another why did u call him dumb? He Trango didnt say anything personal to you? Why anything said against arabs affects you so much more than anything said against Pakistan or Pakistani's.

Please @Dubious no need to answer. They are questions for thinking not answering.

Have a good day. I dont hate you. Hate seems to be one way and consuming.
 
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