Saudi donors most signifcant source of terrorism funding in Pakistan

[Zarvan]

It boggles the mind to see the Saudis begging for our help. After all Saudi has done to destabilize our backyard, it has the cheek to ask for our military's support.

The Saudis should know that we are not stupid. The establishment is well aware of Saudi role in exporting its toxic Salafi ideology to our madrassas, and funding militant groups such as TTP, Lashkar Jhangvi and rogue clerics like Mullah Aziz of Lal Masjid fame.

As a matter of principle the Pakistani establishment will not get involved in a sectarian conflict in Yemen. Iran is our neighbor and we want to promote good relations with it.We are willing to have good relations with the Saudis as well, if they course-correct and stop funding anti state Salafi-inspired militants targeting our civilians and soldiers.

As far as ISIS knocking on Saudi's front door, it is a case of chickens coming home to roost. The Saudis should have thought of the consequences before they created and provided startup funding for ISIS.

We advise the Saudis to do the following if they want us to consider helping defend its territorial integrity if needed.

1. Stop providing funds and weapons to Lashkar Jhangvi and other TTP factions busy murdering Pakistani civilians, policemen and soldiers, effectively trying to destabilize the state.

2. Stop exporting the deviant Salafi/Wahhabi ideology founded by the rogue, Abdel Wahab, who ISIS keeps quoting in their daily lectures in Iraq and Syria.

3. Stop funding radical madrassas that promote your deviant salafi ideology and act as a support network for TTP militants, as you have been requested by the interior ministry - this includes the Saudi NGOs you use as proxy funding channels.

4. Dismantle your 200 year old alliance with the Wahhabi/salafi clergy and renounce this toxic ideology.

Until all of the above happens, the establishment will continue to see Saudi as an enemy of the state.

They are not begging for our help and you are just blindly following lies of western paid idiots who have no clue about the issue

 

[Yazp]

And still this nation bows down to the saudis just because they have custody of the Kaabah and holy sites.

 

[Daneshmand]

Wow. Just wow.

What can I say.

This thread should open the eyes of Pakistani who blindly support Saudi Arabia.

 

[Yazp]

Wow. Just wow.

What can I say.

This thread should open the eyes of Pakistani who blindly support Saudi Arabia.

You're no better than the Saudis either. Both of you deserve to be nuked over and over again.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

It boggles the mind to see the Saudis begging for our help. After all Saudi has done to destabilize our backyard, it has the cheek to ask for our military's support.

The Saudis should know that we are not stupid. The establishment is well aware of Saudi role in exporting its toxic Salafi ideology to our madrassas, and funding militant groups such as TTP, Lashkar Jhangvi and rogue clerics like Mullah Aziz of Lal Masjid fame.

As a matter of principle the Pakistani establishment will not get involved in a sectarian conflict in Yemen. Iran is our neighbor and we want to promote good relations with it.We are willing to have good relations with the Saudis as well, if they course-correct and stop funding anti state Salafi-inspired militants targeting our civilians and soldiers.

As far as ISIS knocking on Saudi's front door, it is a case of chickens coming home to roost. The Saudis should have thought of the consequences before they created and provided startup funding for ISIS.

We advise the Saudis to do the following if they want us to consider helping defend its territorial integrity if needed.

1. Stop providing funds and weapons to Lashkar Jhangvi and other TTP factions busy murdering Pakistani civilians, policemen and soldiers, effectively trying to destabilize the state.

2. Stop exporting the deviant Salafi/Wahhabi ideology founded by the rogue, Abdel Wahab, who ISIS keeps quoting in their daily lectures in Iraq and Syria.

3. Stop funding radical madrassas that promote your deviant salafi ideology and act as a support network for TTP militants, as you have been requested by the interior ministry - this includes the Saudi NGOs you use as proxy funding channels.

4. Dismantle your 200 year old alliance with the Wahhabi/salafi clergy and renounce this toxic ideology.

Until all of the above happens, the establishment will continue to see Saudi as an enemy of the state.

 

[babbar]

Zionist propaganda. The ISI has not caught any saudis with petro riyals at chaman. The Taliban use INR and if that does not convince an intelligent person I dont know what will.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

Wow. Just wow.

What can I say.

This thread should open the eyes of Pakistani who blindly support Saudi Arabia.

The Pakistani establishment is not blind to Saudi role in promoting proxy militants in our backyard.

 

[Daneshmand]

The Pakistani establishment is not blind to Saudi role in promoting proxy militants in our backyard.

Let's hope that they are not.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

Express Tribune

Some context, to start with: Mr Nawaz Sharif is Prime Minister of Pakistan — his third try. His second ended in Jeddah, whence a long, loving bond was established.

He returned in 2007 (two years early, despite Lebanon’s Saad Hariri tut-tutting to the contrary). What’s different about the Pakistan he leads in 2015 than the one he was forced out of in ’99?
The fact that there’s a war going on — for the heart and soul of the country. So how did Mr Sharif fare there?
In a surreal press conference a few years ago, Mr Sharif’s brother pleaded, “We in the PML-N opposed (General Musharraf) and rejected dictation from abroad. If the Taliban are also fighting for the same cause then they should not carry out acts of terror in Punjab.”

The Chief Minister of Punjab told the Taliban, essentially, that they were on the same side — feel free though to blow K-P and Karachi and Quetta to smithereens. Which they did, and left the brothers alone.
But come May 2013, and Mr Sharif was no longer the CM’s brother — he was the prime minister of the country. And just 10 days after his election, the prime minister told us what he would do to the demons that had torn the country apart.

“Why shouldn’t we sit, talk, and engage in dialogue?” he asked. Fair enough: the Taliban may have waged one of the bloodiest wars in the history of bloody wars, but to ‘not negotiate with terrorists’ was a Bushism — like all Bushisms, it was best avoided.
Negotiations went on, with the press embarrassing itself over the minutiae of mass-murders; how the Taliban served their guests the very currency of Western capitalists: fizzy colas. It soon emerged though that the Taliban weren’t rational actors. Obviously.

Or, if they were, that their rationale was to regroup. They took Swat to continue to Buner. They mulled over the Constitution, then rampaged through our district courts. They called ceasefires, then executed 23 of our soldiers. They talked up, like Mr Sharif did, the merits of peace, then attacked our airport.
So when the army went after them in North Waziristan, the government mumbled assent — after the fact. Left to Mr Sharif, who took no ownership of fighting the Taliban (until the military did it for him), who refused to let the peace talks go, who thought they would leave our castles in Punjab alone, Pakistan would be stuck in 2013: embracing child-murderers as they sink the knife in.
Which makes last week evermore ironic. “Any threat to Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity,” the PM boomed, “would evoke a strong response from Pakistan.”
From the man who couldn’t say the word ‘Taliban’ after they massacred our children in Peshawar, this is impressive. For the PM, threats to Saudi Arabia’s integrity will evoke a strong response from Pakistan — threats to Pakistan’s own integrity, not so much.
As for said threats, the trail of breadcrumbs stretches straight from southern Punjab to Saudi Arabia — it smells of petrol, and it erupts in imambargah explosions.
Which makes our present path nothing short of disastrous. To break it down: a sectarian agenda is destabilising Pakistan — and Pakistan announced it would be stabilising that sectarian agenda.
If one can call it an agenda. Of late, the House Saud’s stock has been plummeting, while the ayatollahs have been making gains. Because when it comes to mud-fights, Iran’s proxies fare better than Riyadh’s.

Iran backs the blood-splattered Ba’ath Party in Syria, and Assad, gruesome as ever, has managed to hang on. Move to the right, and Tehran also has a lock on Iraq, by the grace of the Bush Administration. Run left, and Hezbollah fighters are growing bigger and braver in Lebanon. Go further down, and even Hamas is wandering into Iran’s orbit.
By contrast, the House Saud can’t catch a break. Former baby ISIS has gone rogue, and ISIS paranoia (or far too many Game of Thrones readings) has caused the Saudis to build a 600-km wall, to keep the barbarians at bay. Meanwhile, Qatar’s smirking too much, Bahrain’s uneasy, and Egypt’s Sisi is a full-blown extortion artist.

Which is why, when the Houthis ran through Yemen, enough was enough. The Saudis launched the hilariously named Operation Determination Storm, and began bombing Yemen more ferociously than it ever did ISIS. The US nods along blankly: it will help the Saudis bomb Iran’s supporters in Yemen while it helps Iran bomb ISIS in Iraq.
Welcome to the Middle East, where only one law should hold: don’t take sides.
Firstly, we have no motive. Pakistan has no stake in Yemen, has never been invaded by Yemen, has never been threatened by Yemen, has never been much aware of Yemen. It’s the poorest country in the Middle East (now bombed by the richest, as one observer put it).

Second, protecting Saudi Arabia’s integrity is all well and good, but it is Saudi Arabia that is breaching Yemen’s integrity, not the other way round. International law doesn’t quite sanction preemptory cavalries.
Third, staying out of the ruckus has been a winning play so far: remember Syria? Remember the Iran-Iraq war? Not a bad idea, in retrospect.

Fourth, Pakistan’s own passive sectarianism is a matchstick away from ignition. Our own problems with sectarianism pose considerable challenges that can exacerbate in case of any Pakistani involvement in the conflict in Yemen.
Fifth, it would be best to airlift the hundreds of Pakistanis in Yemen out, than jeopardise their lives by sending more in — Bahrain stands testament.

Sixth — though easy to forget in the air-conditioned offices of Constitution Avenue — we have a full-scale war of our own, and it’s for the future of this country.
Back in the ’90s, when Saddam Hussein was running wild, a younger, bolder Mr Sharif ran up against his army chief. The loathsome General Beg supported Saddam’s as-loathsome forays in Kuwait. Of course, Mr Sharif’s opposition wasn’t informed by any humanitarian considerations for the Kuwaitis; he swayed whichever way the Saudis swayed.
A generation later, it’s time we carved out a policy based on self-interest. The wider world may be losing the plot; sanity demands we look inward.

Pakistan shares a border with Iran, and a prime minister with Saudi Arabia. Best to sit this round out.

 

[TalibanSwatter]

Saudi- funded Lashkar e Jhangvi along with TTP was responsible for attacking GHQ in 2009. It's funny that Saudis are now asking the same GHQ for military support! How can we send our soldiers to help a country that has been busy funding Salafi-inspired militant groups targeting our soldiers and civilians?

Despite Nawaz Sharif's soft spot for our supposed friends, we must not send troops to aid this Saudi-imposed war on Yemen.

Hope the military establishment exercises better judgement than our idiot PM.

 

[Shamain]

@Irfan Baloch , apko kya lagta hai ? Is saudi involved directly. Idont think so saudi will ever be directly involved in funding attacks on army as you know how saudia has always since our inception looked towards our army for support and the unspoken accords . Damaging our army for saudi is like cutting tree branch its perched on.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

@Irfan Baloch , apko kya lagta hai ? Is saudi involved directly. Idont think so saudi will ever be directly involved in funding attacks on army as you know how saudia has always since out inception look towards our army for support and the unspoken accords . Damaging our army for saudi is like cutting tree branch its perched on.

Like i explained earlier. its not Saudi state policy to destroy us by funding LeJ and TTP but some influential Saudis ARE indeed funding the terrorists..

I am not talking about extremists because extremists can be reformed and thought to other non-wahabi humanity
for Saudis, fighting proxy war with Iran is paramount at any cost and Pakistan is no exception. maybe initially saudis didnt want TTP and LeJ to become butchers at an industrial scale but this is a the consequence.

Americans also suspect the Saudi Royal family's involvement in 9/11 and point at three major figures like Bandar bin sultan Tukey Al faisal and Walid Al talal involved in funding Al Qaeda (much after when it had USA in its sights). but American administrations have made some peace with the Saudis and we are much lower in the food chain so lets pray that Saudis are not officially interested in turning Pakistan into Syria or Libya.

 

[Shamain]

Like i explained earlier. its not Saudi state policy to destroy us by funding LeJ and TTP but some influential Saudis ARE indeed funding the terrorists..

I am not talking about extremists because extremists can be reformed and thought to other non-wahabi humanity
for Saudis, fighting proxy war with Iran is paramount at any cost and Pakistan is no exception. maybe initially saudis didnt want TTP and LeJ to become butchers at an industrial scale but this is a the consequence.

Americans also suspect the Saudi Royal family's involvement in 9/11 and point at three major figures like Bandar bin sultan Tukey Al faisal and Walid Al talal involved in funding Al Qaeda (much after when it had USA in its sights). but American administrations have made some peace with the Saudis and we are much lower in the food chain so lets pray that Saudis are not officially interested in turning Pakistan into Syria or Libya.

Bahi ididnt read this whole thread only first few posts. So didnt know of your posts here, but itagged you to ask your pov. So iam sorry ididnt know what you have written here.
Acha back to topic. You seem to have a valeid point abt lej that maybe they hired them against shia. But mercenary mercnary hota hai so their allegiance shifted to those who gave bigger funding that is india israeletc.and then they grew into monsters.
tell me who will gain from attacking ghq??
See thing is saudia has always supported pakistan for two reasons ,first being a sunni country secondly, for military. They cant risk doing panga with army cuz they look up to them for protection just like see how they are crying like babies against houthis. Losing pak army means losing nuclear weapons losing nuclear weapons means saudias protection from pak goes out the window. saudia must have funded terror groups initially but there has been a lot of propoganda done by west and mainly india to increase hate towards saudis, you know why cause in 65 war saudia helped us, in 98nuclear tests saudia offered free oil cuz of uk usa sanctions , ithink helped with oil in 99 war too. India knows of all support saudia has given us in history and how much can come in future so work has been done in increasing ill will. India has always done this thing throughout history,they are only good at running propoganda and lie mills . Look at them here and on every other forum what they are doing , trying to create misundersgandings.
I wont say that saudia has no hand but a lot seems to have been spread purposefully to increase anti feelings.
Aap hamesha yaad rakhna hamara jo bhi dost, helper jo bhi hoga india ussay hamesha tornay ki koshish karay ga.
Ihave no respect for saudis i should add.

 

[Psychic]

Bahi ididnt read this whole thread only first few posts. So didnt know of your posts here, but itagged you to ask your pov. So iam sorry ididnt know what you have written here.
Acha back to topic. You seem to have a valeid point abt lej that maybe they hired them against shia. But mercenary mercnary hota hai so their allegiance shifted to those who gave bigger funding that is india israeletc.and then they grew into monsters.
tell me who will gain from attacking ghq??
See thing is saudia has always supported pakistan for two reasons ,first being a sunni country secondly, for military. They cant risk doing panga with army cuz they look up to them for protection just like see how they are crying like babies against houthis. Losing pak army means losing nuclear weapons losing nuclear weapons means saudias protection from pak goes out the window. saudia must have funded terror groups initially but there has been a lot of propoganda done by west and mainly india to increase hate towards saudis, you know why cause in 65 war saudia helped us, in 98nuclear tests saudia offered free oil cuz of uk usa sanctions , ithink helped with oil in 99 war too. India knows of all support saudia has given us in history and how much can come in future so work has been done in increasing ill will. India has always done this thing throughout history,they are only good at running propoganda and lie mills . Look at them here and on every other forum what they are doing , trying to create misundersgandings.
I wont say that saudia has no hand but a lot seems to have been spread purposefully to increase anti feelings.
Aap hamesha yaad rakhna hamara jo bhi dost, helper jo bhi hoga india ussay hamesha tornay ki koshish karay ga.
Ihave no respect for saudis i should add.

Saudi state is not involved yes they helped LEJ initially to counter shia/Iranian influence in Pakistan but they also work closely with GOP.
Now they want a stable Pakistan bcz they don't gain any thing with an unstable Pakistan.
Some influential Saudis may be involved in funding terrorists but that does not mean that their govt is involved. Blaming Saudi govt for their citizens is just like blaming Pakistani govt for Malik Ishaq or Mullah Fazlu.

 

[Shamain]

Saudi state is not involved yes they helped LEJ initially to counter shia/Iranian influence in Pakistan but they also work closely with GOP.
Now they want a stable Pakistan bcz they don't gain any thing with an unstable Pakistan.
Some influential Saudis may be involved in funding terrorists but that does not mean that their govt is involved. Blaming Saudi govt for their citizens is just like blaming Pakistani govt for Malik Ishaq or Mullah Fazlu.

Malik ishaq always had support of our gov. The terrorism in pak we see today is also a result of our pol parties and gov. And yes saudi gov does deserve blame.
If saudi citizens were funding it was saudis job to blck the funding. And saudi gov has always remained invloved in such activities in some way or other.