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Saudi Arabia's unlikely Russian arms deals

For the less-informed, Iskander missiles are short ranged missiles that come in guided or unguided versions. Primary task involves bombarding Forward Air Bases of enemy in a surprise attack grounding the enemy aircraft and allowing friendly air force to operate without much resistance. They are launched in massive numbers like rockets from an MRLS rather than typical missiles.

The only hostile country near KSA with an Air Force is Iran.
 
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For the less-informed, Iskander missiles are short ranged missiles that come in guided or unguided versions. Primary task involves bombarding Forward Air Bases of enemy in a surprise attack grounding the enemy aircraft and allowing friendly air force to operate without much resistance. They are launched in massive numbers like rockets from an MRLS rather than typical missiles.

The only hostile country near KSA with an Air Force is Iran.
Export version has 280~ KM range which if even launched on Saudi beach across Persian gulf it cannot reach any air base in Iran. Please before posting any troll comment do some research.
 
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The vodka addicts are the ones who offered the missiles, and we won't say no.

Russia has little of interest that KSA and the GCC cannot buy from other sources. Aside from that Russia cannot be trusted.

KSA, the GCC and the Arab world should forget about Russia completely and look towards China. That's the future and in the case of KSA, China is already the biggest trading partner and the relations are cordial on almost every front and there is good reason to believe that they will only improve with time.

Iran cannot do anything against KSA or the GCC nor do they dare to attack. There won't be any war between those two rivals. The continuation of the current proxy wars at most with KSA prevailing in Syria and Yemen.
 
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Russia has little of interest that KSA and the GCC cannot buy from other sources. Aside from that Russia cannot be trusted.

KSA, the GCC and the Arab world should forget about Russia completely and look towards China. That's the future and in the case of KSA, China is already the biggest trading partner and the relations are cordial on almost every front and there is good reason to believe that they will only improve with time.

Iran cannot do anything against KSA or the GCC nor do they dare to attack. There won't be any war between those two rivals. The continuation of the current proxy wars at most with KSA prevailing in Syria and Yemen.

War is devastating only normal citizens dies and war-lords survive. On the other hand Iran does not need to start war with Arab countries across Persian gulf because they are fighting with them selves. Oman is out of GCC literally , Qatar is working against all the Arab countries by supporting terrorism and propaganda via Aljazeera Tv , Kuwait doesn't want sectarian war broke out in his country because there is somehow balance sunni-shia population , Bahrain has all day protest inside so only Saudi and UAE left. Saudi has Shia minority in Qatif and al ahsa which mostly doesn't support the government also another big threat is ISIS which showed can conduct many operations across the country.
Middle east is correctly on fire doesn't have to start another fight. Iran also correctly suffer from economical issues which hopeful will be solved by coming years.
 
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War is devastating only normal citizens dies and war-lords survive. On the other hand Iran does not need to start war with Arab countries across Persian gulf because they are fighting with them selves. Oman is out of GCC literally , Qatar is working against all the Arab countries by supporting terrorism and propaganda via Aljazeera Tv , Kuwait doesn't want sectarian war broke out in his country because there is somehow balance sunni-shia population , Bahrain has all day protest inside so only Saudi and UAE left. Saudi has Shia minority in Qatif and al ahsa which mostly doesn't support the government also another big threat is ISIS which showed can conduct many operations across the country.
Middle east is correctly on fire doesn't have to start another fight. Iran also correctly suffer from economical issues which hopeful will be solved by coming years.

Only your first sentence and your two last sentences make sense with all due respect.

GCC is a fully integrated regional union. Economically, politically and militarily. Oman is a important component of the GCC. Qatar has their own ambitions and views but overall they are closely aligned to the GCC. All 6 GCC states are that. It's complete and utter madness to think that all 6 countries will have the EXACT same views about every single issue at hand.

Daesh has only been behind 3 terrorist attacks in KSA in the span of 2 years and those bombings killed less than 40 people in total. Despite KSA bordering Iraq directly (1000 km of border) and Yemen where the border is twice as long. Syria is a stone throw away too.

Shia's in KSA make up 20-15% of the population and almost all of them are loyal citizens. Nor are they causing any problems outside of a tiny problematic minority in Qatif.

Being against the regime in Arab country x or y or wanting political changes is completely normal and there are many more Sunni Saudi Arabian (be it Shafi'is, Malikis, Hanbalis, Hanafis) or Sufis that want the same thing to happen. A regime does not equal a country.

The fact is that no Muslim country will ever attempt to attack KSA as this would be suicide form a religious perspective nor can any power conquer KSA completely which is the 12 biggest country on the planet and which has never been controlled by any foreigner in history completely despite several attempts starting from the Assyrian Empire over 3000 years ago to failed invasions/attempts by Romans and later Byzantines.

Iraq will look like a picnic trip in comparison for any invading force trying to enter KSA. Only the US would be capable of such a thing but they would only be able to have control of the main population centers and only partially.

Geography, history, weather etc. would be huge, huge obstacles for any invader. I can't see it happening so there is no point discussing this topic.
 
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Only your first sentence and your two last sentences make sense with all due respect.

GCC is a fully integrated regional union. Economically, politically and militarily. Oman is a important component of the GCC. Qatar has their own ambitions and views but overall they are closely aligned to the GCC. All 6 GCC states are that. It's complete and utter madness to think that all 6 countries will have the EXACT same views about every single issue at hand.

Daesh has only been behind 3 terrorist attacks in KSA in the span of 2 years and those bombings killed less than 40 people in total. Despite KSA bordering Iraq directly (1000 km of border) and Yemen where the border is twice as long. Syria is a stone throw away too.

Shia's in KSA make up 20-15% of the population and almost all of them are loyal citizens. Nor are they causing any problems outside of a tiny problematic minority in Qatif.

Being against the regime in Arab country x or y or wanting political changes is completely normal and there are many more Sunni Saudi Arabian (be it Shafi'is, Malikis, Hanbalis, Hanafis) or Sufis that want the same thing to happen. A regime does not equal a country.

The fact is that no Muslim country will ever attempt to attack KSA as this would be suicide form a religious perspective nor can any power conquer KSA completely which is the 12 biggest country on the planet and which has never been controlled by any foreigner in history completely despite several attempts starting from the Assyrian Empire over 3000 years ago to failed invasions/attempts by Romans and later Byzantines.

Iraq will look like a picnic trip in comparison for any invading force trying to enter KSA. Only the US would be capable of such a thing but they would only be able to have control of the main population centers and only partially.

Geography, history, weather etc. would be huge, huge obstacles for any invader. I can't see it happening so there is no point discussing this topic.

You didn't understand my point i did not meant the economy of GCC nor military what i mean't was more on politics. Oman is largely against Saudi policies in region we saw Oman didn't send forces to Yemen nor Bahrain. Oman position is somehow base on there religion belief which is Ibadi and as Wahhabism call them as khawarej so they are not getting so close to Saudi .
I read recently they have plan to build a bridge from Oman to Iran which indicate they are closer to us.
Qatar and turkey are more allies then Qatar and Saudi we saw that in Egypt and Libya crisis also situation in Syria somehow Qatar openly supports Isis. Qatar supports ikhavans in eygpt which Saudi and UAE are against them. Even in Libya which i am not quite familiar but one side is supported by Egypt and UAE other is support by turkey and Qatar.
Regarding the Qatif you are wrong the problem is not from the Shia minority but from terrorists who explode two bombs in their mosques, also we saw aftermath where many came to street and protest , i don't think they are loyal but maybe because of money they are .
If Saudi requires regime change my brother western will finish it in a month remember Iran's shah ? yeah its about oil they hate Islam don't think if they are close to Saudi its means they are support no its more like a game. Geopolitics.
Saudi has a lot of issues with Al Qaeda in the region which is not odd because they are from their own ideology.
 
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You didn't understand my point i did not meant the economy of GCC nor military what i mean't was more on politics. Oman is largely against Saudi policies in region we saw Oman didn't send forces to Yemen nor Bahrain. Oman position is somehow base on there religion belief which is Ibadi and as Wahhabism call them as khawarej so they are not getting so close to Saudi .
I read recently they have plan to build a bridge from Oman to Iran which indicate they are closer to us.
Qatar and turkey are more allies then Qatar and Saudi we saw that in Egypt and Libya crisis also situation in Syria somehow Qatar openly supports Isis. Qatar supports ikhavans in eygpt which Saudi and UAE are against them. Even in Libya which i am not quite familiar but one side is supported by Egypt and UAE other is support by turkey and Qatar.
Regarding the Qatif you are wrong the problem is not from the Shia minority but from terrorists who explode two bombs in their mosques, also we saw aftermath where many came to street and protest , i don't think they are loyal but maybe because of money they are .
If Saudi requires regime change my brother western will finish it in a month remember Iran's shah ? yeah its about oil they hate Islam don't think if they are close to Saudi its means they are support no its more like a game. Geopolitics.
Saudi has a lot of issues with Al Qaeda in the region which is not odd because they are from their own ideology.

Close economic and military ties are the two most important political parameters in a relationship. Besides Oman is an active member of the GCC.

Omanis are fellow Arabians. Oman is a neighbor of KSA with close millennium old ties on almost all fronts. It's quite frankly a joke to suggest that Oman has a better relationship with Iran than KSA. A country they have little in common with aside from Oman controlling large parts of Southern Iran until not that long ago. That and trade ties which the entire region (GCC + Iran) share together.

Besides Oman is ruled by an absolute ruler (a childless one) who is currently sick and once he will be gone Oman is likely to pursue an even closer policy with the remaining GCC.

There was no need for any Omani forces and it's not a secret that Sultan Qaboos has always pursued a neutral policy in the region. This does not mean anything in the wider picture.

A bridge between Oman and Iran? Are you serious?

Sunnis form almost 50% of Oman's population and besides of that Ibadi's are the most conservative Muslim sect. Nor is there anything called "Wahhabism" to begin with. What you foolishly call "Wahhabism" is the Hanbali fiqh - one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam.

KSA's new leadership has cordial ties with Qatar and in any case despite certain political differences the two neighboring Arabian countries will always have more in common with each other than the opposite and this goes for all GCC states and Arab countries as a whole.

You make it sound like KSA and Qatar are about to engage in a war against each other. Not that Qatar would last more than a few hours….

You have a wrong idea about the ground realities. Saudi Arabian Shia's are as loyal to their fellow countrymen and land as any citizen. Regime here is irrelevant as they can come and go but they will remain Arabians regardless of what happens.

I won't comment on your last sentence which is ridiculous but in case you do not know it then Islam as a whole originated in what is today KSA. Same thing with Sunni and Shia Islam and Sufism. Ibadi Islam originated in KSA (Hijaz) too for that matter.

I myself am a Shafi'i Sunni Muslim. This was traditionally the most widespread madhhab in Iran before the Azeri/Kurdish/Hashemite Arab (or whatever they claimed) Safavids forcefully converted Iran into Twelver Shia Islam while importing Shia Arab clerics from Southern Iraq, Lebanon, Eastern Arabia etc.

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway we are off-topic.

In my view the regime in KSA should keep a distance from Russia and instead move their focus towards China much more.
 
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Close economic and military ties are the two most important political parameters in a relationship. Besides Oman is an active member of the GCC.

Omanis are fellow Arabians. Oman is a neighbor of KSA with close millennium old ties on almost all fronts. It's quite frankly a joke to suggest that Oman has a better relationship with Iran than KSA. A country they have little in common with aside from Oman controlling large parts of Southern Iran until not that long ago. That and trade ties which the entire region (GCC + Iran) share together.

Besides Oman is ruled by an absolute ruler (a childless one) who is currently sick and once he will be gone Oman is likely to pursue an even closer policy with the remaining GCC.

There was no need for any Omani forces and it's not a secret that Sultan Qaboos has always pursued a neutral policy in the region. This does not mean anything in the wider picture.

A bridge between Oman and Iran? Are you serious?

Sunnis form almost 50% of Oman's population and besides of that Ibadi's are the most conservative Muslim sect. Nor is there anything called "Wahhabism" to begin with. What you foolishly call "Wahhabism" is the Hanbali fiqh - one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam.

KSA's new leadership has cordial ties with Qatar and in any case despite certain political differences the two neighboring Arabian countries will always have more in common with each other than the opposite and this goes for all GCC states and Arab countries as a whole.

You make it sound like KSA and Qatar are about to engage in a war against each other. Not that Qatar would last more than a few hours….

You have a wrong idea about the ground realities. Saudi Arabian Shia's are as loyal to their fellow countrymen and land as any citizen. Regime here is irrelevant as they can come and go but they will remain Arabians regardless of what happens.

I won't comment on your last sentence which is ridiculous but in case you do not know it then Islam as a whole originated in what is today KSA. Same thing with Sunni and Shia Islam and Sufism. Ibadi Islam originated in KSA (Hijaz) too for that matter.

I myself am a Shafi'i Sunni Muslim. This was traditionally the most widespread madhhab in Iran before the Azeri/Kurdish/Hashemite (or whatever they claimed) Safavids forcefully converted Iran into Twelver Shia Islam while importing Shia Arab clerics from Southern Iraq, Lebanon, Eastern Arabia etc.

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anyway we are off-topic.

In my view the regime in KSA should keep a distance from Russia and instead move their focus towards China much more.

In the present situation the military , ethnic and sec is primary force then afterwards comes economy but yes economy is key to military. I didn't said Oman is out of GCC i said it's not fully participating in what GCC does or decides.

Again you are mistaking, Oman has many military and economy relation with Iran also in recent trip that Sultan Qabos hafiz allah had to Tehran they mention they are willing to increase the trades and invest more on the economy ties.
The Oman is part of GCC and strong because of Iran , during Shah's era there was reblion supported by soviet and commies with help of Iran and UK Sultan survived and that's 50% of why we are close to each other. You didn't saw news about nuclear deal that happened in Oman and two side Iran and west met there and discussed the issues ?
Sultan Qabos because is our ally he get so much criticism such as absolute ruler and childish but overall he is great person hope god heal him and grant him a long and great life.

I also saw on news that Oman send delegation for peace talks between ansar al allah and southern Resistance to solve the conflict.

Yes actually you search about the bridge you can see the articles.

Seriously ? Sunnis in Oman are less then 50% all of them are ibbadi which we don't see anything negative about them.
Oh really ? so wahhabism is part of sunni ? then salafism is also sunnis ? Imam hanbal said kill shia and go to heaven ?
Imam hanbal said rape 9 year old girl ? imam hanbal said bury 400 izadi child alive ? imam hanbal said kill Muslim ?even sunna ? steal their money ? i don't think so. Don't hide the truth.

I know the history of my country and its not related to our topic here.
Apparently that's good idea because USA is somehow getting off being worlds leader, i heard in future Chinese currency will take US dollar place.
 
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In the present situation the military , ethnic and sec is primary force then afterwards comes economy but yes economy is key to military. I didn't said Oman is out of GCC i said it's not fully participating in what GCC does or decides.

Again you are mistaking, Oman has many military and economy relation with Iran also in recent trip that Sultan Qabos hafiz allah had to Tehran they mention they are willing to increase the trades and invest more on the economy ties.
The Oman is part of GCC and strong because of Iran , during Shah's era there was reblion supported by soviet and commies with help of Iran and UK Sultan survived and that's 50% of why we are close to each other. You didn't saw news about nuclear deal that happened in Oman and two side Iran and west met there and discussed the issues ?
Sultan Qabos because is our ally he get so much criticism such as absolute ruler and childish but overall he is great person hope god heal him and grant him a long and great life.

I also saw on news that Oman send delegation for peace talks between ansar al allah and southern Resistance to solve the conflict.

Yes actually you search about the bridge you can see the articles.

Seriously ? Sunnis in Oman are less then 50% all of them are ibbadi which we don't see anything negative about them.
Oh really ? so wahhabism is part of sunni ? then salafism is also sunnis ? Imam hanbal said kill shia and go to heaven ?
Imam hanbal said rape 9 year old girl ? imam hanbal said bury 400 izadi child alive ? imam hanbal said kill Muslim ?even sunna ? steal their money ? i don't think so. Don't hide the truth.

I know the history of my country and its not related to our topic here.
Apparently that's good idea because USA is somehow getting off being worlds leader, i heard in future Chinese currency will take US dollar place.

Let's make this simple. Oman and KSA are direct neighbors, fellow Arabian/Arab/Semitic nations, fellow GCC and Arab League member states. The two countries and peoples have close millennium old ties on almost every front.

That Oman and Iran have cordial ties nowadays (this was not the case historically) thanks to Sultan Qaboos is not very relevant in the wider picture nor does it change the facts that I mentioned earlier in this post.

Oman will not be neutral if Iran would be foolish enough to attack KSA. You can be 100% sure about that.

Ibadis are basically Khawarij and they have more in common with Sunni Muslims than Shia Muslims. Nor are they relevant. Also they are the most conservative mainstream Muslim sect. You really should read up about them.

Sunnis are the second biggest religious group in Oman and are very significant in numbers. Almost 50% is not far-fetched. Whole regions in Oman are majority Sunni Muslim (Shafi'i). For instance the historical Dhofar region.

There is nothing called "Wahhabism" and nothing that you have mentioned is taught anywhere by Hanbalis in KSA. Daesh is Daesh and their cult has no interest for me as a Muslim. You can equate or belief whatever you want to as absurd those beliefs might be. Nobody is stopping you and after all this is PDF.
 
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Let's make this simple. Oman and KSA are direct neighbors, fellow Arabian/Arab/Semitic nations, fellow GCC and Arab League member states. The two countries and peoples have close millennium old ties on almost every front.

That Oman and Iran have cordial ties nowadays (this was not the case historically) thanks to Sultan Qaboos is not very relevant in the wider picture nor does it change the facts that I mentioned earlier in this post.

Oman will not be neutral if Iran would be foolish enough to attack KSA. You can be 100% sure about that.

Ibadis are basically Khawarij and they have more in common with Sunni Muslims than Shia Muslims. Nor are they relevant. Also they are the most conservative mainstream Muslim sect. You really should read up about them.

Sunnis are the second biggest religious group in Oman and are very significant in numbers. Almost 50% is not far-fetched. Whole regions in Oman are majority Sunni Muslim (Shafi'i). For instance the historical Dhofar region.

There is nothing called "Wahhabism" and nothing that you have mentioned is taught anywhere by Hanbalis in KSA. Daesh is Daesh and their cult has no interest for me as a Muslim. You can equate or belief whatever you want to as absurd those beliefs might be. Nobody is stopping you and after all this is PDF.

No doubt Arab ethnics are closer with each other but its more like a brotherhood with Iran.
Iran and Oman are allies for ever hopefully , nobody talked about attack on Saudi from Oman. Oman military is weak only to bring peace inside the borders not outside, but if there would be any treats on Oman Iran will definitely interfere and help our brothers. like 40+ years ago.
I know they are known as khawarij in Saudi not in Iran , they are our Muslim brothers and we will support them. Moreover i heard from my friend from UAE his is sunni if you interested to know , he mentioned they are more likely shia rather sunni like 60% - 40%. not sure . Wikipedia does not support full info on them. As prophet Muhammad (pbuh) anyone who ever say's tashahod is Muslim (اتقوا الله و لا تتفرقوا)
Only that region you said is fully Sunni the rest is ibbadi also some minority shittes which all live very peacefully together thanks to sultan. The only country in region that there is no sec conflicts.

Daesh is not alone same acts was witnessed by all al Qaeda groups in all Islamic world there are also no linked to wahhabism ? so where they learn to perform suicide bombing , raping and killing innocent people ? all of them are similar and connected but isis is way more devilish.
 
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No doubt Arab ethnics are closer with each other but its more like a brotherhood with Iran.
Iran and Oman are allies for ever hopefully , nobody talked about attack on Saudi from Oman. Oman military is weak only to bring peace inside the borders not outside, but if there would be any treats on Oman Iran will definitely interfere and help our brothers. like 40+ years ago.
I know they are known as khawarij in Saudi not in Iran , they are our Muslim brothers and we will support them. Moreover i heard from my friend from UAE his is sunni if you interested to know , he mentioned they are more likely shia rather sunni like 60% - 40%. not sure . Wikipedia does not support full info on them. As prophet Muhammad (pbuh) anyone who ever say's tashahod is Muslim (اتقوا الله و لا تتفرقوا)
Only that region you said is fully Sunni the rest is ibbadi also some minority shittes which all live very peacefully together thanks to sultan. The only country in region that there is no sec conflicts.

Daesh is not alone same acts was witnessed by all al Qaeda groups in all Islamic world there are also no linked to wahhabism ? so where they learn to perform suicide bombing , raping and killing innocent people ? all of them are similar and connected but isis is way more devilish.

All sane Arabians/Arabs consider fellow Arabians and Arabs as brothers and sisters and Oman is no exception when it comes to the vast majority of Saudi Arabians. How could it be any differently?

I am just telling you that Oman will take the side of not only KSA but any other GCC member state if a foreign country (for instance Iran) attacks. Vice versa too of course. If that was not the case Oman would not be a member of the GCC.

I know Ibadism well and Ibadi Muslims in person and they are a closer to mainstream Sunni Islam than Shia Islam. You can ask knowledgeable people about this and they will confirm it. Or ask Ibadis themselves.

Mainstream Islamic scholars mostly agree that Ibadism developed out of the Khawarij movement. They have on many fronts unique beliefs but I personally consider them to be Muslims as do most people on the Arabian Peninsula. They are harming nobody and nobody is harming them.

In any case you are very mistaken if you think that they are not a very conservative group of Muslims because they are.

You should read this below. Written by a professor of Islamic Studies with no ties to the Muslim world and thus no bias is involved.

IBADI ISLAM: AN INTRODUCTION

Valerie J. Hoffman (Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Illinois)


Ibadism, a distinct sect of Islam that is neither Sunni nor Shi‘i, exists mainly in Oman, East Africa, the Mzab valley of Algeria, the Nafus mountains of Libya, and the island of Jerba in Tunisia. The sect developed out of the seventh-century Islamic sect known as the Khawarij, and shares with that group the desire to found a righteous Muslim society and the belief that true Muslims are only to be found in their own sect. Ibadis refer to themselves as “the Muslims” or “the people of straightness” (ahl al-istiqama). Nonetheless, Ibadis see themselves as quite different from Khawarij.

Whereas the Khawarij had labeled all Muslims who committed a grave sin without repentance mushrikun--i.e., unbelievers whose guilt is tantamount to idolatry and merits the capital punishment deserved by all apostates of the faith--Ibadis see such people as kuffar ni‘ma--monotheists who are ungrateful for the blessings God has bestown upon them. Ibadis distinguish between kufr ni‘ma and kufr shirk, which is the unbelief of idolatry. The Khawarij had not made such a distinction, and neither do the Sunni Muslims, who likewise equate kufr with unbelief but, unlike the Khawarij, maintain that a sinning Muslim is still a believer. The word kufr, which is typically translated into English as “unbelief,” literally means “ingratitude.” The characteristic position of human beings, according to the Qur’an, is not their ignorance of the existence of God, but their failure to be grateful for His kindness and blessings, which should prompt people to turn to Him in worship and give generous charity to the poor, orphans and widows. The Qur’an contrasts the believers, who are grateful (shakirun), with the unbelievers, who are ungrateful (kafirun).

The Ibadi attitude toward kuffar ni‘ma, whether they be sinning Ibadis or non-Ibadi Muslims, was that one should practice “dissociation” (bara’a) toward them. This “dissociation,” however, is usually an internal attitude of withholding “friendship” (wilaya), rather than outright hostility. Nonetheless, non-Ibadis who call themselves Muslims and pray facing the direction of the Ka‘ba are ahl al-qibla, not idolaters. They may be kuffar, but not in the sense of idolatry, only in the sense of kufr ni‘ma outlined above. The practice of dissociation (bara’a) does not imply enmity. Nur al-Din al-Salimi (1869-1914) clarified this when asked about the difference between dissociation from an unbeliever (bara’at al-mushrik) and dissociation from a corrupt monotheist (bara’at al-muwahhid al-fasiq). Salimi replied:

Although the mushrik is farther [from the truth] than the corrupt monotheist, both are cursed. Nonetheless, the Law allows certain things with the corrupt monotheist that it does not allow with the polytheist, such as intermarriage, eating their slaughtered animals, inheritance, giving the greeting of peace, saying “God bless you” if he sneezes, praying behind him, praying over him if he dies, accepting his testimony, and interacting with him in all worldly matters just as one would interact with Muslims with whom one has wilaya.[1]

It is interesting to note that British observers of Omani rule in East Africa commented that Ibadis are the least fanatic and sectarian of all Muslims, and openly associate with people of all faiths and pray together with Sunni Muslims. Hostile action is reserved for one type of person: the unjust ruler who refuses to mend his ways or relinquish his power.

In theology, the Ibadis adopt the positions of the Mu‘tazila on the questions of tawhid: rejecting a literal interpretation of all anthropomorphic descriptions of God; denying the possibility of seeing God in this life or the afterlife; rejecting the existence of eternal attributes in God that are distinct from His essence; and upholding the doctrine of the creation of the Qur’an. They also part ways with Sunni Muslims in their condemnation of ‘Uthman, ‘Ali and Mu‘awiya and their rejection of the Prophet’s intercession on behalf of grave sinners and of all possibility of rescue from hellfire: punishment in hellfire is eternal, as the Qur’an says. They do not uphold the notion of an intermediate position between faith and kufr, but, as we have already indicated, they distinguish between different types of kufr, drawing a sharp distinction between kufr ni‘ma and kufr shirk. However, on the question of free-will vs. predestination the Ibadi position is virtually identical to that of al-Ash‘ari: God is the creator of all human acts, which are termed “acquisitions.”

There are minor differences between the prayer observances of Ibadis and Sunnis. Ibadis, like the Shi‘a and the Malikis, pray with their arms down at their sides. They do not say Amin after the Fatiha, and they do not say the qunut invocation in the fajr prayer. They believe that Friday prayer should be held only in major cities in which justice prevails--meaning that for centuries Ibadis did not observe congregational prayer because of the lack of a just Imam--and they reject the blessing of tyrannical rulers in the khutba.

The righteous Imamate is a topic of great importance in Ibadi legal literature. The Imam should be chosen for his knowledge and piety, without any regard to race or lineage. He should be chosen by the elders of the community, who are also obligated to depose him if he acts unjustly. The last “true Imam” to unite the entire country of Oman under his power was Ahmad ibn Sa‘id (ruled 1754-1783 CE), founder of the BuSa‘idi dynasty that remains in power to this day. His descendants took the title not of Imam, with its connotations of religious leadership, but Sayyid, an honorific title held by any member of the royal family. Later, they used the title Sultan, implying purely coercive power. Thus they relinquished all pretense of spiritual authority, although they patronized Muslim scholars and promoted Islamic scholarship. Ibadi scholars were often actively engaged in trying to actualize the true Islamic state; they poured forth their longings in poetry, even as they elaborated the foundations of piety in lengthy works of jurisprudence. The Ibadi scholars of Oman--and the Mzab valley of Algeria, although the linkage of Ibadism with Omani identity has necessarily made Oman the focus of Ibadi political aspirations--have not merely taught and studied: they have agitated, led revolts, elected Imams, and been the true leaders of Omani society, as both moral exemplars and arbiters of power. Shaykh Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili (1811-1870), a mystic, poet and scholar of Arabic grammar and rhetoric who is credited with inaugurating Oman’s literary revival, is even more famous for his role in leading a rebellion against Sultan Turki and establishing the Imamate of ‘Azzan ibn Qays (1868-1871), which was overthrown only through British intervention. Nur al-Din al-Salimi led a new Imamate movement in 1913, and forced his student, Salim ibn Rashid al-Kharusi, to accept the role of Imam on pain of death. When Salim was assassinated in 1920, another of Salimi’s students, Muhammad ibn ‘Abdallah al-Khalili, grandson of the great Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili, who was appointed to succeed him. For seven years the British defended the Sultan in Muscat and eventually in 1920 arranged the so-called Treaty of Seeb, the formal agreement which ambiguously divided the authority of the “Sultan of Muscat and Oman” from that of the “Imam of the Muslims,” who ruled in the interior. This division remained in force until Sultan Sa‘id ibn Taymur secured the allegiance of the tribes of the interior in the 1950's.


Omanis had settled in East Africa for centuries, and periodically parts of East Africa came under direct rule from Oman, although more often individual Omani families ruled East African city-states, most famously the Mazru‘is of Mombasa. But Sayyid Sa‘id ibn Sultan (ruled 1806-1856) was able to consolidate central Omani rule over the Swahili coast, and in 1832 he moved his capital to Zanzibar. On the Swahili coast Ibadis found themselves a minority, ruling over a largely Shafi‘i Muslim population. In the nineteenth century Zanzibar became an important center of Islamic scholarship, attracting scholars from Oman as well as from other parts of East Africa, such as Somalia, Lamu, Mombasa and the Comoro Islands. In Zanzibar Ibadis were exposed to contemporary Islamic currents in a way that had not been possible in Oman. Sayyid Barghash ibn Sa‘id, who ruled Zanzibar from 1870 to 1888, was well-read and deeply interested in world affairs, and established a printing press to promote Ibadi scholarship. Ibadis in Zanzibar continued to take great interest in the political affairs of Oman, and many ardently supported the movement that established the Imamate of ‘Azzan ibn Qays (1868-1871). In the period following this Imamate, many Omanis fled unstable economic and political conditions at home and settled in Zanzibar. Among them was Nasir al-Rawwahi, a great poet, scholar, mystic and judge known in Oman as Abu Muslim al-Bahlani (1860-1920), who emigrated to Zanzibar as a young man, along with his father, who had served under Imam ‘Azzan ibn Qays as judge in Nizwa. Rawwahi was an ardent supporter of the Ibadi ideal; his scholarly writings reflect fully the tradition of Ibadi learning, and his extensive commentary on Nur al-Din al-Salimi’s poem on jurisprudence is a tribute to the range of his learning and his consistency with Ibadi tradition. His poems are of a deeply mystical character, and Rawwahi has a reputation for being a “divine” (rabbani) poet in the full sense of the word--a man so enraptured with the divine beauty, so privileged with the vision of the unseen, that his poetry belongs to a realm beyond our own. Some of his poems, dhikr meditations on the Divine Names, were intended to be used for devotional purposes. Like the other great Ibadi scholars, he disdained either to write love poetry or panegyric. Yet this otherworldly mystic was also a man of this-worldly politics. As one researcher commented, “His entire diwan indicates that the poet was fighting the opponents of Ibadism in Zanzibar.”[2] He greatly admired the lives of the leaders of Ibadism, to the point where he said, “God will accept no religion other than theirs.”[3] In his youth he was a close friend of Ahmad ibn Sa‘id al-Khalili, son of the great Shaykh Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili, and the latter’s influence on Nasir al-Rawwahi is palpable. In the movement to establish the Imamate of Salim ibn Rashid al-Kharusi, Rawwahi compared his role to that of Hassan ibn Thabit, the personal poet of the Prophet Muhammad.

But moving to Zanzibar enabled him to expand his cultural horizons a great deal. He was chief judge and advisor of Sultans Hamad ibn Thuwayni (1893-1896) and Hamud ibn Muhammad (ruled 1896-1902), even traveling with the latter in coastal East Africa in late 1898, penning his observations in a booklet that has been published by the Ministry of National Heritage and Culture in Oman. His attitude toward modern innovations may be compared with that of Nur al-Din al-Salimi, who had written that it is impermissible to learn the languages of the Europeans or adopt any of their manners or send one’s children to their schools.[4] In contrast, Rawwahi openly admired the improvements brought to the region by British administration. He observed that the town of Lamu, a traditional center of Muslim culture and scholarship on an island off the coast of Kenya, had narrow streets and old, crooked buildings, and its inhabitants manifested diseases of body and soul. The British, he says, had left the city as it was, restricting themselves to road repair and building hospitals. He expressed his hope that the English would not leave Lamu in this condition, but would plant the “civilization” (tamaddun) in it that they had in their own capitals. He praised the justice of British administration in Zanzibar.

It is a sign of Rawwahi’s cosmopolitanism and his difference from earlier Ibadi scholars that he was influenced by the ideas of the Egyptian reformer Muhammad ‘Abduh, and established the first newspaper in Oman or Zanzibar, called Al-Najah, to propagate ‘Abduh’s ideas. He corresponded with non-Ibadi Muslim leaders, and sent a poem to Riyad Pasha thanking him for his efforts to reconcile Muslims and Copts in Egypt. Like Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili, Rawwahi is a fascinating blend of contradictions: an ardent supporter of a pure Ibadi Imamate, a friend and counselor of sultans, an admirer of British rule; affirming the traditional Ibadi doctrine that non-Ibadi Muslims are kuffar ni‘ma, but expressing his admiration for non-Ibadi Muslims and advocating a unity that encompasses not only Muslims, but non-Muslims as well; a judge and journalist advocating modern “civilization,” and a mystic who longs for the righteous Ibadi Imamate.

Sultan Sa‘id ibn Taymur, who ruled Oman from 1932-1970, was a staunch conservative whose resistance to Westernization was so strong that Omanis were not allowed to own automobiles, and the country had no paved roads until 1968. But he sent his son, the present sultan, Qaboos, to London to study at the Sandhurst Military Academy. This Qaboos deposed his father in 1970 and set about modernizing Oman at a rapid rate. So far Oman has managed to avoid unthinking Westernization and its corollary, Islamic reactionism. Islam remains an important part of life, but in a thoroughly natural and non-politicized way. The government supports the publication and dissemination of Ibadi scholarship, but the rhetoric of Ibadism is noticeably absent from its public pronouncements. Scholars like Nur al-Din Salimi and Sa‘id al-Khalili are sources of national pride, but their struggles against the BuSa‘idi sultanate are downplayed. It is noteworthy that Nur al-Din al-Salimi’s son, Muhammad, wrote a poem in praise of Sultan Qaboos. Abu Nabhan Ja‘id ibn Khamis (1734/5-1822), an important Ibadi scholar of the early BuSa‘idi period, confidently wrote that regardless of how kind, pious and good non-Ibadi Muslims may be, they will inevitably go to hell in the afterlife.[5] But the present Grand Mufti of Oman, Shaykh Ahmad ibn Hamad al-Khalili, believes that the differences between Sunni and Ibadi Muslims are subsidiary issues that are of little eternal consequence and in no way impede Muslim unity.[6] One can say that today Ibadism is hardly sectarian, and the dream of establishing a modern Imamate has given way to aspirations more typical of modern life.


[1]Jawabat al-Imam al-Salimi, ed. ‘Abd al-Sitar Abu Ghadda, vol. 6, 2nd printing, 1419/1999, p. 210.

[2]Muhammad b. Nasir b. Rashid al-Mahruqi. Abu Muslim al-Bahlani Sha`iran, M.A. thesis, Sultan Qaboos University, 1995, p.72.

[3]Ibid.

[4]Nur al-Din ‘Abdallah ibn Humayd al-Salimi, Badhl al-majhud fi mukhalafat al-Nasara wa ’l-Yahud. Matabi‘ al-Batiniyya/Maktabat al-Imam Nur al-Din al-Salimi, 1995.

[5]Fatwa in a collection of manuscripts in the Zanzibar National Archives, ZA 8/40.

[6]Interview with author in Ministry of Religious Affairs, Muscat, May 2001.

http://islam.uga.edu/ibadis.html

Are you serious? Find me 1 single example of such practices being taught by any mainstream Islamic sect in KSA? You simply cannot.

As Muslims we do not accept labels given by non-Muslims. The Hanbali fiqh is one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam. They are as Muslim as anybody else. People calling Hanbalis for "Wahhabis" should not complain when people call them Rafidah or Majoos. All those labels are bound in politics and nothing more.
 
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All sane Arabians/Arabs consider fellow Arabians and Arabs as brothers and sisters and Oman is no exception when it comes to the vast majority of Saudi Arabians. How could it be any differently?

I am just telling you that Oman will take the side of not only KSA but any other GCC member state if a foreign country (for instance Iran) attacks. Vice versa too of course. If that was not the case Oman would not be a member of the GCC.

I know Ibadism well and Ibadi Muslims in person and they are a closer to mainstream Sunni Islam than Shia Islam. You can ask knowledgeable people about this and they will confirm it. Or ask Ibadis themselves.

Mainstream Islamic scholars mostly agree that Ibadism developed out of the Khawarij movement. They have on many fronts unique beliefs but I personally consider them to be Muslims as do most people on the Arabian Peninsula. They are harming nobody and nobody is harming them.

In any case you are very mistaken if you think that they are not a very conservative group of Muslims because they are.

You should read this below. Written by a professor of Islamic Studies with no ties to the Muslim world and thus no bias is involved.

IBADI ISLAM: AN INTRODUCTION

Valerie J. Hoffman (Professor of Islamic Studies at the University of Illinois)


Ibadism, a distinct sect of Islam that is neither Sunni nor Shi‘i, exists mainly in Oman, East Africa, the Mzab valley of Algeria, the Nafus mountains of Libya, and the island of Jerba in Tunisia. The sect developed out of the seventh-century Islamic sect known as the Khawarij, and shares with that group the desire to found a righteous Muslim society and the belief that true Muslims are only to be found in their own sect. Ibadis refer to themselves as “the Muslims” or “the people of straightness” (ahl al-istiqama). Nonetheless, Ibadis see themselves as quite different from Khawarij.

Whereas the Khawarij had labeled all Muslims who committed a grave sin without repentance mushrikun--i.e., unbelievers whose guilt is tantamount to idolatry and merits the capital punishment deserved by all apostates of the faith--Ibadis see such people as kuffar ni‘ma--monotheists who are ungrateful for the blessings God has bestown upon them. Ibadis distinguish between kufr ni‘ma and kufr shirk, which is the unbelief of idolatry. The Khawarij had not made such a distinction, and neither do the Sunni Muslims, who likewise equate kufr with unbelief but, unlike the Khawarij, maintain that a sinning Muslim is still a believer. The word kufr, which is typically translated into English as “unbelief,” literally means “ingratitude.” The characteristic position of human beings, according to the Qur’an, is not their ignorance of the existence of God, but their failure to be grateful for His kindness and blessings, which should prompt people to turn to Him in worship and give generous charity to the poor, orphans and widows. The Qur’an contrasts the believers, who are grateful (shakirun), with the unbelievers, who are ungrateful (kafirun).

The Ibadi attitude toward kuffar ni‘ma, whether they be sinning Ibadis or non-Ibadi Muslims, was that one should practice “dissociation” (bara’a) toward them. This “dissociation,” however, is usually an internal attitude of withholding “friendship” (wilaya), rather than outright hostility. Nonetheless, non-Ibadis who call themselves Muslims and pray facing the direction of the Ka‘ba are ahl al-qibla, not idolaters. They may be kuffar, but not in the sense of idolatry, only in the sense of kufr ni‘ma outlined above. The practice of dissociation (bara’a) does not imply enmity. Nur al-Din al-Salimi (1869-1914) clarified this when asked about the difference between dissociation from an unbeliever (bara’at al-mushrik) and dissociation from a corrupt monotheist (bara’at al-muwahhid al-fasiq). Salimi replied:

Although the mushrik is farther [from the truth] than the corrupt monotheist, both are cursed. Nonetheless, the Law allows certain things with the corrupt monotheist that it does not allow with the polytheist, such as intermarriage, eating their slaughtered animals, inheritance, giving the greeting of peace, saying “God bless you” if he sneezes, praying behind him, praying over him if he dies, accepting his testimony, and interacting with him in all worldly matters just as one would interact with Muslims with whom one has wilaya.[1]

It is interesting to note that British observers of Omani rule in East Africa commented that Ibadis are the least fanatic and sectarian of all Muslims, and openly associate with people of all faiths and pray together with Sunni Muslims. Hostile action is reserved for one type of person: the unjust ruler who refuses to mend his ways or relinquish his power.

In theology, the Ibadis adopt the positions of the Mu‘tazila on the questions of tawhid: rejecting a literal interpretation of all anthropomorphic descriptions of God; denying the possibility of seeing God in this life or the afterlife; rejecting the existence of eternal attributes in God that are distinct from His essence; and upholding the doctrine of the creation of the Qur’an. They also part ways with Sunni Muslims in their condemnation of ‘Uthman, ‘Ali and Mu‘awiya and their rejection of the Prophet’s intercession on behalf of grave sinners and of all possibility of rescue from hellfire: punishment in hellfire is eternal, as the Qur’an says. They do not uphold the notion of an intermediate position between faith and kufr, but, as we have already indicated, they distinguish between different types of kufr, drawing a sharp distinction between kufr ni‘ma and kufr shirk. However, on the question of free-will vs. predestination the Ibadi position is virtually identical to that of al-Ash‘ari: God is the creator of all human acts, which are termed “acquisitions.”

There are minor differences between the prayer observances of Ibadis and Sunnis. Ibadis, like the Shi‘a and the Malikis, pray with their arms down at their sides. They do not say Amin after the Fatiha, and they do not say the qunut invocation in the fajr prayer. They believe that Friday prayer should be held only in major cities in which justice prevails--meaning that for centuries Ibadis did not observe congregational prayer because of the lack of a just Imam--and they reject the blessing of tyrannical rulers in the khutba.

The righteous Imamate is a topic of great importance in Ibadi legal literature. The Imam should be chosen for his knowledge and piety, without any regard to race or lineage. He should be chosen by the elders of the community, who are also obligated to depose him if he acts unjustly. The last “true Imam” to unite the entire country of Oman under his power was Ahmad ibn Sa‘id (ruled 1754-1783 CE), founder of the BuSa‘idi dynasty that remains in power to this day. His descendants took the title not of Imam, with its connotations of religious leadership, but Sayyid, an honorific title held by any member of the royal family. Later, they used the title Sultan, implying purely coercive power. Thus they relinquished all pretense of spiritual authority, although they patronized Muslim scholars and promoted Islamic scholarship. Ibadi scholars were often actively engaged in trying to actualize the true Islamic state; they poured forth their longings in poetry, even as they elaborated the foundations of piety in lengthy works of jurisprudence. The Ibadi scholars of Oman--and the Mzab valley of Algeria, although the linkage of Ibadism with Omani identity has necessarily made Oman the focus of Ibadi political aspirations--have not merely taught and studied: they have agitated, led revolts, elected Imams, and been the true leaders of Omani society, as both moral exemplars and arbiters of power. Shaykh Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili (1811-1870), a mystic, poet and scholar of Arabic grammar and rhetoric who is credited with inaugurating Oman’s literary revival, is even more famous for his role in leading a rebellion against Sultan Turki and establishing the Imamate of ‘Azzan ibn Qays (1868-1871), which was overthrown only through British intervention. Nur al-Din al-Salimi led a new Imamate movement in 1913, and forced his student, Salim ibn Rashid al-Kharusi, to accept the role of Imam on pain of death. When Salim was assassinated in 1920, another of Salimi’s students, Muhammad ibn ‘Abdallah al-Khalili, grandson of the great Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili, who was appointed to succeed him. For seven years the British defended the Sultan in Muscat and eventually in 1920 arranged the so-called Treaty of Seeb, the formal agreement which ambiguously divided the authority of the “Sultan of Muscat and Oman” from that of the “Imam of the Muslims,” who ruled in the interior. This division remained in force until Sultan Sa‘id ibn Taymur secured the allegiance of the tribes of the interior in the 1950's.


Omanis had settled in East Africa for centuries, and periodically parts of East Africa came under direct rule from Oman, although more often individual Omani families ruled East African city-states, most famously the Mazru‘is of Mombasa. But Sayyid Sa‘id ibn Sultan (ruled 1806-1856) was able to consolidate central Omani rule over the Swahili coast, and in 1832 he moved his capital to Zanzibar. On the Swahili coast Ibadis found themselves a minority, ruling over a largely Shafi‘i Muslim population. In the nineteenth century Zanzibar became an important center of Islamic scholarship, attracting scholars from Oman as well as from other parts of East Africa, such as Somalia, Lamu, Mombasa and the Comoro Islands. In Zanzibar Ibadis were exposed to contemporary Islamic currents in a way that had not been possible in Oman. Sayyid Barghash ibn Sa‘id, who ruled Zanzibar from 1870 to 1888, was well-read and deeply interested in world affairs, and established a printing press to promote Ibadi scholarship. Ibadis in Zanzibar continued to take great interest in the political affairs of Oman, and many ardently supported the movement that established the Imamate of ‘Azzan ibn Qays (1868-1871). In the period following this Imamate, many Omanis fled unstable economic and political conditions at home and settled in Zanzibar. Among them was Nasir al-Rawwahi, a great poet, scholar, mystic and judge known in Oman as Abu Muslim al-Bahlani (1860-1920), who emigrated to Zanzibar as a young man, along with his father, who had served under Imam ‘Azzan ibn Qays as judge in Nizwa. Rawwahi was an ardent supporter of the Ibadi ideal; his scholarly writings reflect fully the tradition of Ibadi learning, and his extensive commentary on Nur al-Din al-Salimi’s poem on jurisprudence is a tribute to the range of his learning and his consistency with Ibadi tradition. His poems are of a deeply mystical character, and Rawwahi has a reputation for being a “divine” (rabbani) poet in the full sense of the word--a man so enraptured with the divine beauty, so privileged with the vision of the unseen, that his poetry belongs to a realm beyond our own. Some of his poems, dhikr meditations on the Divine Names, were intended to be used for devotional purposes. Like the other great Ibadi scholars, he disdained either to write love poetry or panegyric. Yet this otherworldly mystic was also a man of this-worldly politics. As one researcher commented, “His entire diwan indicates that the poet was fighting the opponents of Ibadism in Zanzibar.”[2] He greatly admired the lives of the leaders of Ibadism, to the point where he said, “God will accept no religion other than theirs.”[3] In his youth he was a close friend of Ahmad ibn Sa‘id al-Khalili, son of the great Shaykh Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili, and the latter’s influence on Nasir al-Rawwahi is palpable. In the movement to establish the Imamate of Salim ibn Rashid al-Kharusi, Rawwahi compared his role to that of Hassan ibn Thabit, the personal poet of the Prophet Muhammad.

But moving to Zanzibar enabled him to expand his cultural horizons a great deal. He was chief judge and advisor of Sultans Hamad ibn Thuwayni (1893-1896) and Hamud ibn Muhammad (ruled 1896-1902), even traveling with the latter in coastal East Africa in late 1898, penning his observations in a booklet that has been published by the Ministry of National Heritage and Culture in Oman. His attitude toward modern innovations may be compared with that of Nur al-Din al-Salimi, who had written that it is impermissible to learn the languages of the Europeans or adopt any of their manners or send one’s children to their schools.[4] In contrast, Rawwahi openly admired the improvements brought to the region by British administration. He observed that the town of Lamu, a traditional center of Muslim culture and scholarship on an island off the coast of Kenya, had narrow streets and old, crooked buildings, and its inhabitants manifested diseases of body and soul. The British, he says, had left the city as it was, restricting themselves to road repair and building hospitals. He expressed his hope that the English would not leave Lamu in this condition, but would plant the “civilization” (tamaddun) in it that they had in their own capitals. He praised the justice of British administration in Zanzibar.

It is a sign of Rawwahi’s cosmopolitanism and his difference from earlier Ibadi scholars that he was influenced by the ideas of the Egyptian reformer Muhammad ‘Abduh, and established the first newspaper in Oman or Zanzibar, called Al-Najah, to propagate ‘Abduh’s ideas. He corresponded with non-Ibadi Muslim leaders, and sent a poem to Riyad Pasha thanking him for his efforts to reconcile Muslims and Copts in Egypt. Like Sa‘id ibn Khalfan al-Khalili, Rawwahi is a fascinating blend of contradictions: an ardent supporter of a pure Ibadi Imamate, a friend and counselor of sultans, an admirer of British rule; affirming the traditional Ibadi doctrine that non-Ibadi Muslims are kuffar ni‘ma, but expressing his admiration for non-Ibadi Muslims and advocating a unity that encompasses not only Muslims, but non-Muslims as well; a judge and journalist advocating modern “civilization,” and a mystic who longs for the righteous Ibadi Imamate.

Sultan Sa‘id ibn Taymur, who ruled Oman from 1932-1970, was a staunch conservative whose resistance to Westernization was so strong that Omanis were not allowed to own automobiles, and the country had no paved roads until 1968. But he sent his son, the present sultan, Qaboos, to London to study at the Sandhurst Military Academy. This Qaboos deposed his father in 1970 and set about modernizing Oman at a rapid rate. So far Oman has managed to avoid unthinking Westernization and its corollary, Islamic reactionism. Islam remains an important part of life, but in a thoroughly natural and non-politicized way. The government supports the publication and dissemination of Ibadi scholarship, but the rhetoric of Ibadism is noticeably absent from its public pronouncements. Scholars like Nur al-Din Salimi and Sa‘id al-Khalili are sources of national pride, but their struggles against the BuSa‘idi sultanate are downplayed. It is noteworthy that Nur al-Din al-Salimi’s son, Muhammad, wrote a poem in praise of Sultan Qaboos. Abu Nabhan Ja‘id ibn Khamis (1734/5-1822), an important Ibadi scholar of the early BuSa‘idi period, confidently wrote that regardless of how kind, pious and good non-Ibadi Muslims may be, they will inevitably go to hell in the afterlife.[5] But the present Grand Mufti of Oman, Shaykh Ahmad ibn Hamad al-Khalili, believes that the differences between Sunni and Ibadi Muslims are subsidiary issues that are of little eternal consequence and in no way impede Muslim unity.[6] One can say that today Ibadism is hardly sectarian, and the dream of establishing a modern Imamate has given way to aspirations more typical of modern life.


[1]Jawabat al-Imam al-Salimi, ed. ‘Abd al-Sitar Abu Ghadda, vol. 6, 2nd printing, 1419/1999, p. 210.

[2]Muhammad b. Nasir b. Rashid al-Mahruqi. Abu Muslim al-Bahlani Sha`iran, M.A. thesis, Sultan Qaboos University, 1995, p.72.

[3]Ibid.

[4]Nur al-Din ‘Abdallah ibn Humayd al-Salimi, Badhl al-majhud fi mukhalafat al-Nasara wa ’l-Yahud. Matabi‘ al-Batiniyya/Maktabat al-Imam Nur al-Din al-Salimi, 1995.

[5]Fatwa in a collection of manuscripts in the Zanzibar National Archives, ZA 8/40.

[6]Interview with author in Ministry of Religious Affairs, Muscat, May 2001.

http://islam.uga.edu/ibadis.html

Are you serious? Find me 1 single example of such practices being taught by any mainstream Islamic sect in KSA? You simply cannot.

As Muslims we do not accept labels given by non-Muslims. The Hanbali fiqh is one of the 4 recognized madahib in Sunni Islam. They are as Muslim as anybody else. People calling Hanbalis for "Wahhabis" should not complain when people call them Rafidah or Majoos.

I know actually all of the GCC was one country very long time ago even during ottoman empire later when British came to region they divide all.
There no reason to attack any GCC countries we are just waiting and watching the show.
Ibaddis believe in Allah , Prophet ,pray and perform all Islamic rituals that's enough to be Muslim the rest is just not important.
We are proud that we are not part of killing innocents, raping kids or burring innocent child's alive so better call us rafidadhi rather Sunni or Muslim. I remember when isis attack Iraq and start killing rampage Iran was first country send help and stop the massacre. And majoos is name giving to us by you guys otherwise we were Zoroastrian if you don't know look up and that was one of finest religion at that time when Arabs was worshiping idols.
Also thanks for gathering this information i will look forward to read it .
 
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I know actually all of the GCC was one country very long time ago even during ottoman empire later when British came to region they divide all.
There no reason to attack any GCC countries we are just waiting and watching the show.
Ibaddis believe in Allah , Prophet ,pray and perform all Islamic rituals that's enough to be Muslim the rest is just not important.
We are proud that we are not part of killing innocents, raping kids or burring innocent child's alive so better call us rafidadhi rather Sunni or Muslim. I remember when isis attack Iraq and start killing rampage Iran was first country send help and stop the massacre. And majoos is name giving to us by you guys otherwise we were Zoroastrian if you don't know look up and that was one of finest religion at that time when Arabs was worshiping idols.
Also thanks for gathering this information i will look forward to read it .

GCC is part of the Arabian Peninsula and thus Arabia. The oldest inhabited place on the planet after Eastern and Southern Africa.

The Ottomans were hardly present on the Arabian Peninsula and only Hijaz and Northern Yemen (for a limited time period too) were part of the Ottoman Empire. It was ruled by local rulers allied to the Sultan in Istanbul.

The Ottomans ruled the Caliphate for 400 years. Arabs for almost 1000 years.

Oman is a nation with ancient history like all of Arabia and the Arab world which is home to the oldest recorded civilizations and cities in the world.

History of Oman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The British did not divide anything. All the current rulers ruled long before Brits even stepped foot in the ME.

Who said that Ibadis are not Muslims? Their sect derives from the Khawarij movement and there is a consensus about this in the Islamic community. That's all.

What you are talking about has nothing to do with Sunni Islam but a terrorist cult and their lust for power. Not different to the actions of the Safavids and the man you use as your avatar! The difference is that it happened at a bigger scale 500 years ago and that it was more "normal" back then.

Iraqis (Shia and Sunni Arabs) are doing all the fighting. Credit must be given to them.

Actually in pre-Islamic times the majority of Arabs were either Christians or Jewish (fellow Abrahamic/Semitic religions), Hanifs or believed in ancient Semitic religions (the first recorded religions on the planet).

Abrahamic religions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hanif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ancient Semitic religion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Zoroastrians were and are not monotheists.

It's a dualistic religion, just like many pre-Islamic Semitic (not the Abrahamic Semitic branch that consists of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Samaritanism, Druzism, Mandaeism etc.) pagan religions.

In any case if you are calling Hanbali Sunni Muslims for "Wahhabis", "Nasibis" or whatever certain Shia Twelvers do, you should not complain when they call you "Rafidah" or "Majoos" in return. Or Wilayat al-Faqih followers.

I consider the average Zaydi, Ismaili or Shia Twelver Muslim in KSA or the Arab world as a brother and sister.

Wilayat al-Faqih followers on the other hand is a different matter. They are regime followers of a hostile anti-Arab/Muslim nation and people. We cannot be friends with them.
 
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GCC is part of the Arabian Peninsula and thus Arabia. The oldest inhabited place on the planet after Eastern and Southern Africa.

The Ottomans were hardly present on the Arabian Peninsula and only Hijaz and Northern Yemen (for a limited time period too) were part of the Ottoman Empire. It was ruled by local rulers allied to the Sultan in Istanbul.

The Ottomans ruled the Caliphate for 400 years. Arabs for almost 1000 years.

Oman is a nation with ancient history like all of Arabia and the Arab world which is home to the oldest recorded civilizations and cities in the world.

History of Oman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The British did not divide anything. All the current rulers ruled long before Brits even stepped foot in the ME.

Who said that Ibadis are not Muslims? Their sect derives from the Khawarij movement and there is a consensus about this in the Islamic community. That's all.

What you are talking about has nothing to do with Sunni Islam but a terrorist cult and their lust for power. Not different to the actions of the Safavids and the man you use as your avatar! The difference is that it happened at a bigger scale 500 years ago and that it was more "normal" back then.

Iraqis (Shia and Sunni Arabs) are doing all the fighting. Credit must be given to them.

Actually in pre-Islamic times the majority of Arabs were either Christians or Jewish (fellow Abrahamic/Semitic religions), Hanifs or believed in ancient Semitic religions (the first recorded religions on the planet).

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Zoroastrians were and are not monotheists.

It's a dualistic religion, just like many pre-Islamic Semitic (not the Abrahamic Semitic branch that consists of Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Samaritanism, Druzism, Mandaeism etc.) pagan religions.

In any case if you are calling Hanbali Sunni Muslims for "Wahhabis", "Nasibis" or whatever certain Shia Twelvers do, you should not complain when they call you "Rafidah" or "Majoos" in return. Or Wilayat al-Faqih followers.

I consider the average Zaydi, Ismaili or Shia Twelver Muslim in KSA or the Arab world as a brother and sister.

Wilayat al-Faqih followers on the other hand is a different matter. They are regime followers.


The British and France defeat ottoman empire after WW1 and set a puppet governments in newly formed Arab countries in region like al saud in saudi arabia.

I didn't said Ibbadi's are not Muslims actually i said they are so don't put words in my mouth.
There is a devilish cult in Islam and that's salafism and wahabism which is active for couple of Centuries but mostly during ibn taimah got renewed and implied in many different societies.

No doubt Iraqi's are fighting but Iran support technical , arms and logistical support to anyone in Iraq and Syria fighting terrorism.

Seriously ? Arabs were worshiping god before Islam ? then who was (منات، عزی، لات) , why Arabs Treated to kill prophet many times if they were godly people ? why they hurt him ? all of Arabs that time were worshiping stones thanks to prophets he change their path. Zoroastrians is and was deeply rooted in Iran's people and culture unfortunately only 15000 left hope they be remain because they are carrying Iran's true identity. That time Zoroastrian was one of the peaceful religion in the region.
Wahabism are not Sunnis because they are not have any link to it , you mention you are not Wahhabi but you are supporting it . It's a ideology that says we have to bring back 1400 years old traditional and way of thinking which is wrong because that ideology is not gonna fit in modern society. How can you treat to kill Shiites , Sufism and ibbady also other sec's and call your self sunni ? they are destroying the face of Islam in ME and in western countries it has to be solved.
 
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Russia has little of interest that KSA and the GCC cannot buy from other sources. Aside from that Russia cannot be trusted.

KSA, the GCC and the Arab world should forget about Russia completely and look towards China. That's the future and in the case of KSA, China is already the biggest trading partner and the relations are cordial on almost every front and there is good reason to believe that they will only improve with time.

Iran cannot do anything against KSA or the GCC nor do they dare to attack. There won't be any war between those two rivals. The continuation of the current proxy wars at most with KSA prevailing in Syria and Yemen.

Iskander is a great tactical ballistic missile, but if KSA wanna turn its attention on our inventory, then we could offer ours as well.
 
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