Saudi Arabia’s Defense Minister Says Dialogue With Iran Is Impossible

[The SC]

That's why you should use Google or a book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_uprisings_in_Iraq

Nearly 60,000-100,000 civilians were killed in the domestic uprising.



No it wasn't. Saddam always had an eye on Iran's territory even in Shah's time, when there was various cross-border incidents and aggressions by Iraq. After revolution our army was severely weakened, Saddam thought it's a good time to finish the job, but he was wrong, as we know today.

I know there was an uprising, bombing ..etc in Baghad, but My sources never showed those numbers, the talked about a few thousand Iraqi Shia'as who have conducted the uprising..

 

[Serpentine]

I know there was an uprising, bombing ..etc in Baghad, but My sources never showed those numbers, the talked about a few thousand Iraqi Shia'as who have conducted the uprising..

Baghdad? Actually Baghdad remained mostly calm in 1991... it was southern and northern Iraq that saw the uprising in 1991. You should change your 'sources' asap. You are getting it all wrong.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Well Saudi Arabia and Iran have bad relations. So dialogue is impossible.

 

[The SC]

Baghdad? Actually Baghdad remained mostly calm in 1991... it was southern and northern Iraq that saw the uprising in 1991. You should change your 'sources' asap. You are getting it all wrong.

There was a thread on the war, I'll find it and show you that it went to Baghdad and that was the main reason for Saddam to start the war as he felt his regime was threatened..

..."For the next several months, Iran sought to undermine Saddam by encouraging protests by Shiites. Both countries supported rebel movements against the other, and the Iranian-backed rebel group Al Dawaa attempted to assassinate the Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz on April 1, 1980. Saddam outlawed the group, deported large numbers of Iraqis who'd been born in Iran, and executed one of the Shiite clerics who'd led the protests against his regime. Khomeini then began to publicly call for the overthrow of Saddam. Finally, in June 1980, the two nations severed relations."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/iran-iraq-war

 

[khanasifm]

Saudi Arabia's powerful deputy crown prince has ruled out any dialogue with Iran, a country he said was busy plotting to control the Muslim world.

Prince Mohammed bin Salman, the Saudi defense minister, said in a TV interview to be broadcast later on Tuesday his country could crush Iran-aligned fighters in Yemen where Saudi forces head a coalition of Gulf Arab states intervening in a civil war.

Sunni Muslim Saudi Arabia and Shi'ite Iran compete for influence in the Middle East, supporting rival groups in Syria's civil war. In Yemen, Iran denies providing financial or military support to the Houthis who are fighting government forces allied with Saudi Arabia.

Asked if Saudi Arabia was ready to open a direct dialogue with Tehran, Mohammed said it was impossible to talk with a power that was planning for the return of the Imam Mahdi - whom Shi'ites believe was a descendent of the Prophet who went into hiding 1,000 years ago and will return to establish global Islamic rule before the end of the world.

"How do you have a dialogue with this (Iran)?" Mohammed said in clips of the interview posted on social media.

"Its (Iran's) logic is that the Imam Mahdi will come and they must prepare the fertile environment for the arrival of the awaited Mahdi and they must control the Muslim world."

Under Iran's constitution since the 1979 revolution, the country's supreme leader is the earthly representative of the Imam until his return.


Asked to respond to reports that after two years of war and Saudi's military intervention the Houthis, aligned to ex-Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh, still control large swathes of Yemen and large quantities of weapons, Prince Mohammed said:

"We can uproot the Houthis and Saleh in a matter of days."

In the clips available in advance of the broadcast he did not elaborate on the Saudi strategy for Yemen.

Reuters

In the same interview, Prince Muhammad bin Salman said that

https://twitter.com/x/status/859502682133999616

Nothing to do with Shia Sunni bottom line Iran is anti king meaning shah or king was kicked out and that is the issue which means SA and other monarchy are threatened same is the case with Qatar and aljazeera

 

[Super Falcon]

I miss Osmanli...

Me too

Saudi Arabia has to come out of this madness it is testing Muslim umahs faith

Otherwise no one can put water on fire which Saudi Arabia continuously igniting

I'm happy with Iran is not doing any madness Iran knows who is behind all this Saudi Arabia should not test Iran further

Iran also has to go bit further and stop anything g wrong doing against KSA

But if Ksa demands Iran stop funding Hamas i support Iran

Hamas is a opposing Israel and it's lovers like Egypt
I'm Sunni Muslim but i play fair

 

[raptor22]

There was a thread on the war, I'll find it and show you that it went to Baghdad and that was the main reason for Saddam to start the war as he felt his regime was threatened..

Saddam initiated war 'cause he wanted to have access to warm water of Persian gulf consequently he tore up Algeria agreement on Iran-Iran borders dispute before cameras on Iraq national TV and then attacked Iran .. moreover the problem with Iran and Arab monarchies which another was trigger behind the war is this, they consider Iran as a virus which should not be spread a revolution which overthrown a king by people and reject that dictatorship type of government should have been suffocated asap .. Saddam was the best opportunity for them that's why these lifeless creatures started to support Saddam politically, financially and with their manpower even they provided him with their airspace, port and everything to stop this fatal virus as they do it right now in Bahrain and Yemen which are affected by Arab spring and people demand democracy and election which if happens would be start of end of an era "no more monarch"...

 

[The SC]

Saddam initiated war 'cause he wanted to have access to warm water of Persian gulf consequently he tore up Algeria agreement on Iran-Iran borders dispute before cameras on Iraq national TV and then attacked Iran .. moreover the problem with Iran and Arab monarchies which another was trigger behind the war is this, they consider Iran as a virus which should not be spread a revolution which overthrown a king by people and reject that dictatorship type of government should have been suffocated asap .. Saddam was the best opportunity for them that's why these lifeless creatures started to support Saddam politically, financially and with their manpower even they provided him with their airspace, port and everything to stop this fatal virus as they do it right now in Bahrain and Yemen which are affected by Arab spring and people demand democracy and election which if happens would be start of end of an era "no more monarch"...

Look at post # 139.. that is the main reason his tore up the Algier's accord..

 

[raptor22]

Look at post # 139.. that is the main reason his tore up the Algier's accord..

First read the history of them then accuse Iran of supporting them:

Hizb Al-Dawa gained strength in the 1970s recruiting from among the Shia ulama and youth. It waged an armed insurgency against the Iraqi government which initiated a crackdown on Shi'a political activism, driven in part by the secular nature of the Ba'athist ideology and in part by their view of a politicized Shi'a as a threat to the stability of the regime. During the 1970s, the government shutdown the Shi'a journal Risalat al-Islam and closed several religious educational institutions. The government passed a law obligating Iraqi students of the hawza to undertake national military service. The Ba'athists then began specifically targeting Al-Dawa members, arresting and imprisoning them from 1972 onwards. In 1973, someone killed the alleged head of Al-Dawa's Baghdad branch in prison. In 1974, 75 Al-Dawa members were arrested and sentenced to death by the Ba'athist revolutionary court.[3] In 1975, the government canceled the annual procession from Najaf to Karbala, known as marad al-ras. Although subject to repressive measures throughout the 1970s, large-scale opposition to the government by Al-Dawa goes back to the Safar Intifada of February 1977. Despite the government's ban on the celebration of marad al-ras, Al-Dawa organized the procession in 1977. They were subsequently attacked by police.[4] After this period it also interacted with the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the future spiritual leader of Iran, during his exile in Najaf in Iraq. Widely viewed in the West as a terrorist organization at the time, the Dawa party was banned in 1980 and its members sentenced to death in absentia by the Iraqi Revolutionary Command Council.
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So in a majority Shia country people were oppressed and the protested and stood against the tyranny ... what does it have with Iran Iraq war ?

 

[Serpentine]

There was a thread on the war, I'll find it and show you that it went to Baghdad and that was the main reason for Saddam to start the war as he felt his regime was threatened..

I was talking about 1991 and not 1980.

There was a thread on the war, I'll find it and show you that it went to Baghdad and that was the main reason for Saddam to start the war as he felt his regime was threatened..

..."For the next several months, Iran sought to undermine Saddam by encouraging protests by Shiites. Both countries supported rebel movements against the other, and the Iranian-backed rebel group Al Dawaa attempted to assassinate the Iraqi Foreign Minister Tariq Aziz on April 1, 1980. Saddam outlawed the group, deported large numbers of Iraqis who'd been born in Iran, and executed one of the Shiite clerics who'd led the protests against his regime. Khomeini then began to publicly call for the overthrow of Saddam. Finally, in June 1980, the two nations severed relations."

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/iran-iraq-war

Are you trying to twist the history by claiming Iraq was not the aggressor state in Iran-Iraq war? Because you can't.
Iraq acted very aggressively both before the revolution and after it, Saddam always dreamed of occupying Iranian Khuzestan, capturing Arvand river and nullifying Algiers accord. He thought he has found the right time for it in September 1980.

Iraq was the aggressor state and was first to declare war against Iran. You are not going to change the reality with some lame excuse.

 

[The SC]

First read the history of them then accuse Iran of supporting them:

Hizb Al-Dawa gained strength in the 1970s recruiting from among the Shia ulama and youth. It waged an armed insurgency against the Iraqi government which initiated a crackdown on Shi'a political activism, driven in part by the secular nature of the Ba'athist ideology and in part by their view of a politicized Shi'a as a threat to the stability of the regime. During the 1970s, the government shutdown the Shi'a journal Risalat al-Islam and closed several religious educational institutions. The government passed a law obligating Iraqi students of the hawza to undertake national military service. The Ba'athists then began specifically targeting Al-Dawa members, arresting and imprisoning them from 1972 onwards. In 1973, someone killed the alleged head of Al-Dawa's Baghdad branch in prison. In 1974, 75 Al-Dawa members were arrested and sentenced to death by the Ba'athist revolutionary court.[3] In 1975, the government canceled the annual procession from Najaf to Karbala, known as marad al-ras. Although subject to repressive measures throughout the 1970s, large-scale opposition to the government by Al-Dawa goes back to the Safar Intifada of February 1977. Despite the government's ban on the celebration of marad al-ras, Al-Dawa organized the procession in 1977. They were subsequently attacked by police.[4] After this period it also interacted with the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, the future spiritual leader of Iran, during his exile in Najaf in Iraq. Widely viewed in the West as a terrorist organization at the time, the Dawa party was banned in 1980 and its members sentenced to death in absentia by the Iraqi Revolutionary Command Council.
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So in a majority Shia country people were oppressed and the protested and stood against the tyranny ... what does it have with Iran Iraq war ?

For how long Ayatollah Khomeini lived in Iraq, before leaving to France? and why he had to go to France? You can never imagine a majority being oppressed by a minority not to topple the minority government, this leads to conclude that the few Shia'a who were protesting and fighting Saddam were weak and did not have the support of the majority..

These are just rational thoughts and questions, and have nothing to do with well educated Muslim religious leaders that I respect..

I was talking about 1991 and not 1980.



Are you trying to twist the history by claiming Iraq was not the aggressor state in Iran-Iraq war? Because you can't.
Iraq acted very aggressively both before the revolution and after it, Saddam always dreamed of occupying Iranian Khuzestan, capturing Arvand river and nullifying Algiers accord. He thought he has found the right time for it in September 1980.

Iraq was the aggressor state and was first to declare war against Iran. You are not going to change the reality with some lame excuse.

Saddam wasn't fool enough to act very aggressively in the time of the Shah.. Iran was just too powerful.. He acted foolishly after the revolution, because he felt his regime was targeted by the Iranian revolution and was encouraged by the US who suddenly became enemies of Iran.. this was proven throughout the 8 years war where he had the Whole west siding with him.. all of it because of the Khomeini wish to export the revolution outside of Iran.. of course Iraq with its majority Shia'a felt as being the first to be threatened, due to the protests as well as its proximity to Iran.. you can safely add the long time rivalry between the two as another cause too.. So it is an amalgam of facts, causes, circumstances and the context as a whole that played there..

There are no excuses here, it is clear and factual that Saddam is the one who has initiated the war.. We are discussing the causes..and it is difficult to discuss them as they were an amalgam of many facts..

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I was talking about 1991 and not 1980.



Are you trying to twist the history by claiming Iraq was not the aggressor state in Iran-Iraq war? Because you can't.
Iraq acted very aggressively both before the revolution and after it, Saddam always dreamed of occupying Iranian Khuzestan, capturing Arvand river Shatt al-Arab and nullifying Algiers accord. He thought he has found the right time for it in September 1980.

Iraq was the aggressor state and was first to declare war against Iran. You are not going to change the reality with some lame excuse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatt_al-Arab

You are welcome.

 

[raptor22]

For how long Ayatollah Khomeini lived in Iraq, before leaving to France? and why he had to go to France? You can never imagine a majority being oppressed by a minority not to topple the minority government, this leads to conclude that the few Shia'a who were protesting and fighting Saddam were weak and did not have the support of the majority..

These are just rational thoughts and questions, and have nothing to do with well educated Muslim religious leaders that I respect..


Saddam wasn't fool enough to act very aggressively in the time of the Shah.. Iran was just too powerful.. He acted foolishly after the revolution, because he felt his regime was targeted by the Iranian revolution and was encouraged by the US who suddenly became enemies of Iran.. this was proven throughout the 8 years war where he had the Whole west siding with him.. all of it because of the Khomeini wish to export the revolution outside of Iran.. of course Iraq with its majority Shia'a felt as being the first to be threatened, due to the protests as well as its proximity to Iran.. you can safely add the long time rivalry between the two as another cause too.. So it is an amalgam of facts, causes, circumstances and the context as a whole that played there..

There are no excuses here, it is clear and factual that Saddam is the one who has initiated the war.. We are discussing the causes..and it is difficult to discuss them as they were an amalgam of many facts..

NO these are not rational thoughts , FYI Ayotaollah was sent to France due to direct request of Shah ...

He remained in Turkey less than a year, then relocated to Najaf in Iraq, where he spent most of the remainder of his exile. He continued to agitate against the shah's regime, and as anti government sentiment intensified in Iran throughout 1978, the imperial government wanted to increase his physical distance from Iran. They pressured Iraq to expel Khomeini, and he was deported to Kuwait on October 6, 1978.

He had originally planned to relocate to Syria, but his aides noted that he would be monitored and highly restricted if he stayed anywhere in the Middle East. He requested and received political asylum in France instead, and on October 8 he relocated to a rented house in Neauphle-le-Château outside of Paris.

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'cause Shah regime thought that Iraq is so close to Iran and if they could have moved him to somewhere else far far away from Iran his connection with Iran would be ended and he would have been cut off from Iran society which would have resulted in end of uprising and revolution ..
And yes history is full of this story "majority being oppressed by a minority not to topple the minority government" like what we see right now in Bahrain , or what happened in Iraq back in 1991 ...

 

[veg]

It seems Saudi Arabia has already found their Saviour (Mahdi) in form of Trump/America.

 

[Malik Alashter]

The problem is your presence in Arab land...U are in Arab land and asking Arabs to come on table??? This is the same thing if I capture your house and ask you to come on table to negotiate over it...

What arab world and who appointed al saud as a representative of the arab countries?? ??

Sir we live in a world of borders every nation is responsible upon its affairs.

Why.....relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia is not our business.

That is the best answer

prince Muhammad should talk solely about his own country which is Saudi Arabia not other Arab countries.