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[Hamza913]

Dude crude death rate is not 1:1 correlation with society violence since it mostly logs natural deaths.

You need some statistic that specifically measures violent death rate and crime rate per capita....and those are badly recorded in developing countries in general.

It's the best I could find, all the others say the same or are not up to date. Anyway, since Pakistan and India have a similar life expectancy, I would assume the determining factor is how much violence there is.

 

[Sam.]

Since your fellow racist friend is in the business of quoting wiki which you gave a big thumbs up for:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_India

The term North India officially refers to the states of Punjab, Jammu & Kashmir, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Uttarakhand and the Union Territories of Delhi and Chandigarh.[1] Other states which are not formally part of North India, but which are traditionally - culturally and linguistically - seen to be so are Rajasthan, Bihar, and Madhya Pradesh



Quote the exact lines instead of distorting what I said like a butthurt dummy. I said in general its safer in South India (ask the general consensus of tourists and even locals if you dont believe me)....that does not mean South India is "heaven on earth" or extremely well educated. In general terms it is better because of UP, Bihar in North India. Its really that simple.



Again flagrant distortion of words. Your pal again said that even Agra is better than Chennai (which it claimed to have visited)....to which I said Agra is a typical 3rd rate BIMARU city. How does that relate to third world? Its a relative classification of cities within any country.....there are 1st, 2nd and 3rd rate cities everywhere judged by relative comparisons within the country.

So yeah you, your butthurt distortion of what I said and your english standard clearly illustrate to everyone what your education level is....not mine.

First you stated that UP,Bihar traditionally North Indian then by tradition all of Indian is north as you follow dharmic religion but i will leave religion out of this.

I would have gave you long well thought argumentative reply but then i saw name calling like "butthurt dummy" so i will not waste my time on kids.

As for English language which you prefer to be the standard for any guy/gal education level then i pity you more as this is just a language.
Language :
"The method of human communication, either spoken or written, consisting of the use of words in a structured and conventional way."

Aryabhata never spoke English and was well educated Indian but you west slaves won't understand this.

A people without the knowledge of their past history, origin and culture is like a tree without roots.
-Marcus Garvey

 

[Nilgiri]

It's the best I could find, all the others say the same or are not up to date. Anyway, since Pakistan and India have a similar life expectancy, I would assume the determining factor is how much violence there is.

Not really, the death rates being what they are for these two is more given their demographic profile of less % of old people compared to many developed countries.

For example look at Japans crude death rate using your world bank source. Its a almost 50% higher than India/Pak (10 compared to 7ish)....thats because of its much larger number % of old people in its population....not directly because of its higher life expectancy.

So even with countries that have similar life expectancies, its more relevant to look at their population pyramids (that split up the countries population by age brackets) and see how many are in the oldest brackets %-wise. India in this case has more old people than Pakistan % wise by a small margin so one could say Pakistan's crude death rate ought to be a bit lower than India's....but it isn't so maybe that means more people die from crime, accidents and other things overall in Pakistan.....but there are many other sources of death too and issues with how life expectancy is calculated (mortality rates can vary among the brackets from country to country) and its hard to delineate them sometimes....so I would say its a bit of a fools errand to do this statistically without both countries improving their data collection and tendency of underreporting crimes and such.

Population pyramids here:

http://populationpyramid.net/

 

[Hamza913]

Not really, the death rates being what they are for these two is more given their demographic profile of less % of old people compared to many developed countries.

For example look at Japans crude death rate using your world bank source. Its a almost 50% higher than India/Pak (10 compared to 7ish)....thats because of its much larger number % of old people in its population....not directly because of its higher life expectancy.

So even with countries that have similar life expectancies, its more relevant to look at their population pyramids (that split up the countries population by age brackets) and see how many are in the oldest brackets %-wise. India in this case has more old people than Pakistan % wise by a small margin so one could say Pakistan's crude death rate ought to be a bit lower than India's....but it isn't so maybe that means more people die from crime, accidents and other things overall in Pakistan.....but there are many other sources of death too and issues with how life expectancy is calculated (mortality rates can vary among the brackets from country to country) and its hard to delineate them sometimes....so I would say its a bit of a fools errand to do this statistically without both countries improving their data collection and tendency of underreporting crimes and such.

Population pyramids here:

http://populationpyramid.net/

Fair enough, I managed to find one related to violence but it's from 2014 so for Pakistan it has probably decreased due to Zarb E Azb:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/

 

[Roybot]

Everyone who disagrees with you is some previous user?! No wonder no one takes south "Indians" seriously.

Are you sure I'm not the Chinese guy superboy?
Perhaps I'm Razpak
Or maybe I'm Mujhaidind

The fact that you know all these old trouble makers, is proof enough that you are not a newbie. You are Aryadesa, stop pretending to be a woman.

 

[Nilgiri]

First you stated that UP,Bihar traditionally North Indian then by tradition all of Indian is north as you follow dharmic religion but i will leave religion out of this.

Just holding a mirror to your wikipedia support earlier.

And UP is not part of the traditional North India definition. It is clearly stated as a member of the formal definition.

I mean now that its exposed that your pal was actually arya desa....did you know that person was actually saying earlier that UP and Bihar should be removed from India all together just so the average of India can improve. Thats the level of racism that character has (against even fellow North Indians) and here you are giving it (has not been determined what gender it is if it has any to begin with) a lot of great support for its views..

It used all kinds of words to describe Mayawati and other North Indians that did not fit in its definition of what North Indians are (whiter than milk, taller than trees)...I wont even go into what else it has said before (you can ask @Roybot about it).

So when you engage in distorting my words for some petty agenda you have inside you because I said North India is overall less developed than South.....be reflective of which kind of people you are rallying alongside....for their character is revealed within you as well....especially when you are giving each other high-fives and laughing.

Now I have seen your posts elsewhere and I know you are not like that person...and you got angered by the way I may have phrased certain things I said about North India (I do get carried away sometimes I admit it, you can see what I write in Bangladesh subforum a lot as well)....and for that I apologise....it was not my intention to demean North Indians and paint them in a broad brush-stroke. But you also got carried away in your response as well. and beyond what I did at least to me (and you even admitted that you know friendly south indians in real life just like I know many good North Indians in real life).

So lets put this behind us and move on. What do you say?

 

[Sam.]

Just holding a mirror to your wikipedia support earlier.

And UP is not part of the traditional North India definition. It is clearly stated as a member of the formal definition.

I mean now that its exposed that your pal was actually arya desa....did you know that person was actually saying earlier that UP and Bihar should be removed from India all together just so the average of India can improve. Thats the level of racism that character has (against even fellow North Indians) and here you are giving it (has not been determined what gender it is if it has any to begin with) a lot of great support for its views..

It used all kinds of words to describe Mayawati and other North Indians that did not fit in its definition of what North Indians are (whiter than milk, taller than trees)...I wont even go into what else it has said before (you can ask @Roybot about it).

So when you engage in distorting my words for some petty agenda you have inside you because I said North India is overall less developed than South.....be reflective of which kind of people you are rallying alongside....for their character is revealed within you as well....especially when you are giving each other high-fives and laughing.

Now I have seen your posts elsewhere and I know you are not like that person...and you got angered by the way I may have phrased certain things I said about North India (I do get carried away sometimes I admit it, you can see what I write in Bangladesh subforum a lot as well)....and for that I apologise....it was not my intention to demean North Indians and paint them in a broad brush-stroke. But you also got carried away in your response as well. and beyond what I did at least to me (and you even admitted that you know friendly south indians in real life just like I know many good North Indians in real life).

So lets put this behind us and move on. What do you say?

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
-Mahatma Gandhi

As you said you got carried away by showing your love and affection for your homeland so just remember North India too is your homeland like South is mine. So next time think about this before you post.

I will also apologize if i hurt any Indians (who live in south) feelings.

 

[friendly_troll96]

Finally

 

[Nilgiri]

Fair enough, I managed to find one related to violence but it's from 2014 so for Pakistan it has probably decreased due to Zarb E Azb:

http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/violence/by-country/

I would say both countries are about the same bro overall...be it violent or non-violent deaths. Thats because bulk of population in Pakistan is in Punjab and Sindh...and ok Sindh has Karachi but other than that the people are not all compacted into the zarb e azb region.....so it affects the overall violent death rate somewhat marginally because of that.

When you account for that, both countries are pretty much same since both got high rural populations that dont have much infrastructure and face the issues of tribalism, underdevelopment and thuggery from various political clans in the centers of population (punjab for Pak and Hindi heartland for India).

Terrorism is actually a very small % of even violent death rate almost anywhere in the world.

 

[Grevion]

Once a good informative thread now ruined.

@Sargon of Akkad

You seem to be a person of means. I would suggest Rajastan over anything else tbh, it is for a wealthier tourist market and is cleaner, with no crime or beggars or any of those things that ruin an expierence

Rajasthan I don't think he should visit Rajasthan. As we have clearly seen that he is more interested in exploring the local culture and Rajasthan is more about Royal forts, Maharaja's and their divine lifestyles and also how they exploited the poor mass to their benefits and later for the brits.
@Sargon of Akkad if you ever plan to visit Rajasthan, don't bother travelling to all the major urban areas except Jaipur and Udaipur.
That will cover most of the Rajasthan for you.
You can also travel to Jaisalmer if you looking for a desert dafari, which I am sure you are not craving for in KSA anyway.

Ahh just stop it and read the racist/inferiority complex South Indian like nilgiri comments and just enjoy the show how South India is heaven and North India is hell.

It's open my eyes of how much they feel inferior to us so i will go back to my North Indian slum and loot someone.

Now final touch from me will be posting racist picture so here is my karma -

That was really unnecessary. We Indians being racist towards our fellow Indians is the worst possible scenario for our unity.

Everyone who disagrees with you is some previous user?! No wonder no one takes south "Indians" seriously.

Are you sure I'm not the Chinese guy superboy?
Perhaps I'm Razpak
Or maybe I'm Mujhaidind

God forbid if you're Razpak.
That guy was a genuine troll.

 

[Hamza913]

I would say both countries are about the same bro overall...be it violent or non-violent deaths. Thats because bulk of population in Pakistan is in Punjab and Sindh...and ok Sindh has Karachi but other than that the people are not all compacted into the zarb e azb region.....so it affects the overall violent death rate somewhat marginally because of that.

When you account for that, both countries are pretty much same since both got high rural populations that dont have much infrastructure and face the issues of tribalism, underdevelopment and thuggery from various political clans in the centers of population (punjab for Pak and Hindi heartland for India).

Terrorism is actually a very small % of even violent death rate almost anywhere in the world.

I do think Zarb E Azb would make a difference, albeit a minor one as you said.

Also, I do think since both countries are so huge there might be more violence then these sources lead on. You can't measure such huge landscapes with so many people correctly when it comes to these sorts of studies.

 

[BDforever]

@Sargon of Akkad do not engage in any conversation with any non Indian who has not travel to India.. you will end up horribly confused.. there are a few pakistani like @Spring Onion and bangladeshi like @BDforever who have actually been to India... ask their opinion... others are just trolls... you are actually planning travel, so its good that you are doing research.
do you have any arab friend who have travelled?, their opinion is worth a lot... also here is a website frequented by foreigners.
www.indiamike.com

read the threads, they are all people like you... maybe mostly europeans but foreigners nevertheless.
I can guarantee that India is safer than brazil... and parts of mexico... and almost every latino country.

 

[Grevion]

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Hence proved that Donald Trump is a lion.

 

[Max]

I do not believe that the 200 million Indian Muslims have anything against Arabs

Against Arab they may not have anything but do you know majority Indian Muslims are Sufis (Barelvi) like Pakistanis, they hate Saudis for Wahabbism.. but they will not kill or mistreat you just bcoz you are Saudi..

 

[Ali Sinan]

Is it safe for Arab/ME tourists to visit India? Will people attack you because you are an Arab and Muslim?

Tourist are not safe specially female and Muslims tourists.....If you support a beard and tries to wear Arab cloths there are high chances that you would be mobbed and beaten.