Saudi Arabia, UAE assure of ‘full support’ to resolve Kashmir crisis

[The Eagle]

post reported for personal attack

Sure, I have updated it further as well.

 

[Khafee]

You are extremely arrogant to any Pakistani who posts sensible criticism which you dislike. Please watch your manners. Post reported

It is not sensible criticism like I said earlier, just senseless clueless BS.

People like you don't know your friends from your foes. This is why an anti Pakistani ideology like TTP gained a foothold in Pakistan.

I am firm believer in Pakistani ideology as a geographical power not a religious client state that only cares about Arab interests such as Palestine and ready to become nuclear suicide bomber for their cause. I have family who have been part of the nuclear programme in the dark days of 80s when scientists and ISI were being abducted into non existence.

Enough of this BS post 9/11 radicalized foreign planted ideology. Its an invasion of the mind a virus

This question is for you, do answer:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/saud...ve-kashmir-crisis.634427/page-4#post-11751247

 

[Shane]

You are extremely arrogant to any Pakistani who posts sensible criticism which you dislike. Please watch your manners. Post reported

hey Khafee bro relax .. let people have different opinion , some are pro GCC and some are pro Iran and it is their choice .

When has calling the term Ummah as Garbage become sensible criticism?

What is going on here?

I would not advise anyone to relax if two bit Garbage bags like @Menace2Society calls my Prophet Mohammad's SAW Ummah as Garbage which he did. Ummah is not about self centered leaders but the Muslims. Kindly understand the Implications of such terms and the mindset and beliefs of the one who states the Ummah of our beloved Prophet SAW as "Ummah G%%%"

It is obvious where he is coming from and how he is trying to fool the average posters with his dimwitted remarks @waz @The Eagle

Ummah garbage concept is for their interests not yours and it never was.

The concept of Ummah is related to our beloved Prophet Mohammad SAW because we are his Ummati. How on earth are you calling the concept as garbage and still not banned for eternity is just a matter of time. You are bound to end up in the garbage dump of history yourself.

 

[YeBeWarned]

When has calling the term Ummah as Garbage become sensible criticism?

What is going on here?

I would not advise anyone to relax if two bit Garbage bags like @Menace2Society calls my Prophet Mohammad's SAW Ummah as Garbage which he did. Ummah is not about self centered leaders but the Muslims. Kindly understand the Implications of such terms and the mindset and beliefs of the one who states the Ummah of our beloved Prophet SAW as "Ummah G%%%"

It is obvious where he is coming from and how he is trying to fool the average posters with his dimwitted remarks @waz @The Eagle



The concept of Ummah is related to our beloved Prophet Mohammad SAW because we are his Ummati. How on earth are you calling the concept as garbage and still not banned for eternity is just a matter of time. You are bound to end up in the garbage dump of history yourself.

Ummah treat us as garbage , so yeah my opinion on that matter is not that different, we need to fend for us .. just look at how Khafee's country treat us ? first they threat us not to join Yemen, than they give that disgusting creature Modi their highest award right after he annex Kashmir ? is this what Prophet Muhammad would love ? if he was alive, none of these house of Saud , Ayatullah and Emirati scum would have their heads on their bodies .

 

[Khafee]

hey Khafee bro relax .. let people have different opinion , some are pro GCC and some are pro Iran and it is their choice .

He insulted our Prophet Muhammad SAWS, his post got deleted, no ban. Now you go and relax, and dont quote me next time.

Ummah treat us as garbage , so yeah my opinion on that matter is not that different, we need to fend for us .. just look at how Khafee's country treat us ? first they threat us not to join Yemen, than they give that disgusting creature Modi their highest award right after he annex Kashmir ? is this what Prophet Muhammad would love ? if he was alive, none of these house of Saud , Ayatullah and Emirati scum would have their heads on their bodies .

You can return the billions of US$ we and KSA have given you, and then bad mouth us.

You awarded the Qatari Emir your highest award, despite KSA & UAE bailing you out, did we say anything? The award was announced in April, and awarded in August, why didn't your FO utter one word? That is our fault too? Before you point fingers at others, some introspection, and becoming aware of ground realities would help.

 

[Shane]

Ummah treat us as garbage , so yeah my opinion on that matter is not that different, we need to fend for us .. just look at how Khafee's country treat us ? first they threat us not to join Yemen, than they give that disgusting creature Modi their highest award right after he annex Kashmir ? is this what Prophet Muhammad would love ? if he was alive, none of these house of Saud , Ayatullah and Emirati scum would have their heads on their bodies .

Leadership of any country does not necessarily constitute Ummat dear. Thats the bottom line. Ummah of Mohammad is very much with its brethren around the world as is evident from the participants of Muslims from around the world in demonstrations against India.

We have been treating other countries like garbage too dear, its just a reciprocation, have you thought about that?

How should Turkey feel about us as we remained neutral on Syria? it is just that the Turkish leadership overlooked our stance for the greater good of unity.

How about KSA when we refused Yemen war coalition invitation but they still granted us billions of Dollars of Aid and free Oil since January of this year.

How about UAE when we refused Yemen war coalition invitation but they still gave use 3 Billion Dollars when we asked for their help.

Have we shown solidarity with China on HongKong Issue??? Any news from our FO that we stand with China?

Our foreign relations are so self centered that we dont even bother caring about what other countries would expect from us. On the other hand, India has best relations with Iran and also KSA GCC and also Turkey at the same time too, what a marvel of their professional Diplomatic core. A Turkish government delegation was there in July discussing how to increase bilateral trade and double it in 2019 just a few days ago before Article 370 abrogation.

The Turkish, the GCC and Iranians all have economic interests in India that have rendered them neutral but provide lip service to our cause, not just because of economic interests but also due in part because we don't respond to the call of brotherly countries when they call us for help but declare ourselves neutral.

That UAE and KSA dont even provide lip service like Iran or support like us Turkey does, is just a matter of their choice, may be they want us to feel how they felt, but that does not give us the GOD GIFTED right to declare ourselves the victims of back stabbing as we remain neutral ourselves from the start so think before you post that it may very well be the other way around.

If we love Qatar because it hosted Taliban Talks then Qatar has US CENTCOM there to make having those talks possible too. Qatar already has a DEFENSE PACT WITH INDIA that India would defend Qatar from outside aggression, lol...

Pakistan needs to sort out its Foreign Policy asap, a deep introspection and correction before friends like China and Turkey start looking the other way too.

 

[YeBeWarned]

He insulted our Prophet Muhammad SAWS, his post got deleted, no ban. Now you go and relax, and dont quote me next time.

I am not talking about him insulting Prophet, I am talking about him or anyone criticizing GCC for their actions which is our right as Pakistanis .I respect you and your posts but you can not expect me to respect leaders of your country who are awarding my enemy . Rest its your choice have a great day and try to relax cause you on this very forum often bad mouth Pakistani leadership so think about it .

You can return the billions of US$ we and KSA have given you, and then bad mouth us.

Of course I would not like to take money from either Saud or Emirati who threat my country just because we don't want to be a party in a war between two people who claims to be Muslims , My prophet would suggest us to keep out of it rather than killing without knowing who is right who is wrong .
And yes it is true that Our corrupt Politicians bring this up on us that we have to get money from people who don't respect us or Kashmiri people . but Most of the money you are talking here are investments and loans which will get paid so hold your horses bro .

You awarded the Qatari Emir your highest award, despite KSA & UAE bailing you out, did we say anything? The award was announced in April, and awarded in August, why didn't your FO utter one word? That is our fault too? Before you point fingers at others, some introspection, and becoming aware of ground realities would help.

yeah and please tell me which country which belongs to GCC has Qatar invaded ? and which Qatari Prince or King responsible for annexing Muslim land , and allowing Muslims to be butchered ?

Let me give this benefit of doubt to your so called king that decision of Award was made long before but timing is crucial it can be changed or delayed , UAE has downplayed Pakistan over the years, threat Pakistan , and even this award was indeed to piss off Pakistani's , either your like or not this award was given to Modi at this time to show Pakistan that UAE still hold grudge Against Pakistan . And Yes i respect you but I respect/Love my country more than 100000000000000 Khafee's and the scums you call King in UAE .
I always admire Help GCC give to Pakistan, either its through Investments or Loans but as a Muslim I was taught not to take someone as a friend who is responsible to kill my people and drive my people out of their homes . Just tell me what Would your own fellow Arabs i.e Muhammad Pbuh , Abu Bakr , Omar , Uthman and Ali (R.A to all) would do these people you call leaders ? Kings who are allowing temples to be build in ME ? Awarding butchers and hater like Nazi ? Great ..

 

[Khafee]

I am not talking about him insulting Prophet, I am talking about him or anyone criticizing GCC for their actions which is our right as Pakistanis .I respect you and your posts but you can not expect me to respect leaders of your country who are awarding my enemy . Rest its your choice have a great day and try to relax cause you on this very forum often bad mouth Pakistani leadership so think about it .



Of course I would not like to take money from either Saud or Emirati who threat my country just because we don't want to be a party in a war between two people who claims to be Muslims , My prophet would suggest us to keep out of it rather than killing without knowing who is right who is wrong .
And yes it is true that Our corrupt Politicians bring this up on us that we have to get money from people who don't respect us or Kashmiri people . but Most of the money you are talking here are investments and loans which will get paid so hold your horses bro .



yeah and please tell me which country which belongs to GCC has Qatar invaded ? and which Qatari Prince or King responsible for annexing Muslim land , and allowing Muslims to be butchered ?

Let me give this benefit of doubt to your so called king that decision of Award was made long before but timing is crucial it can be changed or delayed , UAE has downplayed Pakistan over the years, threat Pakistan , and even this award was indeed to piss off Pakistani's , either your like or not this award was given to Modi at this time to show Pakistan that UAE still hold grudge Against Pakistan . And Yes i respect you but I respect/Love my country more than 100000000000000 Khafee's and the scums you call King in UAE .
I always admire Help GCC give to Pakistan, either its through Investments or Loans but as a Muslim I was taught not to take someone as a friend who is responsible to kill my people and drive my people out of their homes . Just tell me what Would your own fellow Arabs i.e Muhammad Pbuh , Abu Bakr , Omar , Uthman and Ali (R.A to all) would do these people you call leaders ? Kings who are allowing temples to be build in ME ? Awarding butchers and hater like Nazi ? Great ..

You need to grow a spine, then quote me.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Leadership of any country does not necessarily constitute Ummat dear. Thats the bottom line. Ummah of Mohammad is very much with its brethren around the world as is evident from the participants of Muslims from around the world in demonstrations against India.

That same breather who down play us on every issue ? I will pass and join the so called Ummah when I see them unite , Right now the same ummah is bowing to America or Gori Chamri just save their own Monarchy .

We have been treating other countries like garbage too dear, its just a reciprocation, have you thought about that?

Give me some examples ?

How should Turkey feel about us as we remained neutral on Syria? it is just that the Turkish leadership overlooked our stance for the greater good of unity.

Pakistan always condemned PKK attacks on Turkish forces, and as for Syria we did not remain neutral just because we did not send our Army doesn't mean we did not support anyone there ? Syria is mess no one knows who is fighting whom for what reason, we condemn all kind of Terrorists, we did not bring them in our palaces and Award them .

How about KSA when we refused Yemen war coalition invitation but they still granted us billions of Dollars of Aid and free Oil since January of this year.

Pakistan suffered 80K causalities just because we enter a unwanted War and allow these Afghans into our land , same Jihadi we trained came back to haunt us and kill my people , destroy my country and its economy , the same reason why we have to spread our hands in front of these GCC countries, and you wanted us to enter a Sectarian war which will ignite another Civil war inside Pakistan, and send our Country into a dark path ? where our people die and economy suffer while these Sunni and Shia comes as our friend and give us some Aid ? wouldn't that be better if we stay out of conflicts ?

How about UAE when we refused Yemen war coalition invitation but they still gave use 3 Billion Dollars when we asked for their help.

UAE is too weak and tiny to wage war, they want us not because of some brotherly love, they wanted us to be the cannon fodder while their soldiers stay in their barracks . UAE has no independent foreign Policy they just follow KSA like a good puppy .

Have we shown solidarity with China on HongKong Issue??? Any news from our FO that we stand with China?

Oh yes , we should if we haven't and are we not busy with our own shit ? we have a hostile neighbor ready to Attack us but hey lets shift our focus to some HK protests .. Great

Our foreign relations are so self centered that we dont even bother caring about what other countries would expect from us. On the other hand, India has best relations with Iran and also KSA GCC and also Turkey at the same time too, what a marvel of their professional Diplomatic core. A Turkish government delegation was there in July discussing how to increase bilateral trade and double it in 2019 just a few days ago before Article 370 abrogation.

Exactly, You know why India has relationship with Iran and GCC ? have you see the Same UAE threat India for breaking ties with Iran ? have you see these Saudi little Princess threat India ? but hey we have to pick sides while rest of the world can remain neutral right .. height of Hypocrisy

The Turkish, the GCC and Iranians all have economic interests in India that have rendered them neutral but provide lip service to our cause, not just because of economic interests but also due in part because we don't respond to the call of brotherly countries when they call us for help but declare ourselves neutral.

and what about Pakistan's economic Interests ? we should enter Yemen and get Few Billions of Dollars from GCC while send our country on a dark civil war Path? why can't we stay neutral as our Economic ties lies with both Iran and GCC ? no we have to take sides because most of people are still slaves to these Damns Arabs and Ayatuallah's ? Sick

If we love Qatar because it hosted Taliban Talks then Qatar has US CENTCOM there to make having those talks possible too. Qatar already has a DEFENSE PACT WITH INDIA that India would defend Qatar from outside aggression, lol...

Don't bring Afghan talks here because it was paramount for us to get involved because Afghan peace is directly related to our peace right ? and America was involved, you know who America is ? Baap of us and every GCC country ..

Pakistan needs to sort out its Foreign Policy asap, a deep introspection and correction before friends like China and Turkey start looking the other way too.

by that if you mean put Lotion on our A$$ and present it to Arabs ? Nah we are doing good, we should remain neutral , we should stop this Ummah crap and BS , we should worry about our Country first , fight our wars firsts and don't expect anyone to help us . Because even if Pakistan goes to War with India tomorrow these GCC will come to help but behind the scene there will be lots of compromises which we as Civilians would never know . These GCC should be greatfull for Pakistan, we time to time send our Forces in thousands in their land for whatever reason, my cousin who was Brig in Army took a contingent of 20k soldiers to KSA .. now figure it out why and come back to me .

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

My concern is Pakistanis who have been used and abused by this bogus one sided concept. We are in bondage.

I don't want to be part of your slavery with a smile ummah cheap labor injustice and hajj profits for ummah leaders. Makes me sick .

It is not so simple brother.

Many in the Arab world support us and pray for us. The regimes may have the strongest voice, but we should not forget the love and commitment which the Arab street has for us.

This is the Ummah from which Mujahideen left their comfortable homes to fight Soviets in Afghanistan, who smiled when they heard the news that Pakistan was made, those who fought to resist the end of the Ottoman Empire on the side of Turks in losing battles, exemplified by great leaders like King Faisal, Qaddafi, etc.

 

[YeBeWarned]

You need to grow a spine, then quote me.

I do, and I put Pakistan before any GCC or Shia country , Yes I would criticize every country specially a Muslim one who will award a Butcher like Modi, a man who wage war with my country , kill my people and soldiers on LoC, annex Pakistan my country , and constantly threat to obliterate my home country ?

You are upset because you know your leaders screw up , and now the image you try to build of brothers (GCC-Pakistan) is shattered which making you upset , take a break and ask your leaders why such love for Modi ?

 

[Mutakalim]

hey Khafee bro relax .. let people have different opinion , some are pro GCC and some are pro Iran and it is their choice .

So, you think people have a choice here to Insult Islam and we should consider it as an difference of opinion? This guy is continuously spewing hatred and disinformation against our Arab Prophet (P.B.U.H) and you think we should take it lightly. His opinion starts from insulting Ummah, then he move towards Arabs and finally he ends at Muhammad e Arbi (P.B.U.H). His posts were reported before, and unfortunately no action was taken by administration of this forum. @The Eagle

@Areesh

 

[YeBeWarned]

So, you think people have a choice here to Insult Islam and we should consider it as an difference of opinion? This guy is continuously spewing hatred and disinformation against our Arab Prophet (P.B.U.H) and you think we should take it lightly. His opinion starts from insulting Ummah, then he move towards Arabs and finally he ends at Muhammad e Arbi (P.B.U.H). His posts were reported before, and unfortunately no action was taken by administration of this forum. @The Eagle

@Areesh

Nobody is supporting his insult about Prophet, as you and Khafee says that the post is deleted, which is good that person deserves a ban in my opinion , I am talking about another matter , my request for Khafee to take this with calm manner not on insulting Prophet but on this Pakistani's criticizing GCC for their behavior with MODI .

 

[Mutakalim]

The concept of Ummah is related to our beloved Prophet Mohammad SAW because we are his Ummati. How on earth are you calling the concept as garbage and still not banned for eternity is just a matter of time. You are bound to end up in the garbage dump of history yourself.

He didnt stopped at Ummah, he also attacked the the personality and tribe of our Prophet (P.B.U.H). His post was reported by me and @Areesh but no action was taken by Mods.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Menace2Society

There are many holes in your arguments.

For one, how do you view Quaid e Azam’s strong commitment to Palestine and the Arabs, along with his strong aversion to Israel?

Not even speaking of Allama Iqbal’s robust philosophy of a sacred Islamic state, the inheritance of our bozorg (elders,) where we can expound again the cause of Islam and the show the world the proper message of Islam.

Pakistan is an ideological Islamic state, whose very foundations are based on a Daulat (continual state,) which is the successor of Mughal, Dilli, Ghaznavi, Ghori, and Durrani greatness.

If not for Islam, Pakistan would not be needed in its current form. The Two Nation theory itself comes from the Quran.