Saudi Arabia, Turkey Discussing Unlikely Alliance To Oust Syria's Assad

[-SINAN-]

This won't happen. But if it happens, let Turkey then handle a Libya situation on its border.

Yeah, it won't happen but if it happens it will be over very quickly. Assad and his gang will be hanged. ISIS will be cleansed. Rule of the Syria would be given to moderate rebels. order would be restored.....

 

[SBD-3]

Do these people anything better to do or just believe in anarchy and destruction. Right and left setting up killing field. But interesting ISIS sell Turkey daily 1.3 million dollars of oil daily. (Najam Sethi, apas ki baat), Then Turkey destroy ISIS ?. Obviously they target Assad.

Even Asqad regime buys oil from ISIS so where does this put them?
ISIS selling Syrian oil to Assad regime
Syria's Assad accused of boosting al-Qaeda with secret oil deals - Telegraph

let's just say this is true and they do succeed in ousting Al Assad...what next?? who is going to deal with Da'esh scum?? is FSA/Al'Nusrah going to disband??? what happens to the Kurds and other minorities in Syria??


I don't think this is wise.

ISIL is a bigger threat to Syria than Assad but Assad knows that he is safe until there is an ISIL in Syria, the day ISIL in Syria is neutralized, Assad's outster would become 3x much easier. So Assad will continue to strengthen ISIL secretly and keep them in the game.

 

[-SINAN-]

But interesting ISIS sell Turkey daily 1.3 million dollars of oil daily.

That's a baseless unproven claim.

 

[The SiLent crY]

Yeah, it won't happen but if it happens it will be over very quickly. Assad and his gang will be hanged. ISIS will be cleansed. Rule of the Syria would be given to moderate rebels. order would be restored.....

To Caliphate Erdogan soldiers .

 

[-SINAN-]

To Caliphate Erdogan soldiers .

I don't understand, for decades Turkey refrained from joining ME issues. And after all years, Turkey barely joined in ME issues, (let me to remind, we are not the ones who has it's soldiers in a foreign country.) and everyone saying (They want to bring Ottomans back, he wants to be the caliph..... etc...)

If Turkey wants to be a caliphate, what does Iran wants to be with sending it's soldiers all over the ME countries like Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, etc...

We didn't even lift our finger yet, and you are making so much fuss.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

If Yemen is dealt with successfully then I think that the current Arab coalition dealing with the Houthi's and the Yemeni military loyal to Ali Abdullah Saleh AND the proposed joint Arab military force (so far 40.000 soldiers have been discussed but the number could probably rise significantly if needed) might move into Syria. It's a complex situation though as nobody has intervened directly with their military. I think a deal between the Arab world (read mostly GCC) and Russia should be sought. Egypt might play a role as mediator here.

What is certain is that the madness in Syria cannot go on and that the Al-Assad regime (the top dogs in his regime not the common Syrian soldier), ISIS, Al-Nusra, all the foreign Shia militias and other terrorists have no future in Syria and are a threat to the stability of the region.

I am not sure if Turkey would be willing to participate in Syria directly (let alone anyone else including a hypothetical Arab coalition) but if they did then it would be a boost and might help end the conflict quicker.

US would probably be involved too.

The most important thing is trying to find a solution with Russia but it will be difficult as ties with Russia and the West are poor and they are already waging a war on the Ukrainian front. Russia is basically keeping the Assad regime alive/prolonging it's limited lifespan prolonging the suffering of the Syrian people. A moronic strategy as the opinion of Russia among Syrians are no different to what they think about Iran. Let me just say that it's not pretty. A potential ally lost for at least the 2-3 upcoming generations. Their problem. I am sure a political solution could have been found that would have made the Russians happy. Maybe perspectives will change when Putin will be gone? He seems rather unstable.

Anyway the Arab leaders better understand that the security of the Arab world and people is their responsibility no matter how big, complex and how geopolitically important the Arab world is and how much meddling there is. If not then this will at one point have grave consequences for them as the tolerance of many people, especially in war torn areas, is very, very low. Understandably so. So if it takes war in all Arab states to change things then so be it. We have survived much worse in our long ancient history.

 

[Madali]

Yeah, it won't happen but if it happens it will be over very quickly. Assad and his gang will be hanged. ISIS will be cleansed. Rule of the Syria would be given to moderate rebels. order would be restored.....

The folly of each war is that people think it's going to be easy. Get rid of the top guy, bring in your guys, and tada, solved. It always sounds so simple.

But what's Turkey going to do? Get rid of Assad and then, what, stay in Syria until they get rid of each ISIS member and each pro-Assad member? How long will this take? And then what, bring in the moderate rebels, and leave it, or control them to ensure that they are not infiltrated by ISIS or Assad sentiments?

 

[Skywalker]

So you deal with A Qaeda , Ahrar , Islamic front and etc , The same way you deal with them in Pakistan ?

When I compare Syrian government controlled cities with the ones under the so called rebels' control I get the differences .

People in Damascus , Homs , Latakia , Tartus and Hama live way better than you do in Pakistan , leave alone the ruins that Al Qaeda , ISIS or FSA have .

Bashar is the only hope to keep Syria a good country otherwise it'll be way worse than Pakistan and Afghanistan .

Yes yes......typical jealousey against Pakistan and pakistani people...beware of that day when you get squeezed by Turkey from one end Pakistan from the other end, you cowards should be thankful to Pakistan that they are still showing restraint, otherwise we know what we can do against your so called mighty army.

 

[-SINAN-]

The folly of each war is that people think it's going to be easy. Get rid of the top guy, bring in your guys, and tada, solved. It always sounds so simple.

But what's Turkey going to do? Get rid of Assad and then, what, stay in Syria until they get rid of each ISIS member and each pro-Assad member? How long will this take? And then what, bring in the moderate rebels, and leave it, or control them to ensure that they are not infiltrated by ISIS or Assad sentiments?

I'm against Turkey's involvement in Syria. We don't need a war. But if it comes to shove, we should strike ASAD forces hard, and destroy it's bulk of the forces. Then fall back and let the FSA to regain control of the country.(giving aerial support). I'm not saying it will be easy but it can be done.

 

[SipahSalar]

I'm against Turkey's involvement in Syria. We don't need a war. But if it comes to shove, we should strike ASAD forces hard, and destroy it's bulk of the forces. Then fall back and let the FSA to regain control of the country.(giving aerial support). I'm not saying it will be easy but it can be done.

I am sure Turkish forces are capable of that. But what happens after you destroy Assad's forces? Who do you think will take over? It will be ISIS.
Assad is a monster, just as Saddam was a monster and Gaddaffi too. They brought balance. But when you remove them, there is a vacuum left over. Now you need to think about who will fill that vacuum?
If you remove Assad and don't want the country to fall to ISIS, then you need to have a presence in Syria for at least 3 years, otherwise ISIS takes over, and ISIS is way worse than Assad.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I am sure Turkish forces are capable of that. But what happens after you destroy Assad's forces? Who do you think will take over? It will be ISIS.
Assad is a monster, just as Saddam was a monster and Gaddaffi too. They brought balance. But when you remove them, there is a vacuum left over. Now you need to think about who will fill that vacuum?
If you remove Assad and don't want the country to fall to ISIS, then you need to have a presence in Syria for at least 3 years, otherwise ISIS takes over, and ISIS is way worse than Assad.

You cannot deal with 1 party without dealing with the other. It makes no sense. It's the same in Yemen. The coalition's aim is to target the Houthi's, Ali Abdullah Saleh and AQAP but you cannot open all fronts at once. Wars are costly even for rich states and the economy is not the best in the world of late. Many decisions to consider. It's a mad man's region to begin with of late.

In case of an invasion both those evils will target a potential coalition. Both are part of the problem and both must be removed. The international coalition led by the US and its regional partners is already targeting ISIS but you won't remove them unless you send ground troops and nobody has been ready to do that yet if they will ever be ready. You probably won't be able to remove them fully but you can at least limit them to small sleeper cells and hopefully hardly any locals will support them.

A lot of important decisions will be taken in the future. Not acting at all will just make it all worse.

 

[SipahSalar]

You cannot deal with 1 party with dealing with the other. In case of an invasion both those evils will target a potential coalition. Both are part of the problem and both must be removed. The international coalition led by the US and its regional partners is already targeting ISIS but you won't remove them unless you send ground troops and nobody is read to do that yet if ever. You probably won't be able to remove them fully but you can at least limit them to small sleeper cells and hopefully hardly any locals will support them.

You can never reduce them to "smaller cells" without a proper ground force. If Turkey and KSA do decide to remove Assad, they should be ready for a 5 year ground deployment. Expecting everything to work out on its own after removing Assad is just a fantasy.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You can never reduce them to "smaller cells" without a proper ground force. If Turkey and KSA do decide to remove Assad, they should be ready for a 5 year ground deployment. Expecting everything to work out on its own after removing Assad is just a fantasy.

That's what I am saying. Ground troops are NEEDED. I edited my post. Please read it again. A potential ground invasion by anyone will have to target Assad and ISIS as both are enemies. FSA will be able to defeat ISIS with the right support and without having to fight on 2 fronts. 1 against the regime and their constant barrel bombings and the other ISIS maniacs. So yes, it can be done. Especially if Russia stops their support for Al-Assad which I see as the biggest hurdle. Either that or Syria will remain unstable for years to come. The GCC won't be that effected by it as we don't border Syria directly although the main population centers of Southern Syria (including Damascus) are close to Northern KSA. Other of our partners in the region and fellow Arab countries are and will though and it's not foreseeable for the stability of the region on the long run.

 

[-SINAN-]

You can never reduce them to "smaller cells" without a proper ground force. If Turkey and KSA do decide to remove Assad, they should be ready for a 5 year ground deployment. Expecting everything to work out on its own after removing Assad is just a fantasy.

Nah...there is already FSA, we don't need to establish local security forces after the invasion, FSA will just take that role automatically. We should just support FSA intensively, that's it.

 

[Madali]

I'm against Turkey's involvement in Syria. We don't need a war. But if it comes to shove, we should strike ASAD forces hard, and destroy it's bulk of the forces. Then fall back and let the FSA to regain control of the country.(giving aerial support). I'm not saying it will be easy but it can be done.

Removing a government is usually much simpler and easier than maintaining a nation. For example, US's invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam's power took only three weeks!

So far so good. But what about the AFTERMATH. 12 years after that mere three weeks, and Iraq is still not stable.

Iraq is just one example. To a western nation attacking a middle eastern nation, the blow back from an unstable country isn't that bad. Places like Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya, and Yemen might become unstable & breed terrorists, but the worst that happen to USA or Europe is an occasional terrorist attack. Not good, but now imagine OUR countries if when we border with unstable countries. Then that becomes much more dangerous.