Saudi Arabia, Russia, arms talks and S-400 deal

[Saif al-Arab]

A proper startegy of course is deal with all folks

KSA deals with Russia on many fronts (more than most Muslim countries actually when you look at trade) but that does not mean that we have to buy Russian products per se when there are better alternatives out there. All I am saying.

That I personally don't want KSA to bankroll Putin and his policies in the region (hostile to KSA's interests) and my principle stance on occupied Caucasus, is another discussion. I just mentioned it so people would understand why I would be against such a deal among other reasons given.

 

[ARABIC]

Why is all the news I hear regarding Saudi about some sort of arms deal?

Saudi military's poor performance in Yemen should be a wake up call that they should invest their money elsewhere.

First of all saudi arabia never send botts in yemen only airstrik to support the yemen army against the houthi and afash national guard
Whish they are combined more tgen 600 k soldiers
Saudi arabia did some surgical attack with the special force only
And the land force is sitting in the border only

About the airforce
Saudi arabia have more then 50 k guided bombs we latterly can make yemen like syria but our war is not with yemen
It's with houthi and afash the old president
The airforce do a lot more than you think
Rsaf have control yemen airfeild in 23 minutes and destroy all yemen air fields whish their controlled by houthis and a lot of weqpons storages in 1 and half hour from tge begging of the war
Our proplem now is the houthihide between the people and inside the houses and store their weapons in side some hospitals. Schools. Mousqes
And we can't target that only if the target was without any civilian casualty

The air defense force
Shot down more then 250 ballistics missile with 100% source

Raytheon Claims 100% Success Rate for Patriot Missiles in Saudi Service

http://whitefleet.net/2016/07/16/ra...s-rate-for-patriot-missiles-in-saudi-service/
In which part saudi arabia failed

 

[EpiiC]

Why not buy the Arrow 3 ABM from Israel? KSA already buying high qaulity drones from them. Or AEGIS SM-3 from USA? S400 is overated IMO.

 

[ARABIC]

Why not buy the Arrow 3 ABM from Israel? KSA already buying high qaulity drones from them. Or AEGIS SM-3 from USA? S400 is overated IMO.

Buying from isreal why?

 

[EpiiC]

Buying from isreal why?

They have high tech weapons, and their defence system is not even that expenisve compared to Russia/USA.... They also offered KSA the Iron Dome last year or 2 ago,

 

[The SC]

Why not buy the Arrow 3 ABM from Israel? KSA already buying high qaulity drones from them. Or AEGIS SM-3 from USA? S400 is overated IMO.

The Arrow 3 is co-produced by US and Usrael, KSA would rather buy SM-3 if AEGIS is available, as for the latest news it will be available on some US ships made for export.. but for land antiballistic systems the S-400 might be used to protect Saudi land forces and their armoured brigades..There is already Patriot Pac-3 and THAAD is coming, the best will be a land based AEGIS system too..

 

[EpiiC]

The Arrow 3 is co-produced by US and Usrael, KSA would rather buy SM-3 if AEGIS is available, as for the latest news is will be available on some US ships made for export.. but for land antiballistic systems the S-400 might be used to protect Saudi land forces and their armoured brigades..There is already Patriot Pac-3 and THAAD is coming, the best will be a land based AEGIS system too..

I agree with that land based AEGIS Ashore might be best but its better to have both the arrow and Sm-3 together along with THAAD and PAC-3 thats 4 layers of defence there.... Israel has 5 layers and USA has 5 layers too!!

 

[The SC]

I agree with that land based AEGIS Ashore might be best but its better to have both the arrow and Sm-3 together along with THAAD and PAC-3 thats 4 layers of defence there.... Israel has 5 layers and USA has 5 layers too!!

KSA won't buy anything from Usrael that is clear, and it might be why KSA is interested in the S-400, It is rather better to have an M-16 and a Kalashnikov for different roles than 2 M-16s..

 

[EpiiC]

KSA won't buy anything from Usrael that is clear, and it might be why KSA is interested in the S-400, It is rather better to have an M-16 and a Kalashnikov for different roles than 2 M-16s..

Few months ago they were reported to be buying drones from them, when not missile defence?

 

[ARABIC]

Few months ago they were reported to be buying drones from them, when not missile defence?

You have source for this because i am 100% sure that my country will not buy any thing from isreal even if tge offer 1 nuclear warhead for 1 us$

 

[EpiiC]

You have source for this because i am 100% sure that my country will not buy any thing from isreal even if tge offer 1 nuclear warhead for 1 us$

Why not buy anything from your semite cousins? Israel has top quality tec and weapons.... Saudi is biggest weapons importer.... its in their interest to buy high quality tec and weapons...
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Re...rones-from-Israel-through-South-Africa-449779
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/03/30/458339/saudi-arabia-israel-drones-south-africa
https://www.rt.com/news/337831-saudis-buy-israeli-drones/
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-buying-israeli-drones-via-south-africa/
http://www.partiantisioniste.com/en/news/saudi-arabia-buys-israeli-drones-en.html
http://awdnews.com/political/saudi-arabia-after-israeli-drone-deal

 

[ARABIC]

Why not buy anything from your semite cousins? Israel has top quality tec and weapons.... Saudi is biggest weapons importer.... its in their interest to buy high quality tec and weapons...
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Re...rones-from-Israel-through-South-Africa-449779
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/03/30/458339/saudi-arabia-israel-drones-south-africa
https://www.rt.com/news/337831-saudis-buy-israeli-drones/
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-buying-israeli-drones-via-south-africa/
http://www.partiantisioniste.com/en/news/saudi-arabia-buys-israeli-drones-en.html
http://awdnews.com/political/saudi-arabia-after-israeli-drone-deal

wait wait
they take there sources from a twitter account
"The report aims to hide the fact that Saudi Arabia intends to purchase drones from Israel via South Africa," the analyst, calling himself "Mujtahid", claimed.

this is his page on twitter
https://twitter.com/mujtahidd?lang=ar

 

[The SC]

Why not buy anything from your semite cousins? Israel has top quality tec and weapons.... Saudi is biggest weapons importer.... its in their interest to buy high quality tec and weapons...
http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Re...rones-from-Israel-through-South-Africa-449779
http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2016/03/30/458339/saudi-arabia-israel-drones-south-africa
https://www.rt.com/news/337831-saudis-buy-israeli-drones/
http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/saudi-arabia-buying-israeli-drones-via-south-africa/
http://www.partiantisioniste.com/en/news/saudi-arabia-buys-israeli-drones-en.html
http://awdnews.com/political/saudi-arabia-after-israeli-drone-deal

KSA buys drones from China, and UAE is making very good drones, A Turkish one of the best is coming in 2017/18, so there is plenty of choice..

 

[ptldM3]

As a principle we should avoid buying any weapons from Russia as long as Putin is around due to their stance in Syria. Or well-known and decade old crimes in occupied Caucasus. That's just me talking and I know that such opinions don't matter the slighest when it comes to geopolitics. I have nothing against Russia or Russians but I can't support Russian policies in Syria or what they have been doing in Caucasus for generations.

Anyway there are better alternatives such as the West.

What's better there is China and Ukraine.

I believe that KSA will definitely go for the Grom-2 missile system that we are rumored to help finance. This would fit well into the current policy and make sense given other military ventures (Antonov) etc.

Ukraine is also willing to do JV's and TOT.

Unless Russia, out of the sudden, is willing to offer JV's and TOT and in general increase military ties with KSA. That is very doubtful.

Rather focus on China and Ukraine first and foremost when it comes to partners and also Turkey.

Occupied caucuses? Russians have lived in that region before there was was any artificial Arab states.

The people living in the Caucuses are also not even indigenous, they are decendents of mongol invaders from the east and various ethnic tribes from the south. Every piece of land has had countless wars fought over it. Ancient tribes always went to war, some lost territory while other gained territory. By your definition every piece of land is occupied. The Ottoman Empire stole lands from many different empires and tribes. Constantinople ring any bells? What about Kurds and Armanians. What about the United States taking land from native Americans and Mexico? Or Canada? What about Australia and South Africa? How about Cuba or Spain? What about the Africans living in the carribean? How about Argentina?

I can go on and on but your argument is that of a child.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Occupied caucuses? Russians have lived in that region before there was was any artificial Arab states.

The people living in the Caucuses are also not even indigenous, they are decendents of mongol invaders from the east and various ethnic tribes from the south. Every piece of land has had countless wars fought over it. Ancient tribes always went to war, some lost territory while other gained territory. By your definition every piece of land is occupied. The Ottoman Empire stole lands from many different empires and tribes. Constantinople ring any bells? What about Kurds and Armanians. What about the United States taking land from native Americans and Mexico? Or Canada? What about Australia and South Africa? How about Cuba or Spain? What about the Africans living in the carribean? How about Argentina?

I can go on and on but your argument is that of a child.

You guys (ethnic Russian Slavs) have a recorded history that is barely 1150 years old. Comparing to the states of the Arab world and civilizations (cradle of civilization) this is a mere joke.

1150 years ago the Abbasid Caliphate (founded by people from modern-day KSA - Hijaz to be precise) ruled much of Caucasus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Tbilisi

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs_in_the_Caucasus






Umayyad Caliphate:



Even the earliest Muslim Caliphate (Rashidun) had reached Caucasus:



As for Russians (ethnic Slavs) being native to Caucasus, please give me a break.

Your history there is barely 250 years old.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_conquest_of_the_Caucasus

"You" (as in the former German Tsar family) conquered those lands. Unless you are going to tell me that you predate native peoples in those lands such as Circassians, Avars, Georgians, Chechens etc. to name a few.

In fact you guys committed genocide against those people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Circassians

So for you to tell such fairytale stories is embarrassing.

Yes, nation states such as those found in Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Egypt etc. are all "artificial".

That is my personal opinion combined with the fact that I see no reason for KSA/GCC or any Arab state to bankroll Putin let alone buy Russian weapons when there are better alternatives. Nor have I seen Russia being willing to offer JV's and TOT.

Get over it.