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Saudi Arabia is quietly preparing for an international nuclear agreement with Iran that it fears will rehabilitate its Shiite Persian rival. King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud's approach eschews the public spectacle of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech to Congress (indeed, the Saudis don't want any association with Israel) and instead focuses on regional alliances to contain an emergent Iran.

The Saudis publicly welcomed US Secretary of State John Kerry's assurances in Riyadh last week that Washington will not accept a bad nuclear deal with Iran, and that a deal will not inaugurate a grand rapprochement between Washington and Tehran. They remain deeply skeptical about the negotiations, however, and are preparing for any outcome in the P5+1 process.

The Saudis recognize that a successful deal between Iran, the US, Russia, China, Britain, France and Germany will enjoy broad international backing and United Nations endorsement. Riyadh has no interest in being isolated in a dissenting minority with Netanyahu against a deal backed by a global majority. The royal family despises Israel, and Netanyahu is regarded as a war criminal by most Saudis. Any hint of mutual interest with Israel is unpalatable in the kingdom.

So the Saudi approach is to strengthen its regional alliances for long-term confrontation with Tehran. Most immediately, this means strengthening the unity of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC). It has strong allies in Abu Dhabi and Manama. In Riyadh's eyes, there are two weak links in GCC collusion against Iran: Oman and Qatar. Neither is likely to give up their bilateral lucrative ties to Iran, but Salman is pressing both to adhere to GCC unity and not facilitate Iranian subversion.

Yemen is the key GCC battlefield. The victory of the Iranian-backed Zaydi Shiite Houthis in seizing control of most of north Yemen, including Sanaa, has led the Saudis and the GCC to move their embassies to Aden, where they are trying to back the tattered remnant of the Abed Rabbo Mansour Hadi regime in south Yemen. The inauguration of Sanaa-Tehran air flights last month, a first, only underscores the extent of Iran's success in achieving a key goal in the kingdom's backyard and in its historically weak underbelly. The Saudis are on the defense in Yemen.

Egypt is Riyadh's key Arab partner. The kingdom played an important role in bringing Gen. Abdel Fattah al-Sisi to power, and Salman met him a week ago to coordinate closely on regional issues, especially Iran. Cairo is too preoccupied with its own domestic terror threat from the Islamic State (IS) and spillover from Libya's disintegration to be very helpful against Iranian machinations elsewhere, however, and is more of a liability (especially financially) than an asset, albeit one Saudi Arabia is determined to keep afloat.

The Shiite government in Baghdad is regarded as a long-lost Arab partner. The Saudis expect Iran to emerge as the big winner in the war with IS, no matter how long it takes and how bloody it is. The Saudis know history, geography, demography and sectarian affiliation favor Iran in Iraq. They believe that President George W. Bush made a colossal error in 2003 and that President Barack Obama has made an "unholy alliance" today with Iran in Iraq. The only option now is to contain the Shiite breakthrough here, too.

Syria has been lost to Iran as well, but Riyadh still hopes to oust Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. The Saudis are pouring money into the Lebanese army, as a potential brake on Hezbollah, along with the French. Salman also recently met with Jordan's King Abdullah to coordinate with Amman on Syria and with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan as well.

Riyadh's most crucial ally is Pakistan, the only Muslim nuclear weapons state. Last year, for the first time, the Saudis publicly displayed their vintage Chinese-made intermediate-range ballistic missiles — the only ones they have that can reach Tehran — at a military parade. In the reviewing stands was Pakistani Chief of Army Staff Gen. Rahul Sharif, the man who controls Pakistan's nuclear arsenal. It is the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world, and the Saudis have been helping to pay for its development since the 1970s. It was a very calculated signal.

Salman, in late February, summoned the Pakistani prime minister, Nawaz Sharif, to Riyadh. The highly unusual and urgent public invitation was linked in the Pakistani press to "strategic cooperation" against Iran. Salman visited Islamabad a year ago as crown prince and gave Sharif a $1.5 billion grant to reaffirm the Saudi-Pakistani strategic accord. Sharif spent three days in the kingdom last week in response to the king's invitation. He received a royal reception.

One immediate result of the talks is a plan for Pakistan to move its embassy in Yemen to Aden.

The speculation in Islamabad is that the king sought assurances from Sharif that, if the Iran negotiations produce either a bad deal or no deal, Pakistan will live up to its longstanding commitment to Saudi security. That is understood in Riyadh and Islamabad to include a nuclear dimension.

Sharif also visited the kingdom in January of this year. He was apparently told that then-King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz Al Saud was at death's door, and Sharif came to pay his respects and meet with Salman before the king died. No other leader was given this advance notice — another sign of the critical importance of the Saudi-Pakistani axis.

The exact details of what the Pakistani nuclear commitment to the kingdom includes is, of course, among the most closely held secrets of our world. Both Riyadh and Islamabad prefer to maintain ambiguity and deniability.

The Saudis have not given up on Obama; the United States is still their oldest ally. Washington is too important to irritate with speeches. The Saudis prefer a more subtle approach.
 
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Everything is a zero sum game for Saudi Arabia. Iran's reintegration to the global economy will be good for Saudi Arabia and GCC at large, because the two entities could begin to trade with one another. And with economic integration and interdependence, it would deter both Iran and KSA from escalating the regional conflics. Because in such a common and collective security architecture, it would be against both parties interests to do so.
Everything would be discussed at the table diplomatically, rather than propping up proxies which only hurt the countries that are victims to Iran-Saudi rivalry.
And economically everyone would benefit greatly including Iran, KSA, GCC, Pakistan and other countries.
Saudi Arabia need to think out of the box and accommodate Iran as a regional partner for peace and stability. lol

@WebMaster @waz @Horus @Chak Bamu @chauvunist @Rakan.SA @Frosty @Desert Fox
 
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Pakistan is a good partner for both Iran and Saudi Arabia and would be an ideal country to mediate between Iran and KSA, in case tensions escalate.

yeah that is ok , if both countries want to solve their issues with peace , than Pakistan is there to help ... but putting some Nukes in KSA or technology transfer , will be a bit much to expect .
 
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Everything is a zero sum game for Saudi Arabia. Iran's reintegration to the global economy will be good for Saudi Arabia and GCC at large, because the two entities could begin to trade with one another. And with economic integration and interdependence, it would deter both Iran and KSA from escalating the regional conflics. Because in such a common and collective security architecture, it would be against both parties interests to do so.
Everything would be discussed at the table diplomatically, rather than propping up proxies which only hurt the countries that are victims to Iran-Saudi rivalry.
And economically everyone would benefit greatly including Iran, KSA, GCC, Pakistan and other countries.
Saudi Arabia need to think out of the box and accommodate Iran as a regional partner for peace and stability. lol

@WebMaster @waz @Horus @Chak Bamu @chauvunist @Rakan.SA @Frosty @Desert Fox

Not possible as long as those two countries are ruled by the regimes that are ruling them.

I don't think that there were many hostilities between the GCC and the Arab world prior to 1979 (Iranian revolution) outside of nearby Iraq. If I recall there were territorial disputes regarding the Shatt al-Arab.

If we put the Arab-Persian rivalry aside then what you described is the best solution not only for both countries but for the region as a whole and many non-ME Muslim countries. Even I have to admit this, lol.

Oman and Qatar are already cooperating with Iran economically wise and UAE tolerates the significant Iranian expat community due to the economic benefits.

I am just not sure if the last 36 years of conflict and proxy wars will be easily forgotten by both parties and their cheerleaders outside of KSA and Iran (which are found in the millions upon millions - just notice this phenomenon on PDF).

Some serious solutions for the crisis in Syria, Iraq and Yemen must be found first. KSA (GCC) and Iran might reach some kind of agreement/understanding but can you say the same about the local parties in Syria, Iraq and Yemen who belong to each camp? They are after all the ones doing all the fighting. They are murdering each other, not KSA (GCC) and Iran.

When it comes to business then there is one thing that is certain in regards to Arabs. They will do business with anyone, lol. A trip to every single Arab country is confirmation enough.

This article is inaccurate. Syria is not lost nor won. Yemen is neither lost nor won too. Houthi's control Northern Yemen. Zaydis form around 30% of Yemen's population. It's impossible for them to control Yemen in its entirety.

Even an Iranian political analyst and expert in Iranian foreign affairs agrees with me.

Does Iran really control Yemen? - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East
 
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yeah that is ok , if both countries want to solve their issues with peace , than Pakistan is there to help ... but putting some Nukes in KSA or technology transfer , will be a bit much to expect .

Yeah that is not a realistic expectation from KSA (to get nukes from Pakistan). Its not like you sell a piece of candy.
Especially since Iran is not expected to break free from its commitments of the NPT. If Iran would throw out inspectors and "dash" for the bomb, then I could see Pakistan giving away nukes.
There is no incentive for Iran to do such an irrational thing.
Iran will abide by the NPT and only use nuclear power for peaceful purpose and subscribe to the idea of nuclear weapons free zone. :)
 
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to tell u the truth
i expected saudis to intervene with full force in yemen
that was the way to show your power
heck its your own backyard and you want to integrate it in their future political union of GCC
how they allowed it is beyond me
 
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Yeah that is not a realistic expectation from KSA (to get nukes from Pakistan). Its not like you sell a piece of candy.
Especially since Iran is not expected to break free from its commitments of the NPT. If Iran would throw out inspectors and "dash" for the bomb, then I could see Pakistan giving away nukes.
There is no incentive for Iran to do such an irrational thing.
Iran will abide by the NPT and only use nuclear power for peaceful purpose and subscribe to the idea of nuclear weapons free zone. :)

Saudi's are one hell rich people , they can buy it from USA with some haahaha
Pakistani missiles are not that good hahaha
 
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Saudi Arabia should build nuclear plants in the country and train nuclear scientists. UAE is also building Nuclear plants. Iran is not going to nuke Saudi Arabia or Persian Gulf Shiekhdoms. The House of Saud seems to see storm in the teapot.
 
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Not possible as long as those two countries are ruled by the regimes that are ruling them.

I don't think that there were many hostilities between the GCC and the Arab world prior to 1979 (Iranian revolution) outside of nearby Iraq. If I recall there were territorial disputes regarding the Shatt al-Arab.

If we put the Arab-Persian rivalry aside then what you described is the best solution not only for both countries but for the region as a whole and many non-ME Muslim countries. Even I have to admit this, lol.

Oman and Qatar are already cooperating with Iran economically wise and UAE tolerates the significant Iranian expat community due to the economic benefits.

I am just not sure if the last 36 years of conflict and proxy wars will be easily forgotten by both parties and their cheerleaders outside of KSA and Iran (which are found in the millions upon millions - just notice this phenomenon on PDF).

Some serious solutions for the crisis in Syria, Iraq and Yemen must be found first. KSA (GCC) and Iran might reach some kind of agreement/understanding but can you say the same about the local parties in Syria, Iraq and Yemen who belong to each camp? They are after all the ones doing all the fighting. They are murdering each other, not KSA (GCC) and Iran.

When it comes to business then there is one thing that is certain in regards to Arabs. They will do business with anyone, lol. A trip to every single Arab country is confirmation enough.

This article is inaccurate. Syria is not lost nor won. Yemen is neither lost nor won too. Houthi's control Northern Yemen. Zaydis form around 30% of Yemen's population. It's impossible for them to control Yemen in its entirety.

Even an Iranian political analyst and expert in Iranian foreign affairs agrees with me.

Does Iran really control Yemen? - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Imagine if we put all our resources and focus our energy on cooperating rather than wasting it on going against each other.
We would become greater than European Union.

The Europeans are laughing at the Middle East right now and look at Middle Easteteners as backward fools that have not learned to live with each other yet. Why whould we be like that, when all the civilizations of the ME are the oldest ones in the world and has the most natural resources?
The potentials are endless if only Iran and Saudi find it in their heart and rational minds to pull all their resources and energy on making the Middle East the economic superpower.
 
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Imagine if we put all our resources and focus our energy on cooperating rather than wasting it on going against each other.
We would become greater than European Union.

The Europeans are laughing at the Middle East right now and look at Middle Easteteners as backward fools that have not learned to live with each other yet. Why whould we be like that, when all the civilizations of the ME are the oldest ones in the world and has the most natural resources?
The potentials are endless if only Iran and Saudi find it in their heart and rational minds to pull all their resources and energy on making the Middle East the economic superpower.
Actually I think Africa has more natural resources than the Mideast and thankfully we have it better than them lol.
 
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Saudi Arabia should build nuclear plants in the country and create nuclear scientists. Iran is not going to nuke Saudi Arabia or Persian Gulf Shiekhdoms. The House of Saud seems to see storm in teapot.


Nuclear Power in Saudi Arabia

"Saudi Arabia plans to construct 16 nuclear power reactors over the next 20 years at a cost of more than $80 billion, with the first reactor on line in 2022."

Nuclear energy in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nuclear program of Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Saudi Arabia Fast-Tracks Nuclear Power - Forbes

I don't think that anyone is going to nuke one another either nor have I seen any Arab country claiming that Iran will nuke Arab country x or y.

to tell u the truth
i expected saudis to intervene with full force in yemen
that was the way to show your power
heck its your own backyard and you want to integrate it in their future political union of GCC
how they allowed it is beyond me

You are commenting this way because you are unfamiliar with Yemen and the relations between Yemen and KSA.

I suggest visiting this thread below and read my posts. References, links and sources are attached.

Iran-Backed Rebels Just Sacked Yemen's Presidential Palace

Imagine if we put all our resources and focus our energy on cooperating rather than wasting it on going against each other.
We would become greater than European Union.

The Europeans are laughing at the Middle East right now and look at Middle Easteteners as backward fools that have not learned to live with each other yet. Why whould we be like that, when all the civilizations of the ME are the oldest ones in the world and has the most natural resources?
The potentials are endless if only Iran and Saudi find it in their heart and rational minds to pull all their resources and energy on making the Middle East the economic superpower.

Not sure if the potential is greater than that in the EU. Sure the potential is huge but the mentality and form of government/rule found in most of the ME is a hindrance to that. Honestly speaking many of the current leaders are ready to hurt their own nation and people just to stay in power.

Honestly I don't see ME changing in my life time unless a major conflict emerges and people become wiser at large. It's hard not to be pessimistic.

Actually I think Africa has more natural resources than the Mideast and thankfully we have it better than them lol.

But Africa is an entire continent with 1.2 billion people (soon to reach 2-3 billion considering the insane birth rates and population growth - just look at Nigeria, Uganda etc.) while the ME is just a region in Western Asia. What you cannot buy for money though is location and the ME is the center of the world and sandwiched between Europe, Africa and the remaining Asian continent including bordering major ancient land and sea routes.
 
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Because whole world is not stupid like some genius think tanks here Pakistan will provide Nuclear cover to KSA and will go to any length to defend KSA and the main reason is MAKKAH and Madinah not our love for Royal Family
 
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The Europeans are laughing at the Middle East right now and look at Middle Easteteners as backward fools that have not learned to live with each other yet.

The Ottoman and Safavi Empires after battles created comparatively peaceful Mideast. The collapse of Ottoman empire and rise Wahhabi state created tension with Shias when they attacked sacked Karbala April 1802. The Saudi Wahhabi regime ruling Arabia still continues its anti-Shia policies including funding terrorism against Shias around the world. Saudis need enemies to keep Arabia's population under the rule of their corrupt family.
 
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