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Saudi Arabia is killing the Russian economy in its fight to control oil prices



  • Dec. 24, 2015, 11:54 AM
A year ago, Saudi Oil Minister Ali Naimi made it plain that he didn't care what happened to Russia if oil-producing countries failed to cooperate with Saudi-dominated OPEC on keeping prices high by restricting production.

"We want to tell the world that high efficiency producing countries are the ones that deserve market share," he said, before singling out Russia's West Siberia as a region that wasn't very good at producing competitively priced oil.

Since then Russia's oil-dependent economy has been decimated as the price of oil has plummeted. Here is the chart of the Russian economy from OPEC's most recent report on the state of the global oil market:

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OPEC

Note that Russian GDP was growing until this time last year, when the Saudis signalled that they were going to pump Russia into oblivion.

All year, oil-producing countries have been in a mad race to the bottom. Russia and the US (and a bunch of other countries) refuse to cooperate with OPEC to keep prices high, so Saudi Arabia and OPEC have been furiously pumping cheap, competitively priced oil.

The increased supply has driven down prices. Oil started the year near $55 a barrel and is now nearer $35, as this Bloomberg chart of West Texas Intermediate shows:

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Bloomberg

And oil is going to stay cheap. OPEC said that a barrel of oil won't be worth $100 until after 2040, in an in-depth report on long-term energy trends.

Cheap oil isn't good for the House of Saud either, but the Saudis have more money and cheaper oil than the Russians. So pain for the Saudis is agony for the Russians. The theory is that the Saudis are trying to force Russia into OPEC, according to Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of The Telegraph:

Kremlin officials suspect that the aim of Saudi policy is to force Russia to the negotiating table, compelling it join Opec in a super-cartel controlling half the world’s production.

The Russians aren't having it, the CEO of Rosneft told the Financial Times earlier this year. President Putin, of course, famously does not like to be forced to do anything, so it's unclear why the Saudis thought this tactic would work.

Reuters/Itar-Tass/Presidential Press ServiceIt's a double-edged sword, of course.

The other factor is the Americans.

Both Russia and the Saudis would prefer it if the US's shale-oil fields went out of business. That would leave the growing Chinese market open for Russia to expand its market share there. (The Russian conspiracy theory is that the Saudis want Russia to restrict supplies only because it will curb Russia's entry into China, leaving China open for the Saudis.)

No matter how you arrange all these moving parts, the upshot is that both Saudi Arabia and Russia are bearing the pain now in the hopes of keeping the price so low that it drives the US sites out of business later, according to Quartz:

They have argued that their enormous cash reserves will allow them to weather any price for as long as it takes to finally force upstart US shale drillers to turn off their spigots.

The war has cost Russians dearly. This OPEC chart of Russian monthly unemployment (at right) shows percentage changes.

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OPEC

Russia has responded not by laying people off — at 5.5%, unemployment is technically quite low — but by reducing wages and work hours. These OPEC charts of sales and production show how Russians have basically stopped making things, and stopped shopping, as much as possible:

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OPEC
Saudi Arabia is killing the Russian economy in its fight to control oil prices - Business Insider
 
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oil won't reach $100 til 2040 :rofl:

can anyone seriously take this cartel serious.
 
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Russia is a high tech country. Russia's economy is generated by high tech and heavy industry. Oil is insignificant to Russia.
 
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Russia is a high tech country. Russia's economy is generated by high tech and heavy industry. Oil is insignificant to Russia.


nope

OEC - Russia (RUS) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners


Russia is a gas station. The customers are reaping cheap gas now :D

you also have Russia fighting with Saudi Arabia for market share in Europe!! each giving discounts off of BRENT by like $3 to $6 dollars to undercut one another

Saudi Arabia's Oil War With Russia - Bloomberg View
 
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Of all the industries, production of aluminium requires the most energy. The world should take advantage of low oil and consequently energy prices and produce all the aluminium for the next 20 years within the next two years. Oil prices will go back up again and we will have lots of aluminium as well. Problem solved.
 
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Of all the industries, production of aluminium requires the most energy. The world should take advantage of low oil and consequently energy prices and produce all the aluminium for the next 20 years within the next two years. Oil prices will go back up again and we will have lots of aluminium as well. Problem solved.


Yes China is expanding production of aluminium. In absolute volume, November increase 38% vs 2014 average, it also represents 55% of world total output as compared to 47% last year. Onshore aluminium inventory (reserves, stockpile) is on rapid rise.

 
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Well, at least Russia with its army of engineers, scientists and its rich history of literature, music and politics in addition to a super large land mass with lots of natural resources has some hope. Saudi Arabia by comparison, is a desert that has only oil and when that becomes irrelevant, then its population will collapse. By collapse I mean, there will be a period of mass starvation followed by reduction of population to 5% of its current level since this is the level which that land can sustain without oil.
 
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Russia is a high tech country. Russia's economy is generated by high tech and heavy industry. Oil is insignificant to Russia.

Yes ,high tech ,but with bad after sales reputation that holds back Russia.
 
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China is now actually expanding production of aluminium in absolute volume (November increase 38% vs 2014 average), also represents 55% of world total output as compared to 47% last year.

World Aluminium — Primary Aluminium Production
http://minerals.usgs.gov/minerals/pubs/commodity/aluminum/mcs-2015-alumi.pdf
Thats very good and prudent of them. Since they figured out that aluminum can be produced from its ore using lots of electricity, in 1886, now we know what to do when we have too much electricity.
 
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Thats very good and prudent of them. Since they figured out that aluminum can be produced from its ore using lots of electricity, in 1886, now we know what to do when we have too much electricity.


Well oil isn't a major source of electricity so oil price has limited and indirect influence on it.

On topic, I cannot forecast on on oil price, but on bullish side China imports will likely maintain current momentum i.e. continue to increase imports of crude (not refined, which will drop). Here is some analysis for your reference:
http://news.yahoo.com/china-crude-oil-imports-vital-130748067.html

Though imports will expand however there will be more supplies in the market from Russia, post-sanction Iran, a recovering Iraq, and Venezuela, etc. So it's real hard to predict price trend.

 
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Well oil isn't a major source of electricity so oil price has limited and indirect influence on it.

On topic, I cannot forecast on on oil price but China imports will likely maintain current momentum i.e. continue to increase imports of crude (not refined, which will drop). Here is one analysis for your reference: China’s Crude Oil Imports Are Vital for Crude Oil Market in 2016 - Yahoo News
I was only joking. About crude oil prices we cant do much. Economy doesnt control the production of raw materials, production of raw materials control the economy. If there is shortage of basic resources that go into the economy then the economy will slow down. Water shortages caused economic slow down in past. If there are too much raw resources then economy will speed up. When europeans sourced raw materials from their new colonies, european economies went through the roof.
 
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The text of the article are scarier than its charts. Unemployment went from 5.1% to 5.5%? Industrial production is down by 3%?

That's it?
 
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