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Saudi Arabia in talks to lease Pak farmland

If only Pakistan uses the same land for produce and export of value-added-goods(in this case food) the gain will be several times higher. I wonder how the concerned leaders missed this and gave a lease of just land for n years.


Relevant quote from above link by Ruag:
Saudi Arabia has signed a deal for 500,000 hectares in Tanzania.

If one hectare can feed 50 people for an year, then this alone is enough for them(for one commodity(wheat?)).
 
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Hi,

Thankyou Jamshed about your comments---and I am surprised at the reaction of others. Gentlemen and ladies---this is saudi arabia that we are talking about---same SA that gave us free gas for 7---8 years after the nukes.

Pakistan must get the saudis hooked up in this mega project---once the investment starts pouring in---the interests become the same. Once you have the same interests, then you have the same goals. Once you have similiar goals, then you find other ways to benefit from each other. Once this thing gets started, there will be other things that wil come up.

Pakistan desperately needs a major power player in the world to invest in pakistan.

THE SAUDIS CAN'T HARM US ANYMORE THAN WE DO TO OURSELVES.
 
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thnx mastan
thats what i am been tellin these ppls because i think they should also look on other forums and media about this topic yesterday i seen kamran khan who is well know crtic on govt he was also praising this project because land will be the barren land so no body will have to sell its own land for this and second it will bring employment to at least 1 million ppls from 1 million acres and if they lease 7 million acres which is the govt estimate that they will lease it will bring food and shelter to atleast 7 million ppls plus investment .
somebody here said that saudi is not that gud in agriculture den how can it cultivate this land if we having experience of 1000 years cant do dat so brother keep thing in mind that they are just going to bring western methods to and technology they are not the one who are inventors of that technology but just bringing it into country
 
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Hi,

If saudia is not good at agriculture---then let them try and invest---if they fail---then we will get developed land with machinery---and if they succeed---God bless them---we will benefit as well.
 
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Guys problem is not with leasing land but is with terms on which it is going to be leased.
Our leaders’ voluntary submission to colonisation

Shireen M Mazari

First there has been the threat to the ordinary citizen of an effective occupation of Pakistan by the US, especially for those living in what is becoming a threateningly close proximity to the droves of Americans arriving in form or another. Before the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was given orders to the contrary, press reports of August 6 show that its spokesman, Mr Basit, on August 5, at the Karachi Press Club, had already given out the fact of the 1,000 marines coming for the protection of the new, imperial US embassy in Islamabad.

Now we are seeing houses being barricaded for US personnel all across the capital and we know of the 300 plus ‘military trainers’ already ensconced in Tarbela. In addition we have the notorious Blackwater (now hiding under a new label, Xe Worldwide) and the rather obvious CIA front-company, Creative Associates International Inc (CAII), operating not only in Peshawar but now in Islamabad also it transpires – and a recent reflection of this was the sealing off of the road in Super Market last week right in front of a school! Whatever the US embassy gives out or the terrified Pakistani leadership echoes, the reality is that there is a questionable and increasingly threatening US armed presence in Pakistan and this may be augmented soon with an ISAF/NATO presence. Incidentally, to add to the suspicions of the US presence, reports are coming in of around 3,000 Hummer vehicles, fully loaded, awaiting transportation from Port Qasim.

Will some of these go to the Pentagon’s assassination squads, who may take up residence in some off the barricaded Islamabad houses and with whom the present US commander in Afghanistan was directly associated? Ordinary officials at Pakistani airports have also been muttering their concerns over chartered flights flying in Americans whose entry is not recorded – even the flight crews are not checked for visas and so there is now no record-keeping of exactly how many Americans are coning into or going out of Pakistan. Incidentally the CAII’s Craig Davis who was deported has now returned to Peshawar! And let us not be fooled by the cry that numbers reflect friendship since we know what numbers meant to Soviet satellites.

Now another threat, in the making for some time, is becoming more overt. Pakistan’s precious and fertile agricultural land is up for grabs to the highest foreign bidder. Pakistan is not alone in being targeted thus by rich countries with little or no food resources. The UN has already condemned this purchase of agricultural land as a form of neo-colonialism. Over the past five years in a hardly-noticed wave of investment, rich agricultural land and forests in poor countries are being snapped up by buyers from cash-rich countries. Leading this grab of poor country resources are the rapidly industrialising states and the oil-rich countries who have, between 2006-2009, either directly through governments or through sovereign wealth funds and companies, already grabbed or are in the process of grabbing between 37 to 49 million acres of developing countries’ farmland (a July 2009 report by Robert Schubert of Food and Water Watch).

Wealthy countries like Japan and South Korea are acquiring farmlands abroad for food security while oil-rich countries are seeking cheap water and cultivated crops to be shipped home. The land buyers from the oil-rich arid countries are seeking water as much as land because by buying or leasing land with sufficient water, they can divert their own domestic irrigation water to municipal water supplies.

The foreign land purchases destabilise food security since land given to foreign investors cannot be used to produce food for local communities – the foreign investors’ intent being to take the food back to their own food-scarce countries. Many of the land purchases comprise tens of thousands of acres which are then turned into single-crop farms – and these dwarf the small-scale farms common in the developing world, where nearly nine out of ten farms (85 per cent) are less than five acres. Such land grabs have now been recognised as harming the local communities by dislodging smallholder farmers, aggravating rural poverty and food insecurity.

With Gulf countries importing 60 per cent of their food on average, Saudi Arabia and the UAE are leading the investments into Asia and Africa to secure supplies of cereals, meat and vegetables. The rise in demand for food imports for the GCC comes at a time when exportable agricultural surplus worldwide has declined.

How does all this impact Pakistan? Pakistan has rich agricultural land and adequate water although the latter’s distribution has been subject to political machinations. There has also been a seemingly deliberate effort by successive ruling elites to undermine the country’s agricultural potential and nowhere is this more brazenly evident than at present with power outages preventing crucial water supply through tubewells; and many rich lands being converted into housing colonies! Then we have had artificially created sugar and wheat shortages – ‘artificial’ because for the last few years our wheat and sugarcane crops have been bountiful. As for the wonderful local fruit, that is also being diverted to feed external populations through exports that are not only depriving the locals of their land’s bounty but also raising local prices so only the rich elite can consume what is left.

Now it has come out that we are selling land to the Gulf states, thereby undermining our local agriculture further. Abraaj Capital and other UAE entities have acquired 800,000 acres of farmland in Pakistan (we have learnt no lessons from the sale of the KESC and the PTCL). Qatar Livestock is investing $1 billion in corporate farms in Pakistan. But all this produce will be taken out, so the argument that this foreign investment will bring in new technologies into our agricultural sector does not hold. In any case, one does not have to sell one’s land to foreign forces to acquire new technology which is available in the open market and the government can help local farmers acquire it.

Not surprisingly, the Gulf countries are pleased with Pakistan’s rulers bending over backwards to accommodate their needs at the expense of the ordinary Pakistani – for none of the food produced on these lands will be available cheaply for Pakistanis; it will go to feed the Gulf populations. Gulf countries are happy because their imported food bill will cost 20-25 per cent less, positively impacting on their present high inflation rate. We may import this food from them for a price, just as our government has now decided to import sugar from the UAE. Of course the UAE itself imports sugar so the absurdity should be abundantly clear to all, including our profiteers!

In the visibly servile mindset of our leaders, instead of offering incentives on a similar scale to local farmers, Islamabad is offering legal and tax concessions, with legislative cover, to foreign investors in the form of specialised agricultural and livestock ‘free zones’ and may also introduce legislation to exempt such investors from government-imposed tax bans. The most worrisome aspect of such wheeling-dealing is the government’s decision to develop a new security force of 100,000 men spread across the four provinces to ensure stability of the Arab investments. This will cost the Pakistani state around $2 billion in terms of training and salaries and the real fear is that this force will be used to forcibly eject local small farmers from their lands. Concerns have been further heightened because no labour laws will be applicable to corporate agricultural companies and there will be no sales tax or customs duties on import of agricultural machinery by these investors. Nor will their dividends be taxed and 100 per cent remittances of capital and profits will be permitted. So where is there even an iota of advantage for the ordinary Pakistani as opposed to the rulers?

With the US increasingly occupying Pakistan with their covert and overt armed presence, and the Gulf states taking over our rich agricultural lands our rulers are voluntarily making us a colony again – as we were under the British who used our men to fight their wars and our cheap labour to ship the finished produce back to Britain! Have we come full circle after 62 years of our creation?
(Courtesy The News)
 
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It is not a new thing that Pakistan has been the victim of conspiracies. Foreign as well as internal defectives have destroyed this country. Another era of destruction is starting according to my thinking. My instincts are 99% right. I strongly believe that by giving 5 lac acres of land to Saudia Zardari is filling his pockets but selling our mother land. Saudia despite of being a Muslim country. Saudia despite of being the start of final form of Islam. Saudia despite of being the birth place of our beloved Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him). Saudia despite of being our friend is an American puppet. USA will do a lot of damage to us through Saudia. It is a conspiracy. I can see through the matrix. Its a conspiracy.

We will be economic slaves of Arabs. USA will pressurize Saudia on something and Saudia will do something wrong against Pakistan.

Its a political as well as economical mistake.
 
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DUBAI: Saudi Arabia is in talks with Pakistan to lease an area of farmland nearly twice the size of Hong Kong in a bid to ensure food security, said an official from Pakistan’s Agriculture Ministry on Tuesday.

Gulf Arab states – heavily reliant on food imports and spurred on by a spike in prices of basic commodities – have raced to buy farmland in developing nations to guarantee supplies.

“Over the last few weeks, the Saudi government has been in talks with us to lease 500,000 acres of farmland, and we are currently in the process of locating which land we could give them,” said Tauqir Ahmad Faiq, regional secretary at the ministry of agriculture, in an interview.

In April, Pakistan said it would offer foreign investors 1 million acres of farmland for lease or sale, and deploy special security forces to protect it.

“The land we will provide Saudi Arabia will be divided among the four provinces and they will be using it to grow a variety of produce such as wheat, fruits and vegetables,” said Faiq over the telephone from Lahore.

“We are expecting a Saudi delegation to arrive after Ramzan to further discuss the deal and see the land, but there is no set date when the deal will be signed.”

Saudi Arabia, which consumes 2.6 million tonnes of wheat a year, is abandoning a project to produce the grain domestically as water supplies run dry. reuters

Devided between 4 provinces hay, no thanks keep it to punjab and sindh we dont want sauids or their money in our land, i say let them starve to death opressive and illerate and ignorant people.
 
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In return Pakistan also should buy million acre land both in Saudi arabia and UAE to ensure energy security for Pakistan.
 
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Scheme aimed at food autarky: corporate farming to bring barren lands under plough: Kaira
ABDUL RASHEED AZAD
ISLAMABAD (September 13 2009): Minister for Information and Broadcasting, Qamar Zaman Kaira, has said that the idea of corporate farming in Pakistan is intended to bring under cultivation millions of hectares barren land, and added that it would ensure food security and stabilise the national economy.

Talking to journalists here on Saturday, accompanied by Minister for Food and Agriculture Nazar Muhammad Gondal, he dispelled the notion that Pakistan's land was being sold to foreign companies. He said that the plan was to bring foreign investment in agriculture sector. Defending his stance, he said that the same was being practised in other important fields like oil and gas, minerals and mine exploration, etc.

"A number of companies are already working in different areas of Pakistan who have invested for that, but in case of corporate farming, we are not selling our strategic interests. How come that people's government could go against the interests of the country?" he remarked.

He said that President Asif Ali Zardari's visits to different countries aimed at promoting trade and investment especially in the agricultural sector. He said the President during his visit to China had discussed various options to boost Pakistan's agri sector including transfer of latest technology in the field.

Kaira said there is no shortage of wheat or other related products as the country is in a position to export it but the government, under its food security plan, was trying to better its wheat reserves. He said the policies of the government would also help attain wheat bumper crop next year.

He said all-out efforts were being made to better the lot of the people and to bring improvement in their purchasing power. He said that Sasta Bazaars were a good option to facilitate people but the main focus was to improve buying power of the masses.

I hope this article will answer ur questions
 
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i hope it wil be barren land not the land which is already being cultivated and if it is true that it will be barren land then this will be gr8 for country
 
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to hell with arabs i don't wanna see them in my country even all saudi dead by hanger.they will abuse us every time.
 
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Awaaz:

Control your language! Consider this your last warning.
 
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My main worry is ‘Water’. Pakistan is short of water as it is. I am afraid that any land leased for agricultural use will either consume water from our canal irrigation net work or drill tube wells using electricity which is also in short supply. Also that Saudi investors will use their considerable political clout to get preferential treatment leaving non influential Pakistani small land holders to suffer. Therefore even though leasing land to foreigners is no different from letting foreigners invest in industrial units or buying up real estate; I am dead against it.

IMO we should only agree to such an arrangement if Saudis install their own electricity generation and drill new tube wells for irrigation. And that Pakistan should have first option to purchase the produce at the international prices.
 
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Leasing agriculture land to saudis will be a fatal mistake for Pakistan

As salam o alikum

I think we should Lease the land to Saudi arabia , Saudi arabia is our second home , dont have to worry about saudies !!!

Inshallah corporate farming will emerge in Pakistan and for sure its gona bring more and more Technalogical advancements in our agricultural sector.
Our irrigation system would be optimized dams would be made and we would get alot of benefits in agri science and agri business.

Pakistan leasing the land to saudi arabia means benefit for both and we its a gesture of how close we are .

Long live Saudi -Pak brotherhood

Pakistan zindabad:pakistan:
 
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Mr. Awaaz is being handed a 5 day ban for trolling and racism. And for arguing with moderator after a fair warning has been extended to him. There is nothing logical, responsible or honorable about such blatant racism against your own countrymen. This is a Pakistani military forum, and like the Pakistan military, we celebrate ourselves on our diversity but are proud of our unity. I being a non-punjabi myself am disgusted by the dirty and vulgar attitude displayed by ethnic fascists in our midst who care nothing of our great country and its many people.

I'm being lax by extending a temporary ban this time as per Mr. Bezerk's suggestion, but if anyone sees Mr. Awaaz spewing unreasoning hate against any Pakistani ethnic group, or indulging in more off topic BS, then there is no question that he'll be banned in a second, permanently.

Carry on gentlemen.
 
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