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Saudi Arabia can save Denel!

Don't see the point. We don't lack partners and it is a state owned company so foreigners will never be allowed to be majority stakeholders. We have already signed quite a few deals with South Africa and Denel and work relatively closely with them.

$240-million Al-Kharj (KSA) facility to produce top-class artillery
RIYADH: South African President Jacob Zuma, who was on a one-day state visit to Riyadh on Sunday, opened a projectiles factory along with Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Both were taken on a tour by Mohamed Al-Mady, head of Saudi Military Industries Corporation. He briefed the visitors on the services and facilities at the new complex.
The complex features nine industrial buildings, each allocated to a specific productivity, such as processing, packaging, assembly and filling, destructive testing and nondestructive testing, heat and surface treatments.
The complex produces military projectiles ranging from shells of medium caliber such as mortar rounds (60mm, 81mm 120mm), artillery shells (105mm and 155mm) and heavy shells such as aircraft bombs weighing from 500 pounds to 2,000 pounds.

Al-Mady said the SR900 million Saudi Military Industries Corporation is a licensed company, which will be operating in alliance with South Africa-based Rheinmetall Denel Munition.
The facility is expected to produce 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar projectiles a day, Al-Mady said, adding that this plant would be managed by 130 engineers and operators.
South Africa-based RDM specializes in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-caliber ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems as well as plant engineering.

http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/902326

South African defence company partners Saudi Arabian counterpart in new factory
South African defence company Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM) has helped set up a munitions manufacturing plant in Saudi Arabia in a venture with that country's Military Industries Corporation (MIC), the Saudi Press Agency has reported. According to MIC head Mohammad Almadhi, the establishment of the plant cost some $240-million and it was built under license from, and with the assistance of, RDM. The new factory was opened on March 27 by South African President Jacob Zuma and by Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz. (Prince Mohammad is also his country's Second Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and chairperson of the board of directors of the MIC). The facility is located at Al-Kharj, in central Saudi Arabia, south of the capital, Riyadh.

The plant will manufacture 60 mm, 81 mm and 120 mm mortar bombs, 105 mm and 155 mm artillery shells and aircraft bombs ranging from 226 kg (500 lb) to 907 kg (2000 lb). It is composed of nine industrial buildings, each with its own specific function, including heat treatment and surface treatment, assembly and filling, processing, packaging and destructive and nondestructive testing. According to Almadhi, the factory has a production capacity of 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar bombs a day. It will be staffed by 130 engineers and operators. He further noted that his company was now able to make many different defence products.

RDM is a joint venture between German defence group Rheinmetall Waffe Munition and South African State-owned defence industrial group Denel and was created in 2008. Rheinmetall holds 51% of RDM and Denel the remaining 49%. RDM describes itself on its website as a company that "specialises in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-calibre ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems, as well as plant engineering". The Middle East is one of its target markets.

Zuma was in Saudi Arabia on March 27 and 28 on a State visit. The aim of the visit was to strengthen political and economic ties between the two countries, including increasing trade and investment.
Consequnetly, one of the members of his delegation was Trade and Industry Minister Dr Rob Davies.

The defence industry was one of the sectors that received special attention. Other sectors highlighted by the South African delegation included agricultural products, agroprocessed goods and services, manufacturing and mineral beneficiation. The involvement of South African companies in construction and engineering in infrastructure development in Saudi Arabia, under the Saudi National Transformation Plan, was also stressed.

"We are very pleased that this State visit will ensure, among other things, continued Saudi private-sector investment in our country's renewable-energy sector in support of the National Development Plan; the South African petrochemicals sector; banking and finance; and tourism infrastructure, as well as Saudi participation as a maritime State in our Operation Phakisa," affirmed Zuma. During his visit he also addressed a meeting of high-level South African and Saudi business leaders. He urged them to set up an entity to promote business-to-business cooperation between the two countries, with the aim of increasing Saudi investment in South Africa and South African exports to Saudi Arabia.

https://www.engineeringnews.co.za/a...arabian-counterpart-in-new-factory-2016-04-22


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But sure if they are open to sell stakes in some of its divisions it could be worth contemplating it.

Paramount Group should absorb Denel or create a new joint company if Denel is at risk of closure.
 
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@The SC

Do you know of any public cooperation with Denel since those deals (3 year old) that I posted about in post 16 were signed and the few others before? I would be surprised if there had not been more cooperation in the past 3 years.

From late last year:

BUSINESS NEWS
NOVEMBER 8, 2018 / 10:34 AM / 8 MONTHS AGO

Exclusive: Saudi makes $1 billion bid for partnership with South Africa defense group Denel

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...outh-africa-defense-group-denel-idUSKCN1ND14Q

WORLD NEWS
OCTOBER 4, 2018 / 12:53 PM / 9 MONTHS AGO

Exclusive: Saudis seek wide-ranging deals with South African arms firms

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-with-south-african-arms-firms-idUSKCN1ME180
 
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@The SC

Do you know of any public cooperation with Denel since those deals (3 year old) that I posted about in post 16 were signed and the few others before? I would be surprised if there had not been more cooperation in the past 3 years.

From late last year:

BUSINESS NEWS
NOVEMBER 8, 2018 / 10:34 AM / 8 MONTHS AGO

Exclusive: Saudi makes $1 billion bid for partnership with South Africa defense group Denel

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...outh-africa-defense-group-denel-idUSKCN1ND14Q

WORLD NEWS
OCTOBER 4, 2018 / 12:53 PM / 9 MONTHS AGO

Exclusive: Saudis seek wide-ranging deals with South African arms firms

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...s-with-south-african-arms-firms-idUSKCN1ME180
Last we've heard.. there are many negotiations still going on with a lot of South African defence firms.. So we might soon start hearing about deals..It is also possible that Saudi Arabia does not want to announce military deals at this moment..
 
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@denel you must be sad somewhere inside. What a history, what a story. And what a sad end it seems to be. If there is anyway part of the legacy could continue through Pakistan, it would be great.

I know that Pak would be interested in the SPGs for sure. If Pak could buy the copyrights, that may be a sweet deal.

I would have loved to see the light tank series in Pak use as it is ideal for the desert operating conditions that are unique to Pak. That anti-material sniper rifle also looks well designed. Not to mention the endless series of MRAPs.

@denel if you know the people selling the A-darter, do change the sales reps, they are horrid and pushing away customers.
 
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@denel you must be sad somewhere inside. What a history, what a story. And what a sad end it seems to be. If there is anyway part of the legacy could continue through Pakistan, it would be great.

I know that Pak would be interested in the SPGs for sure. If Pak could buy the copyrights, that may be a sweet deal.

I would have loved to see the light tank series in Pak use as it is ideal for the desert operating conditions that are unique to Pak. That anti-material sniper rifle also looks well designed. Not to mention the endless series of MRAPs.

@denel if you know the people selling the A-darter, do change the sales reps, they are horrid and pushing away customers.
very much so. that is why i left as well. the political leadership then the bastards Guptas who like parasites came here and stole everything. But all is not lost, Paramount and others have taken the work over plus companies like Reutech which are continuing on. Unfortunately they failed and continue to fail to evolve with times. Most people in other companies are from Denel who branched out and setting the stage. I am confident we may see Paramount move into the aeronautical side very soon - they have already done so with a trainer.

I was dead set against doing any deals with European consortiums as they are pigs and indians who are just vultures waiting to take you apart for free.

Waiting for ZUma to be locked up and fed curry for his life with his bindian partners/
 
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Don't see the point. We don't lack partners and it is a state owned company so foreigners will never be allowed to be majority stakeholders. We have already signed quite a few deals with South Africa and Denel and work relatively closely with them.

$240-million Al-Kharj (KSA) facility to produce top-class artillery
RIYADH: South African President Jacob Zuma, who was on a one-day state visit to Riyadh on Sunday, opened a projectiles factory along with Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.
Both were taken on a tour by Mohamed Al-Mady, head of Saudi Military Industries Corporation. He briefed the visitors on the services and facilities at the new complex.
The complex features nine industrial buildings, each allocated to a specific productivity, such as processing, packaging, assembly and filling, destructive testing and nondestructive testing, heat and surface treatments.
The complex produces military projectiles ranging from shells of medium caliber such as mortar rounds (60mm, 81mm 120mm), artillery shells (105mm and 155mm) and heavy shells such as aircraft bombs weighing from 500 pounds to 2,000 pounds.

Al-Mady said the SR900 million Saudi Military Industries Corporation is a licensed company, which will be operating in alliance with South Africa-based Rheinmetall Denel Munition.
The facility is expected to produce 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar projectiles a day, Al-Mady said, adding that this plant would be managed by 130 engineers and operators.
South Africa-based RDM specializes in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-caliber ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems as well as plant engineering.

http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/902326

South African defence company partners Saudi Arabian counterpart in new factory
South African defence company Rheinmetall Denel Munition (RDM) has helped set up a munitions manufacturing plant in Saudi Arabia in a venture with that country's Military Industries Corporation (MIC), the Saudi Press Agency has reported. According to MIC head Mohammad Almadhi, the establishment of the plant cost some $240-million and it was built under license from, and with the assistance of, RDM. The new factory was opened on March 27 by South African President Jacob Zuma and by Saudi Deputy Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman bin Abdulaziz. (Prince Mohammad is also his country's Second Deputy Prime Minister, Minister of Defence and chairperson of the board of directors of the MIC). The facility is located at Al-Kharj, in central Saudi Arabia, south of the capital, Riyadh.

The plant will manufacture 60 mm, 81 mm and 120 mm mortar bombs, 105 mm and 155 mm artillery shells and aircraft bombs ranging from 226 kg (500 lb) to 907 kg (2000 lb). It is composed of nine industrial buildings, each with its own specific function, including heat treatment and surface treatment, assembly and filling, processing, packaging and destructive and nondestructive testing. According to Almadhi, the factory has a production capacity of 300 artillery shells or 600 mortar bombs a day. It will be staffed by 130 engineers and operators. He further noted that his company was now able to make many different defence products.

RDM is a joint venture between German defence group Rheinmetall Waffe Munition and South African State-owned defence industrial group Denel and was created in 2008. Rheinmetall holds 51% of RDM and Denel the remaining 49%. RDM describes itself on its website as a company that "specialises in the development, design and manufacture of large- and medium-calibre ammunition families and is a world leader in the field of artillery, mortar and infantry systems, as well as plant engineering". The Middle East is one of its target markets.

Zuma was in Saudi Arabia on March 27 and 28 on a State visit. The aim of the visit was to strengthen political and economic ties between the two countries, including increasing trade and investment.
Consequnetly, one of the members of his delegation was Trade and Industry Minister Dr Rob Davies.

The defence industry was one of the sectors that received special attention. Other sectors highlighted by the South African delegation included agricultural products, agroprocessed goods and services, manufacturing and mineral beneficiation. The involvement of South African companies in construction and engineering in infrastructure development in Saudi Arabia, under the Saudi National Transformation Plan, was also stressed.

"We are very pleased that this State visit will ensure, among other things, continued Saudi private-sector investment in our country's renewable-energy sector in support of the National Development Plan; the South African petrochemicals sector; banking and finance; and tourism infrastructure, as well as Saudi participation as a maritime State in our Operation Phakisa," affirmed Zuma. During his visit he also addressed a meeting of high-level South African and Saudi business leaders. He urged them to set up an entity to promote business-to-business cooperation between the two countries, with the aim of increasing Saudi investment in South Africa and South African exports to Saudi Arabia.

https://www.engineeringnews.co.za/a...arabian-counterpart-in-new-factory-2016-04-22


2yweecp.jpg


9kfACGf.jpg


dxczll.jpg


16gcwpi.jpg


zX95Iyh.jpg


fBQ66BW.jpg


But sure if they are open to sell stakes in some of its divisions it could be worth contemplating it.

Paramount Group should absorb Denel or create a new joint company if Denel is at risk of closure.
very old news. i am hoping for more works in progress.
 
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Yes, 3 years old news.

Let us hope so but what is your take on this news?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/south-africas-denel-asks-for-cash-injection-rebuffs-saudi-bid.626237/

Looks like Denel is not interested in any outside injection of money to the company if those outside investors want some kind of influence which to me seems logical and normal.
Saudi arabia should really restart production of Rooivalk 2 with Denel. This could be similar to what Saudi Arabia and Ukraine did with the AN-132.
 
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Hmmm.. Aircraft production included?

A lot of what is signed usually, that involves KSA, is clouded in secrecy (take a look at our ballistic missile defense) but anything else would surprise me given the cooperation with leading aircraft producers.


For starters it was mentioned that the deal with Paramount will see development of technologies and capabilities across the land, sea and air domains, as well as system integration, in support of Vision 2030, Saudi Arabia’s economic development plan, which sets the objective of increasing the domestic share of military equipment expenditure to 50% by 2030.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featur...aramount-sign-defence-co-operation-agreement/

https://thearabweekly.com/saudi-state-defence-firm-pens-deal-south-africas-paramount

So quite big news.
 
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A lot of what is signed usually, that involves KSA, is clouded in secrecy (take a look at our ballistic missile defense) but anything else would surprise me given the cooperation with leading aircraft producers.


For starters it was mentioned that the deal with Paramount will see development of technologies and capabilities across the land, sea and air domains, as well as system integration, in support of Vision 2030, Saudi Arabia’s economic development plan, which sets the objective of increasing the domestic share of military equipment expenditure to 50% by 2030.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featur...aramount-sign-defence-co-operation-agreement/

https://thearabweekly.com/saudi-state-defence-firm-pens-deal-south-africas-paramount

So quite big news.
Yes this is big news; remember Paramount has been there for years and making a lot of inroads with JVs in mineproof vehicles and other areas. Denel is finished but all the key brains left and formed Paramount. Note for TOT is in name only; most of the fabrication is still done here and sent as KDKs for setting them up.
 
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