Sartaj Aziz on Shimla Agreement - No longer relevant - to solve Kashmir "bilaterally"

[Zarvan]

Kashmir was never within reach , but now is way beyond Pakistan's grasp.

We would see

 

[VkdIndian]

The problem is that, the Establishment, has made it a life and death issue, by indoctrination of generations since 1947. They have made it bigger than what actually it is.

They also sold the many outrageous ideas, that we will snatch it from India, even if we have to eat grass. And that one Muslim soldier is better than 10 Hindu ones. Sadly people bought all these stupid theories.

This has ensured one thing for sure - chilled life for the Establishment and their continued relevance in the eyes of awam. Nation has definitely reached a stage, where they are about to start eating grass.

 

[Jaeger]

Yes, we can get obliterated but so would you. We accept our deaths do you accept a nuclear holocaust? It would be end of life of face of the earth.

How do you win Kashmir, once you are all dead ? And isn't that your only objective in this war ?

You think just because you have been told a "story" of a life after death, you are not scared of death but we are?

We will accept whatever cost it takes, not to give you even an inch of our land.

So, you can come whenever you want, but weather in life or in death you will never get Kashmir.

 

[surmabhopali]

Give us a scenario, where and how Pakistan is able to win a war against India without being obliterated in the process ?

He is keyboard warrior , he will win at any cost .

 

[maithil]

Good old Sartaj Aziz.. Used to be India hawk in otherwise okay Nawaz kitchen cabinet. It's good to see that he has lived long enough to see current Pakistan. May he live for another 10 years and see more depth to which his country is being pushed by his Army. We just need to wait and watch.

 

[Zarvan]

How do you win Kashmir, once you are all dead ? And isn't that your only objective in this war ?

You think just because you have been told a "story" of a life after death, you are not scared of death but we are?

We will accept whatever cost it takes, not to give you even an inch of our land.

So, you can come whenever you want, but weather in life or in death you will never get Kashmir.

I said either we win or no one lives. Read carefully.

 

[Jaeger]

I said either we win or no one lives. Read carefully.

Well here are the facts.

You are :

6 times smaller than us in population.
4 times smaller than us in land area.
Your economy is 11 times smaller than ours.
You defence budget is 11 times smaller than ours.
Yields of your nuclear weapons are smaller than ours.
You do not have Anti missile shield like we do.
You do not have SSBNs like we do, which gives us an assured second strike capability.

So the question of you winning a nuclear war against India or a conventional war against India does not exist.

So the fact here is, it is either WE win(whether conventional or nuclear) or we both loose and no one lives.

But either way you will not end up with Kashmir.

So kindly explain the logic behind your initial statement, where you stated, that you can win Kashmir from India militarily.

 

[IceCold]

War was, is and always will be the only solution

Do you believe any military leadership current, previous and even future one capable of waging a war against India to take back Kashmir?
Bajwa sab had already buried the hatchet. This current psycho is more interested towards settling his score with Khan rather then doing his job. Any future leadership from the current corp commander wouldn't be any better either. PA needs a complete overhaul starting with accountability.

 

[Skimming]

We can make deals with China, they too can get more land from Kashmir dispute than just Aksai Chin.

First make CPEC functional. Then you may think of other options.

@TopGun786

 

[TopGun786]

First make CPEC functional. Then you may think of other options.

@TopGun786

We will.