Sarkozy challenges Turkey to face its history
- Thread starter RedBeard
- Start date
pmukherjee
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Mar 8, 2009
- Messages
- 2,089
- Reaction score
- 0
This is really no way to treat a fellow NATO ally. There are things that happened in the past the nobody wishes to talk about. As they say, 'let sleeping dogs lie'. Every one has skeletons in his cupboard.
A1Kaid
PDF THINK TANK: ANALYST
- Joined
- Oct 20, 2008
- Messages
- 9,667
- Reaction score
- 8
- Country
- Location
He is a Hungarian Jew a true French President wouldn't make these remarks. Did Pres. Chirac Jacques ever make such remarks? Sarkozy has vested interested in the Armenian "genocide" issue because for one he may actually personally believe it and Jewish interests groups forcing him to publicly be outspoken of this. Ever since the rift between Turkiye and Israel Jewish owned media have turned against Turkiye just as they turned against Germany in WWI.
TrMhMt
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Oct 10, 2009
- Messages
- 2,242
- Reaction score
- 0
- Country
- Location
Ohhh Realllyyy ??
I am a Kurdish and Turkiye doesn't kill kurdish people. Turkiye kills half armenian/kurdish militants of terrorist pkk. Turkiye is murderer nation? What kind of propaganda do you get daily? If you wanna know who is real murderer look at your history. During ww1 your grand fathers were killing my grands support of Russia.
Your grands were real chickens coz they were killing unarmed civilians who were mostly women and children ... My grandfather was eye witness so your lies don't make a sense for us. However we have seen who is murderer during karabag war one more time. You have murdered Azerbaijan Turks in cold blood ....
Keep your lies in you coz nobody believes it here !!!
Azatavrear
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Aug 17, 2010
- Messages
- 384
- Reaction score
- 0
Armenia Sends Earthquake Relief Aid To Turkey.
YEREVAN -- Armenia says it will send a planeload of humanitarian aid to the survivors of a powerful earthquake in southeastern Turkey that killed more than 500 people and left thousands of others homeless, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.
The Armenian Emergency Situations Ministry announced that a transport plane will deliver 40 tons of tents, sleeping bags, blankets, and other aid to the western Turkish city of Izmir on October 28.
Full article at
Armenia Sends Earthquake Relief Aid To Turkey
YEREVAN -- Armenia says it will send a planeload of humanitarian aid to the survivors of a powerful earthquake in southeastern Turkey that killed more than 500 people and left thousands of others homeless, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.
The Armenian Emergency Situations Ministry announced that a transport plane will deliver 40 tons of tents, sleeping bags, blankets, and other aid to the western Turkish city of Izmir on October 28.
Full article at
Armenia Sends Earthquake Relief Aid To Turkey
regular
SENIOR MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 24, 2011
- Messages
- 2,615
- Reaction score
- 0
Yes! Exactly ....ure right..
These Western pplz are real cunning and evil. Infact they are murderer themselves and always blames the innocents for their crimes.....
AZADPAKISTAN2009
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 8, 2009
- Messages
- 37,669
- Reaction score
- 68
- Country
- Location
sarkozy is sewer rat
DESERT FIGHTER
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Jan 1, 2010
- Messages
- 46,973
- Reaction score
- 95
- Country
- Location
This sewer rat should look at his countries own PATHETIC history.... ALGERIAN GENOCIDE is a good example!
french ...
@TrMth Its good to see our kurdish cousins here on PDF.. We have alot of kurds in baluchistan aswell.. culturally we r brother!
french ...
@TrMth Its good to see our kurdish cousins here on PDF.. We have alot of kurds in baluchistan aswell.. culturally we r brother!
RedBeard
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Sep 5, 2011
- Messages
- 1,081
- Reaction score
- 0
Turkey toughens stance, tells France to face own bloody history'
18 December 2011 / TODAY'S ZAMAN, ANKARA
Turkey has slammed France for what it calls attempts to judge Turkish history before coming to terms with its own dirty, bloody past and repeated warnings of consequences in response to a bill the French legislature is readying to vote on that would criminalize denial that the Ottoman-era killings of Armenians in 1915 was genocide.
Today, nobody talks about the 45,000 Algerian deaths in 1945, or the role of France in the massacre of 800,000 people in Rwanda in 1994, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said of France on Saturday with a bitter criticism as he urged the country to face its own history before judging the history of others with strictly political motives. Erdoğan's strong reaction came in response to a vote by the French Senate to criminalize denial in France of the so-called Armenian genocide of 1915 and make it punishable by a maximum one-year prison sentence and a 45,000 euro fine -- a punishment that would bring denial of the alleged genocide up to par with denial of the Holocaust, the Associated Press news agency reported on Sunday.
Those who do not wish to see genocide should take another peek at their own dirty and bloody histories, Erdoğan said during a joint press conference with Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, chairman of the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC). This was a clear message to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who within the months leading up to the French presidential elections, has ratcheted up his call on Turkey to recognize these killings as genocide and face its history. Sarkozy, previously an opponent of the denial vote, changed his stance in October, when he announced he would support the denial bill unless Turkey took immediate steps to recognize the deaths as genocide.
Accusing France of insincerity due to its attack against Turkish history based on unfounded allegations, the Turkish prime minister repeated Turkey's official stance regarding the Armenian deaths of 1915 as an historical matter that calls for the judgment of historians and academics rather than as a matter of politics to be voted on in parliaments. Ankara has also raised doubts regarding Sarkozy's motives in changing his stance regarding the Turkish-Armenian conflict, speculating that the French president might be seeking votes from the strong Armenian community in France to gain an advantage over his Socialist Party rival, François Hollande. Hollande is also a known defender of Armenian genocide and voiced throughout his election campaign that he would support a law to make genocide denial punishable in French courts.
The bill is completely against common sense. The toll [in the case the bill passes into law] will be on French firms conducting business in Turkey, Turkey's EU Affairs Minister Egemen Bağış said on Saturday, two days after Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu invited executives from French firms in Turkey to his ministry to discuss the possible results of such a law for French investment in the country. The bill is mainly the problem of French businesses that are trying to work in this region through bases in Turkey, Bağış said, warning that the bill is sure to have financial effects that might reach beyond Turkey.
It is one of the nonsensical moves Sarkozy has initiated to win back the support he has lost in France, the first Turkish president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, stated as he joined Erdoğan in his warning that consequences will not be pleasant for France if it passes the denial law, Anatolia reported on Sunday.
Çavuşoğlu also stressed that he interprets the French move as part of an election campaign, calling out Sarkozy for using Turkey as a tool towards own his political motives. It [the law that criminalizes denial of Armenian genocide] is first and foremost against the principles of the council [PACE], against the principle of freedom of thought, Çavuşoğlu said to highlight the discrepancy between the French bill and European standards. He added, You have the right to recognize the alleged genocide, but I have the right to say it was not genocide.
In order to block the passage of the law through the French Senate, which is now set to vote on it Thursday, Ankara has mobilized various diplomatic efforts to convince the Senate to reconsider, warning of dire political and economic consequences should the bill be passed. Erdoğan personally warned Sarkozy of irreparable damage in a letter he sent to the French president last week, Anatolia reported. A Turkish diplomat further alerted Paris that the Turkish ambassador would be withdrawn for an indefinite period for consultations with Ankara, but no response has been offered by Paris so far regarding the ambassador.
Unmoved by Ankara's warnings, Sarkozy's ruling party reaffirmed its faith in the bill, expressing support for its passage. Lawmakers interviewed by Agence France-presse (AFP) said that they were determined at this time that the bill not return from the Senate, as it did back in 2006. France had previously brought the same bill to the agenda five years ago, but the French Senate refused to discuss it even though France recognized the Armenian deaths of 1915 as genocide in 2001.
According to a Cihan news agency report on Sunday, regarding the Turkish warnings as blackmail, French Senator Philippe Kaltenbach said, France should not give up on its values in the face of this [Turkey's] attitude. Kaltenbach also suggested Turkey is not sincere in its warnings, since the country issued similar statements back in 2001 when France recognized the alleged Armenian genocide, but none of its warnings were realized. Turkey is after the same strategy [of issuing threats], Kaltenbach said.
Although modern Turkey recognizes there were a large number of casualties during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the onset of World War I, the country vehemently rejects allegations that there was a systematic cleansing targeting the Armenian community in the country, ruling the deaths casualties of civil unrest. Turkey also claims that the casualties were from both sides, and the death toll -- estimated at more than a million by Armenia -- is inflated. Several other countries recognize the killings as genocide, including Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, Russia, Canada, Lebanon, Belgium, Greece, Italy, the Vatican, Switzerland, Slovakia, the Netherlands, Poland, Lithuania and Cyprus, according to AP reports.
Turkey toughens stance, tells France to face own
Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan attends a joint news conference with Libya's NTC Chairman Mustafa Abdel Jalil (not pictured) in İstanbul on Dec. 17, 2011. (Photo: Reuters)
18 December 2011 / TODAY'S ZAMAN, ANKARA
Turkey has slammed France for what it calls attempts to judge Turkish history before coming to terms with its own dirty, bloody past and repeated warnings of consequences in response to a bill the French legislature is readying to vote on that would criminalize denial that the Ottoman-era killings of Armenians in 1915 was genocide.
Today, nobody talks about the 45,000 Algerian deaths in 1945, or the role of France in the massacre of 800,000 people in Rwanda in 1994, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said of France on Saturday with a bitter criticism as he urged the country to face its own history before judging the history of others with strictly political motives. Erdoğan's strong reaction came in response to a vote by the French Senate to criminalize denial in France of the so-called Armenian genocide of 1915 and make it punishable by a maximum one-year prison sentence and a 45,000 euro fine -- a punishment that would bring denial of the alleged genocide up to par with denial of the Holocaust, the Associated Press news agency reported on Sunday.
Those who do not wish to see genocide should take another peek at their own dirty and bloody histories, Erdoğan said during a joint press conference with Mustafa Abdul-Jalil, chairman of the Libyan National Transitional Council (NTC). This was a clear message to French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who within the months leading up to the French presidential elections, has ratcheted up his call on Turkey to recognize these killings as genocide and face its history. Sarkozy, previously an opponent of the denial vote, changed his stance in October, when he announced he would support the denial bill unless Turkey took immediate steps to recognize the deaths as genocide.
Accusing France of insincerity due to its attack against Turkish history based on unfounded allegations, the Turkish prime minister repeated Turkey's official stance regarding the Armenian deaths of 1915 as an historical matter that calls for the judgment of historians and academics rather than as a matter of politics to be voted on in parliaments. Ankara has also raised doubts regarding Sarkozy's motives in changing his stance regarding the Turkish-Armenian conflict, speculating that the French president might be seeking votes from the strong Armenian community in France to gain an advantage over his Socialist Party rival, François Hollande. Hollande is also a known defender of Armenian genocide and voiced throughout his election campaign that he would support a law to make genocide denial punishable in French courts.
The bill is completely against common sense. The toll [in the case the bill passes into law] will be on French firms conducting business in Turkey, Turkey's EU Affairs Minister Egemen Bağış said on Saturday, two days after Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu invited executives from French firms in Turkey to his ministry to discuss the possible results of such a law for French investment in the country. The bill is mainly the problem of French businesses that are trying to work in this region through bases in Turkey, Bağış said, warning that the bill is sure to have financial effects that might reach beyond Turkey.
It is one of the nonsensical moves Sarkozy has initiated to win back the support he has lost in France, the first Turkish president of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, stated as he joined Erdoğan in his warning that consequences will not be pleasant for France if it passes the denial law, Anatolia reported on Sunday.
Çavuşoğlu also stressed that he interprets the French move as part of an election campaign, calling out Sarkozy for using Turkey as a tool towards own his political motives. It [the law that criminalizes denial of Armenian genocide] is first and foremost against the principles of the council [PACE], against the principle of freedom of thought, Çavuşoğlu said to highlight the discrepancy between the French bill and European standards. He added, You have the right to recognize the alleged genocide, but I have the right to say it was not genocide.
In order to block the passage of the law through the French Senate, which is now set to vote on it Thursday, Ankara has mobilized various diplomatic efforts to convince the Senate to reconsider, warning of dire political and economic consequences should the bill be passed. Erdoğan personally warned Sarkozy of irreparable damage in a letter he sent to the French president last week, Anatolia reported. A Turkish diplomat further alerted Paris that the Turkish ambassador would be withdrawn for an indefinite period for consultations with Ankara, but no response has been offered by Paris so far regarding the ambassador.
Unmoved by Ankara's warnings, Sarkozy's ruling party reaffirmed its faith in the bill, expressing support for its passage. Lawmakers interviewed by Agence France-presse (AFP) said that they were determined at this time that the bill not return from the Senate, as it did back in 2006. France had previously brought the same bill to the agenda five years ago, but the French Senate refused to discuss it even though France recognized the Armenian deaths of 1915 as genocide in 2001.
According to a Cihan news agency report on Sunday, regarding the Turkish warnings as blackmail, French Senator Philippe Kaltenbach said, France should not give up on its values in the face of this [Turkey's] attitude. Kaltenbach also suggested Turkey is not sincere in its warnings, since the country issued similar statements back in 2001 when France recognized the alleged Armenian genocide, but none of its warnings were realized. Turkey is after the same strategy [of issuing threats], Kaltenbach said.
Although modern Turkey recognizes there were a large number of casualties during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire at the onset of World War I, the country vehemently rejects allegations that there was a systematic cleansing targeting the Armenian community in the country, ruling the deaths casualties of civil unrest. Turkey also claims that the casualties were from both sides, and the death toll -- estimated at more than a million by Armenia -- is inflated. Several other countries recognize the killings as genocide, including Uruguay, Chile, Argentina, Russia, Canada, Lebanon, Belgium, Greece, Italy, the Vatican, Switzerland, Slovakia, the Netherlands, Poland, Lithuania and Cyprus, according to AP reports.
Turkey toughens stance, tells France to face own
forummurat
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 5, 2008
- Messages
- 323
- Reaction score
- 0
IS THIS GENOCIDE? 
)
)
Last edited by a moderator:
cabatli_53
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 20, 2008
- Messages
- 12,808
- Reaction score
- 62
- Country
- Location
Ahh man, you are an Armenian that your ancestors shared same history with Turks side by side from Ottoman times but you couldn't learn any single thing about Turk's habit and character, When the subject became the national benefits of Turkish homeland? Homeland is considered like "holy" in my country and The nations who have some dirty eyes on Turks land is also considered as a person who is cursing the holy values of Turks. At this conjunction, How can you believe the advantages of making some politic pressures over Turks to make us accept Armenian lies to let some Turkish land to deliver for Armenia ? Haven't you ever read any history book telling Turks habit and character in such serious subjects related with their homelands ? It is something like playing with fire...
cabatli_53
ELITE MEMBER
- Joined
- Feb 20, 2008
- Messages
- 12,808
- Reaction score
- 62
- Country
- Location
That's the result of touching the flag of Turkiye but You are talking about owning East part of Turkiye with composing some lies from 1915's and You believe that Making some politic pressures over Turks will bring some positive results ?
Last edited by a moderator:
Similar threads
- Article
