Salman Taseer's Daughter Speaks Out.

[Awesome]

that was a joke not an answer really inmean no disrespect

It is what the entire world follows and the entire WORLD thinks we are the jokes to believe any different.

If I get 10 guys to say you're not a Muslim, you'll stop being one?

 

[T-Faz]

my t faz you made a complete fool out of your self here sorry for the harsh language but I expected better from you

How so?

All I am asking is that, does it make any difference with what others call themselves?

 

[Awesome]

Let me ask you. Will you stand still if someone abuses (in all possible manners) your parents? Wouldnt you wish at that time that their was some strict laws that would prevent such people from attacking your parents because they disliked you?

No that is perfectly alright and it is everyone's right within the confines of a nation-state.

 

[Mutee]

Ok u guys won I lost just be happy now

 

[President Camacho]

my t faz you made a complete fool out of your self here sorry for the harsh language but I expected better from you

Mutee, I do not intend to get into this discussion, as I barely have any knowledge in comparison to you and others in Pakistan. But just wondering, why don't you refute T-Faz's argument with logic/proof/precedence?

Here's my two cents:

History has shown us that any sect, or newer branch from any religion has always faced stiff resistance and many times mass persecution too. When there are people in the same country showing they consider M. Ghulam Ahmed equal to Prophet Mohammed, it will surely incite anger and attract hatred. I do not understand how can Ahmedis (or anyone for that matter) be allowed to call themselves Mulsims without expecting any reaction from other Muslimeen around them.

 

[Mutee]

Your opinion does not impact me in any way so why should it matter.

Much like others can call themselves what they want, overlooking your opinion of them because it does not matter.

Btw, why do you write so many censored words, are you using foul language.

no I type ** to point out I missed something in my post I don't abuse ppl or use bad language QURAN says if you ate involved in an argument do it with kamalay ehsun that means best language possible

 

[Awesome]

I am kinda lost here. If I call myself Hindu or call myself Muslim or Sikh or Scientologist or a Satanist - how does that affect anyone else? How does it affect the state?

Or Mickey Mouse worshipper...

The theory goes that Ahmedis want to call themselves Muslim because their entire people (imagine millions upon millions, including millions of kids) are dedicated on infiltrating Islam and destroying it from within.

Or even better, Ahmedis would confuse the Muslims into thinking their religion is the ACTUAL Islam and the Actual Islam is a fake one

These theories are only laughable and only intrigue the people who lack confidence in Islam itself or their own convictions to it.

 

[Mutee]

What's there to refuteeee his logic is he's fine if Hindus call themselves Muslims and that's none if our business or the states business you tell me what do I say here ???????

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I am kinda lost here. If I call myself Hindu or call myself Muslim or Sikh or Scientologist or a Satanist - how does that affect anyone else? How does it affect the state?

Prophet Mohammed PBUH said that their will be a time where Islam will be divided into many sects and Muslims will be living like the scum of the earth however as far as i know he never said anything like these sects will have no right to call themself Muslims however if anyone is to misrepresent Islam they will be punished by Allah. Pakistan today is in a very complex situation and one must understand peoples ego. Muslims dont want to practice Islam to its full potential but just want to satisfy their ego with irrelevant matters. So if all of sudden these un islamic laws are exterminated people will just create chaos so IMO its very important to educate the people first and thats where we as Pakistanis are lacking.

 

[Awesome]

History has shown us that any sect, or newer branch from any religion has always faced stiff resistance and many times mass persecution too. When there are people in the same country showing they consider M. Ghulam Ahmed equal to Prophet Mohammed, it will surely incite anger and attract hatred. I do not understand how can Ahmedis (or anyone for that matter) be allowed to call themselves Mulsims without expecting any reaction from other Muslimeen around them.

Reaction? Define reaction. You want to call them liars? No problem. You want to put up a giant Posters all over Pakistan Stating Ahmedis are wrong, to satisfy everyone's insecurity. No problem either.

You want to kill them, harm them - big problem. You want the state to throw them in jail, big problem. The entire world works like this. Heck when Islam started off, it faced these same discriminatory attitudes but won its battle.

 

[Jackdaws]

Or Mickey Mouse worshipper...

The theory goes that Ahmedis want to call themselves Muslim because their entire people (imagine millions upon millions, including millions of kids) are dedicated on infiltrating Islam and destroying it from within.

Or even better, Ahmedis would confuse the Muslims into thinking their religion is the ACTUAL Islam and the Actual Islam is a fake one

These theories are only laughable and only intrigue the people who lack confidence in Islam itself or their own convictions to it.

I pointed this out - I am not sure here or some other forum. Ahmedis are mostly from Qadian which is in Gurdaspur. I've seen many Pakistanis claim that Gurdaspur was majority Muslim but if you count Ahmedis as non-Muslim then the majority was non-Muslim. Imagine the plight of an Ahmedi - during Partition - they must have been killed by Hindus and Sikhs because they were considered Muslims and forced to migrate to Pakistan - a few years later in Pakistan, the Muslims start killing them because of their faith. Talk about bad luck.

 

[T-Faz]

Mutee, I do not intend to get into this discussion, as I barely have any knowledge in comparison to you and others in Pakistan. But just wondering, why don't you refute T-Faz's argument with logic/proof/precedence?

Here's my two cents:

History has shown us that any sect, or newer branch from any religion has always faced stiff resistance and many times mass persecution too. When there are people in the same country showing they consider M. Ghulam Ahmed equal to Prophet Mohammed, it will surely incite anger and attract hatred. I do not understand how can Ahmedis (or anyone for that matter) be allowed to call themselves Mulsims without expecting any reaction from other Muslimeen around them.

That's correct, any new sect, religion or movement attracts hostility from the preceding one. I heard religion was nothing without a wordly test of your faith and belief. Thus the rigid behaviour and the impact of it on not just your religious life but personal one too.

Though you provided incorrect info as Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is only a subordinate to the Prophet according to the Ahmadi doctrine, the divergence on one matter is the main cause of friction.

But still this is no reason for a state to intervene in religious matters.

State cannot impose the majorities view on a minority.

 

[Mutee]

oh sir you don't know me and my convictions don't question my beliefs that will not do you any good

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

Now prove it to me that it is okay for a Muslim state to separate Islam from the matters of State.

I dont care what religion you fallow but at least dont talk out of ignorance in the matters you have no idea of.
In short. Islam has got everything to do with the business of the state because Allah says it and Prophet Mohammed PBUH did it and as muslims its our duty to educate ourself and change this corrupt new world order system of Secularism and implement a system which is according to the principle of Islam not ideology of some muslims.
Here maybe this video will help you understand what we are trying to convey here because this time a "CHRISTIAN" is trying to expose Secular system.
And btw Secular Jinnah was a member of Fabian Society.

M_B - You always respond to others with religious lines. Allah also reccomended Muslims to spread teachings of Islam with peace. How will you fulfill your duty if you alienate your country from other faiths? Pakistan's creation was according to Secular Muslim's (Jinnah) ideology or Principles of Islam?

 

[Awesome]

What's there to refuteeee his logic is he's fine if Hindus call themselves Muslims and that's none if our business or the states business you tell me what do I say here ???????

You need to study about rights. It is the right of every Pakistani to call themselves anything. It is the right of every Pakistani to not accept what each other are saying. You have complete freedom of speech, they have complete freedom of speech. Unfair?