Salafisim & the West.

[Conspirator]

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=586771988021570

Salafist states have always been tooled by west. Their relationship is only the relationship of OIL.
The day they don't need ME's oil, they r gonna back stab these salafists.

 

[Pakistani E]

I don't care what the salafists do with the west, All I want them to do is leave Pakistan alone and stop funding these sectarian madarassahs in Pakistan. Same with Iran . These countries should stay the **** out of Pakistan business, I hate how some of my pakistans hate the fact the the west meddles in Pakistani affairs but are strangely okay with arabs or Iranians putting their nose in pakistans internal affairs.

 

[Kompromat]

@Pakistani Exile

They won't stop,Iranians nor Salafists. We would have to reform ourselves to this reality,we need to grow a spine.

 

[BATMAN]

foremost, we need to grow brain.

 

[Rustam]

I don't care what the salafists do with the west, All I want them to do is leave Pakistan alone and stop funding these sectarian madarassahs in Pakistan. Same with Iran . These countries should stay the **** out of Pakistan business, I hate how some of my pakistans hate the fact the the west meddles in Pakistani affairs but are strangely okay with arabs or Iranians putting their nose in pakistans internal affairs.

@Pakistani Exile

They won't stop,Iranians nor Salafists. We would have to reform ourselves to this reality,we need to grow a spine.

foremost, we need to grow brain.

Iran is not Salafi and making sectarian madrases in Pakistan. We are NOT the ones droning you in Pakistan. We are not going around brainwashing sunnis to kill shias or other sunnis in Pakistan and this and that. We are not meddling in your internal affairs like usa and ksa so its better you hypocrites don't push blame on us.

The same guys who meddle in your Kim J of North Korea is the same guys who meddle in Pakistan. Qatar, Saudi, Bahrain are Western puppets, Iran is not. the western puppet was kicked out 30 years ago. If any body you want to blame go blame your own population for doing nothing as a nuclear armed state who provides services to american nato forces to kill afghans. Iranians are not doing it, nor are we taking funds from your American friends nor do we allow their drones in our airspace. Pakistan already has a spine, its called Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The Ideology is already there from your parsi/persian founding father, So is the Brains from Alama Iqbal the Kashmiri. Everybody said Pakistan will be a failed state, did it fail? no. He fought against the indians for Kashmir and took $1 as his own salary. Thats the kind of leader you need. Blame USA, KSA and Indian RAW Mossad first before you blame Iran or Afghanistan, Your leaders such as Ziaul Haq are the ones who Sold your country to the KSA and USA when he helped USA and KSA enter the Taliban.

Go take your jealousy elsewhere and blame yourself or the real conspirators such as USA and KSA. IRI has nothing to do with you country. Iran even built you the Iran Pakistan Gas Pipeline to HELP Pakistanis with their Energy Needs. And you come her to blame Iran.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah said something in the lines of...
"My Pakistan Has Azadi But the Qom is not Aware that its Azad yet"

 

[Yzd Khalifa]

@Pakistani Exile

They won't stop,Iranians nor Salafists. We would have to reform ourselves to this reality,we need to grow a spine.

I only will speak for my country.

We trace every single penny that comes in and out, not just to Pakistan ,but everywhere else.

 

[Kompromat]

Iran is not Salafi and making sectarian madrases in Pakistan. We are NOT the ones droning you in Pakistan. We are not going around brainwashing sunnis to kill shias or other sunnis in Pakistan and this and that. We are not meddling in your internal affairs like usa and ksa so its better you hypocrites don't push blame on us.

The same guys who meddle in your Kim J of North Korea is the same guys who meddle in Pakistan. Qatar, Saudi, Bahrain are Western puppets, Iran is not. the western puppet was kicked out 30 years ago. If any body you want to blame go blame your own population for doing nothing as a nuclear armed state who provides services to american nato forces to kill afghans. Iranians are not doing it, nor are we taking funds from your American friends nor do we allow their drones in our airspace. Pakistan already has a spine, its called Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The Ideology is already there from your parsi/persian founding father, So is the Brains from Alama Iqbal the Kashmiri. Everybody said Pakistan will be a failed state, did it fail? no. He fought against the indians for Kashmir and took $1 as his own salary. Thats the kind of leader you need. Blame USA, KSA and Indian RAW Mossad first before you blame Iran or Afghanistan, Your leaders such as Ziaul Haq are the ones who Sold your country to the KSA and USA when he helped USA and KSA enter the Taliban.

Go take your jealousy elsewhere and blame yourself or the real conspirators such as USA and KSA. IRI has nothing to do with you country. Iran even built you the Iran Pakistan Gas Pipeline to HELP Pakistanis with their Energy Needs. And you come her to blame Iran.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah said something in the lines of...
"My Pakistan Has Azadi But the Qom is not Aware that its Azad yet"

You have raised some interesting points and do i admire your bluntness. I am not the one who puts the blame for our nation's ills on the shoulders of the others. However,the impression that Iran does not and has not meddled in Pakistan's internal affairs is misplaced and wrong, so is the impression of the Arab nations not meddling in our affairs. As i stated in my post above in one line,that we cannot stop other nations from projecting power in our country. What we can do, is to reform ourselves and look into our weaknesses and to fix them if we are to make a nation out of a crowd.

As for the war in Afghanistan,let me assure you that history will remember our strategy to be the correct one. We will be the ones to write the history not the Americans,not the brits. Yes we did cooperate with the invasion forces, we do facilitate them. Running a country is not like running a household,running geopolitical affairs isn't like running the affairs of an extended family. Things take time,so do the bets we place for strategic goals. I can assure you that the biggest cooperator and the biggest pain in Afghanistan for the invaders is us. I will leave that to you to figure out. As for the pipeline, my friend you must take no credit for it as it is not HELP but BUSINESS,it must be kept that way.

Peace

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Rustam

Blunt is blunt, but there was no need to make the remarks you made about India and Indian institutions. Rather than get into a slanging match, it is better to leave it at that. But I am disappointed. It was an immature gesture and a reflection of the prejudices of the man in the street and his distorted understanding of affairs.

Just as you didn't like Iran being wrongly dragged into the argument, I resent India being wrongly dragged into the argument. Since you are evidently very sensitive, you should understand the sensitivity of others.

 

[Rustam]

I only will speak for my country.

We trace every single penny that comes in and out, not just to Pakistan ,but everywhere else.

You have raised some interesting points and do i admire your bluntness. I am not the one who puts the blame for our nation's ills on the shoulders of the others. However,the impression that Iran does not and has not meddled in Pakistan's internal affairs is misplaced and wrong, so is the impression of the Arab nations not meddling in our affairs. As i stated in my post above in one line,that we cannot stop other nations from projecting power in our country. What we can do, is to reform ourselves and look into our weaknesses and to fix them if we are to make a nation out of a crowd.

As for the war in Afghanistan,let me assure you that history will remember our strategy to be the correct one. We will be the ones to write the history not the Americans,not the brits. Yes we did cooperate with the invasion forces, we do facilitate them. Running a country is not like running a household,running geopolitical affairs isn't like running the affairs of an extended family. Things take time,so do the bets we place for strategic goals. I can assure you that the biggest cooperator and the biggest pain in Afghanistan for the invaders is us. I will leave that to you to figure out. As for the pipeline, my friend you must take no credit for it as it is not HELP but BUSINESS,it must be kept that way.

Peace

I appreciate your reply and I agree with most part, But Pakistan is not a Poor nation, Its Resource rich, I read in the mining sector. Pakistan should stop taking American Aids, Thats what it is AIDS, It Goes into the pockets of the Leaders, a select few the rest goes into the hand of the Military. It never "really" reaches the people. Sure, on a smaller stage even China, Afghanistan, Malaysia and many more can be said to have "meddled" in Pakistans affairs. However that was not to such a severity to cause damage or this much damage as caused by Americans, Brits, KSA and by a certain degree by Indians as well. India Did offer America bases to attack Pakistan after 9/11. I had high hopes for Imran Khan, but we see Newab Sharif.

The War in Afghanistan, Pakistan can Choke Americans and trap them like rats if it was a Azad Qum. Tomorrow you cut their supply lines and Taliban will take care of the rest. This strategy is destroying Pakistan internally, Mossad and Raw Insurgency, Baluchistan, Kashmir, Punjab they will try to take Pakistan back into a nationalistic and sectarian standoff like '71. Both Parties will fight, and the winner will be, Americans, Brits, Indian, Israeli (Westerners). The Strategic moves under a a Leader like Jinnah can achieve, but can not be achieved under current leaderships that we have seen, they are in the pockets of Americans and Americans know this very well. They are using a carrot and stick approach. Pakistanis and Afghans dont have to die at the hands of the Crusaders who have fun Targeting and killing innocent people inside Pakistan using their drones. So the strategy is good, but the leaders and incompetent to accomplish it and implement it. As for the Peace /IP Pipeline, It is Help as well as Brotherhood, Iran is building 800 kilometers of the pipeline on the Pakistan's side as well, But Americans already have threatened Pakistan with sanctions in regards, this is Pakistanis internal affair and something Pakistan needs to fulfill its energy needs. So, yes we are meddling in a way to do business and help, while the Americans and so on are trying to undo it. Doing Trade with India is Business, Same can not be said about Pakistan. Both nations can not be put on the same level.


-Salam

@Joe Shearer
Look Joe, I am not trying to pick on Indians here, but just saying how I see it on this political scene. I don't have much against the regular Joe living in India, I know majority are poor people trying to make ends living. I understand but fact is India is Israels biggest ally in the world, superseding America itself. And if Not Indians the Indian Government is highly corrupted and works with Crusaders, Colonials and Zionists being used for a common goal against Muslims and Pakistan in General and have some hegemony in the region. If Iran created an Ant of a Problem in Pakistan, then Salafi KSA, Crusader USA UK, Indian Helping Zionist Israel has created Elephant of Problems.. So I was just pointing out that "saying" its only Iran and Salafis and not pointing out Major Players such as USA, NATO, KSA, Israel, India, UK, UAE along with the Pakistani Leadership, will just be biased and not covering the issue entirely. That was my point.

 

[Syrian Lion]

If You're a Nutcase, You Will be Offered a Job by a Western Intelligence Service


One of the two Woolwich attackers, Michael Adebolajo, was seen as a follower of Wahhabi extremist radical cleric Anjem Choudary, and was highly influenced by Salafi hate preacher Omar Bakri, a cleric that teaches body mutilation and violence.

In a recent interview with Adebolajo's close friend, Abu Nusaybah, he revealed that the Woolwich attacker was harassed by MI5, the British Security Service. He also mentioned that MI5 ended up offering Adebolajo a job with the agency. After finishing the interview, he was arrested by MI5.

 

[Kompromat]

@Rustam

I appreciate your kind words and wishes. Yes we had high hopes with the elections too but our elections were engineered to meet the requirements of some forces. Having said that, Imran Khan isn't out of the scene, he has secured the 2nd largest vote bank in the very first election of him as a party leader.

You see, stopping the supply is something we have done before and it did cost them dearly. However for us to deal with Afghan situation, we would have to walk a thin line. We will **** off the Americans at the time and event of our choosing and retract when it suits us. For us, the purpose is not to kill as many occupiers as possible but to deny the invaders the sense of "triumph" and victory. Pakistan has been in a state of covert war in Afghanistan for the past decade. We cannot lose an entire war in order to win some shock and awe objectives. We are being hurt in the process and we have paid a hefty price for it,however i believe that it will sink in time.

IPP from my perspective is vital for Pakistan and if it is cancelled by Nawaz Sharif, he is not going to last long. Pakistan is a semi industrialized agricultural economy and for that we need vast amounts of energy. We do have our own gas reserves which will fulfill our energy needs for the foreseeable future. However for the short term and immediate solution to the energy crisis in Pakistan IPP is our best bet. In the end i would also like to refute the notion that, we cannot resist the American pressure. We did resist their pressure when we were building our WMD program. Lets not forget that IPP is eventually going to end up in China,which helps us deal with the Americans.

Peace

 

[Rustam]

@Syrian Lion

London is a breading ground for "Salafi" etc. After all they are the ones who "IMPOSED" these guys in the Muslim world after WW1. Its a fifth column, some crusaders grow beards and pretend to be muslims to destroy islam within. They hide behind the "Muslim" identity. Reverse propaganda. They say USA, UK are the Crusader enemy and they they go do their dirty work and take funds from them and meet the Goals of the Crusader Zionist Entity.

Just Watch this man, the guy goes crazy..

 

[Desert Fox]

Iran is not Salafi and making sectarian madrases in Pakistan. We are NOT the ones droning you in Pakistan. We are not going around brainwashing sunnis to kill shias or other sunnis in Pakistan and this and that. We are not meddling in your internal affairs like usa and ksa so its better you hypocrites don't push blame on us.

The same guys who meddle in your Kim J of North Korea is the same guys who meddle in Pakistan. Qatar, Saudi, Bahrain are Western puppets, Iran is not. the western puppet was kicked out 30 years ago. If any body you want to blame go blame your own population for doing nothing as a nuclear armed state who provides services to american nato forces to kill afghans. Iranians are not doing it, nor are we taking funds from your American friends nor do we allow their drones in our airspace. Pakistan already has a spine, its called Mohammad Ali Jinnah. The Ideology is already there from your parsi/persian founding father, So is the Brains from Alama Iqbal the Kashmiri. Everybody said Pakistan will be a failed state, did it fail? no. He fought against the indians for Kashmir and took $1 as his own salary. Thats the kind of leader you need. Blame USA, KSA and Indian RAW Mossad first before you blame Iran or Afghanistan, Your leaders such as Ziaul Haq are the ones who Sold your country to the KSA and USA when he helped USA and KSA enter the Taliban.

Go take your jealousy elsewhere and blame yourself or the real conspirators such as USA and KSA. IRI has nothing to do with you country. Iran even built you the Iran Pakistan Gas Pipeline to HELP Pakistanis with their Energy Needs. And you come her to blame Iran.

Mohammad Ali Jinnah said something in the lines of...
"My Pakistan Has Azadi But the Qom is not Aware that its Azad yet"

Reasons why Pakistan MUST have good relations with Iran:


1). Iran is an immediate neighbor of Pakistan

2). Iran was the first Muslim country to recognize Pakistan as a independent Muslim country, (Arabs did not recognize Pakistan, and Arab backed "Islamic" parties of the sub-continent were against Pakistan's creation).

3). Being on good terms with Iran will help to stabilize Afghanistan after NATO's withdrawal, and thus help Pakistan to secure its Western Border allowing us to focus most of our resources back on the Eastern border against india.

4). TTP, BLA, and other militant organizations will lose considerable material support once their supply chain from NATO occupied Afghanistan dries out once NATO leaves.

5). Taliban will be forced to negotiate peace with NA and vice versa. Heck, even Taliban have realized that they must deal with Iran in order to secure their own existence in the future.

6). Last but not least, Iran can help us to meet our energy needs.

 

[angaradubai]

Iran is 100 times better then salafis, who lick the feet of their western masters. I can not believe they are ruling Makkah and Medina. I really hope shias actually take over Makkah and Medina ( I am sunni btw) because they would at least respect the place, instead of turning it in to Las vegas by building 7 star hotels

The only thing a Salafi worships is money

 

[Joe Shearer]

@Rustam

Your point of view is well understood, but I believe it is based on a distorted understanding itself, a distortion of the objectives and intentions of the Indian State. For instance, your statement here:

And if Not Indians the Indian Government is highly corrupted and works with Crusaders, Colonials and Zionists being used for a common goal against Muslims and Pakistan in General and have some hegemony in the region.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle-east-africa/257082-salafisim-west.html#ixzz2VryFA5Pu

I don't agree that the Indian Government works with Crusaders, Colonials and Zionists, against Muslims and Pakistan. India has consistently supported the cause of justice and fair play for the Palestinians, right through the period when the the Shah of Iran was arming Pakistan by the back door, while a war was going on, when the UAE Sheikhs were allowing their surplus planes to be bought up and transported, when their air forces were manned by Pakistani pilots and served to train and to upgrade their skills. We did not lack a principled approach, and still do not today, in spite of all the bad attitude shown by people and states to whom we had been open and fair, to say the least.

What do you have in mind when you see a working with Crusaders, Colonials and Zionists? What can you cite other than an increasing proximity to the Israeli arms industry? And why do you see us working with Colonials when we opposed colonialism tooth and nail for four decades, at a time when other nations - you can find the names for yourself from the accounts of those times - were cringing at the feet of those same colonials? And do you wonder that we take sides with western nations against the shameless encouragement of terrorism against us by Pakistan? How can you be surprised that we have taken sides against terror? And what have we done, either as a State or as a people, that is illegitimate, unless you believe the concoctions of fan-boys about the entire pack of violent incidents within Pakistan being due to our intelligence apparatus? Can you seriously say what you have said is a sober reflection of reality?

Once again, I understand you were making a point. But why us?