Sahiwal Police Massacre - Updates & Discussions.

[Awan68]

I see, trying to slowly convince the general population that the Operation was correct, and the three beautiful flowers were orphaned by "accident".
cool

Have u forgotten the beautiful flowers ripped from APS?

 

[Path-Finder]

Hi,

First of all---Imran's govt is weak---IK himself is weak---. He should have threatened to charge the news media with sedition and anti state activity for lighting a fire strom---.

The state did not need to disclose its mannerism of inquiry against the criminals just to satisfy the public and the media---.

It compromises investigations---.

Absolutely stupid of the govt to do that---.

It is a terrible tragedy that three innocent people got killed---but then the US air force has killed over 100000 innocent afghans in afg and no one can say anything---.

I agree the media is really getting out of hand and it has hampered this investigation because it no longer gets 'wazaif' from the government so it has started blackmailing the state.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

but then the US air force has killed over 100000 innocent afghans in afg and no one can say anything---.

And how many stories have we read of US police officers gunning down innocent people because stress, suspicion, bias etc play a role into reacting incorrectly.

I don't believe most of those officers deliberately kill innocents, but in many cases you have LEA's making split second decisions and those decisions are not always correct.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Bombers are always

Well well well...@RescueRanger

There was also news that on the night of the Sahiwal op, 2 suicide bombers were killed in Gujranwala I believe. It was said that those 2 bombers had ran away from Zeeshans house after they saw the news on TV.

As i know bombers are always escorted,even to target.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

As i know bombers are always escorted,even to target.

It suggests that the original plan was aborted because the bombers saw news of the operations against their accomplices on TV (or other sources) - then you can't expect them to stick to the original plan.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I wouldn't trust this source for sh!t, most likely fake news.

First of all the website was registered in June 2018 - (check on whois.net for yourself)

Secondly the site is a registered british company;

• Company Registration No : 11657703
• Checkout that company at companies house, registered to a Mr Noor Muhammad Dahri
• Company was registered in November 2018

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/11657703/officers

Who is also a zionist who has been to Israel - https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/i-am-a-proud-pakistani-and-a-proud-zionist-too/

How is this man suddenly given access to insider information?

@Taimoor Khan @litman

As I mentioned, I am more interested in this chap Noor Dahri and how/why he is getting involved in this matter. For what gains? He is a Zionist and works for Israel.

 

[Awan68]

Hi,

First of all---Imran's govt is weak---IK himself is weak---. He should have threatened to charge the news media with sedition and anti state activity for lighting a fire strom---.

The state did not need to disclose its mannerism of inquiry against the criminals just to satisfy the public and the media---.

It compromises investigations---.

Absolutely stupid of the govt to do that---.

It is a terrible tragedy that three innocent people got killed---but then the US air force has killed over 100000 innocent afghans in afg and no one can say anything---.

Exactly, media seems to think that they should dictate how things are run in Pakistan. People here shedding croc tears forget that this was not some pursuit of daciots gone wrong, this was an operation against a member of the most dangerous organization in the world. In such cases apprehension is only and only risked when the target could reveal high end intel, otherwise its shoot to kill. If u ask me to choose between a few dead civilians and an isis operative escaping, i will take the dead civilians every time.

 

[litman]

and zeeshan kept conversation of 3 nov in his cell. he didnt get time to delete such a top secret chat( from terrorist point of view) from his cell .stupid terrorists.

 

[MastanKhan]

And how many stories have we read of US police officers gunning down innocent people because stress, suspicion, bias etc play a role into reacting incorrectly.

I don't believe most of those officers deliberately kill innocents, but in many cases you have LEA's making split second decisions and those decisions are not always correct.

Hi,

CTD is an extremely tough job---being in uniform is an extremely tough job---.

Being a target of an unknown face and enemy 24/7 for the last 17 years is a nerve racking job---.

Being in a position of never knowing when a terrorist will shoot or blow himself up next to you is not an easy task---.

So----when these guys make multiple successful operations against the terrs over years of time period---the chances of a mistake---an extremely major mistake increase exponentially---.

I don't want my family to be a victim---but it a brutal way to die for an innocent person---.

War on terror is brutal in itself---.

 

[litman]

I don't see it that way
it is clearly admitted from the start that the killing of the family was unfortunate and a result of a a mistake and totally unjustified and those who took part in the operation are to be blamed for it.

the rest of the narration explains (gives a version) why police resorted to such unprecedented and disproportionate deadly force resulting in the killing of the family and permanently traumatizing the surviving kids

but if no one was firing from the car the LEAs could have captured him alive. it could be more useful.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Hi,

CTD is an extremely tough job---being in uniform is an extremely tough job---.

Being a target of an unknown face and enemy 24/7 for the last 17 years is a nerve racking job---.

Being in a position of never knowing when a terrorist will shoot or blow himself up next to you is not an easy task---.

So----when these guys make multiple successful operations against the terrs over years of time period---the chances of a mistake---an extremely major mistake increase exponentially---.

I don't want my family to be a victim---but it a brutal way to die for an innocent person---.

War on terror is brutal in itself---.

I agree. I hope that the judicial inquiry being demanded looks at this dispassionately and doesn't target every CTD individual involved. Orders to open fire were likely given by the officer in charge, and at the end of the day the inquiry needs to focus on whether there were SOP's in place to govern the situation the commanding officer found himself in: what threats or fears were in the mind of the commanding officer to order that the CTD personnel open fire, and were those fears justified and was there another possible means of addressing the situation.

but if no one was firing from the car the LEAs could have captured him alive. it could be more useful.

If the information provided by the OP on this thread is correct, keep in mind that the CTD knew that Zeeshan was a member of an ISIS cell. This cell had executed police officers and was planning suicide attacks. Other members had been gunned down. Remember that we have had multiple suicide car bombings in the past where the car refuses to stop and barrels into the target and detonates. In high risk areas the orders are to shoot to stop vehicles that refuse to obey orders to stop. Perhaps this vehicle, given the ongoing anti-ISIS operations, was treated as high risk and potentially full of explosives.

and zeeshan kept conversation of 3 nov in his cell. he didnt get time to delete such a top secret chat( from terrorist point of view) from his cell .stupid terrorists.

He wasn't expecting to get caught now was he?

 

[litman]

I agree. I hope that the judicial inquiry being demanded looks at this dispassionately and doesn't target every CTD individual involved. Orders to open fire were likely given by the officer in charge, and at the end of the day the inquiry needs to focus on whether there were SOP's in place to govern the situation the commanding officer found himself in: what threats or fears were in the mind of the commanding officer to order that the CTD personnel open fire, and were those fears justified and was there another possible means of addressing the situation.


If the information provided by the OP on this thread is correct, keep in mind that the CTD knew that Zeeshan was a member of an ISIS cell. This cell had executed police officers and was planning suicide attacks. Other members had been gunned down. Remember that we have had multiple suicide car bombings in the past where the car refuses to stop and barrels into the target and detonates. In high risk areas the orders are to shoot to stop vehicles that refuse to obey orders to stop. Perhaps this vehicle, given the ongoing anti-ISIS operations, was treated as high risk and potentially full of explosives.


He wasn't expecting to get caught now was he?

when the car stopped they could have easily shouted to the terrorists t step out of the car otherwise they will be shot at. very basic police techniques we seriously lack.

He wasn't expecting to get caught now was he?

in that case extremely poor training on his part as well. non sense.

 

[RealNapster]

1. How credible is this source?
2. Seems like they were acting on sound intelligence
3. Sounds like they decided to deliberately throw caution to the wind and not risk themselves by firing on the car instead of arresting.
4. Upon finding out they've killed other people they've tried to cover it up

I think the fact there was sound reason to be cautious, does not excuse those involved of murder. They could have surrounded the car from a safe distance, ordered them all out, and if they did not comply shoot warning shots before shooting at the car. They came to take them out, which is why they were confident enough to get close to the car and trigger happy.



Bhai jee, how would you arrest someone with a suicide vest? It sounds like the protocol in these IS cases is to shoot first ask questions later. If I was faced with someone potentially wearing a suicide jacket, i might be inclined to do the same. That is not to say people with suicide jackets cannot be arrested, they can and have been arrested before, but the risk is very high as these terrorists have previously blown themselves up to avoid arrest; so you can understand why they might choose to throw caution to the wind (not that i advocate such an approach).

Some good intelligemce they put in there. Good job for that. But from the article kt seems that they were following these 2 cars since weeks. So how did they missed a “family sitting in the car” ?? Still need to be answered.

 

[Jf Thunder]

Have u forgotten the beautiful flowers ripped from APS?

that was done be terrorists
this is done by the very people who should be protecting us

 

[Sine Nomine]

It suggests that the original plan was aborted because the bombers saw news of the operations against their accomplices on TV (or other sources) - then you can't expect them to stick to the original plan.

They are all the time not locals,so they can't navigate.