SAC's J-XX?

[Zabaniyah]

For some reason, I like that design better than the J-20.

 

[lawxx]

This is a recently circulated a photo, compare, find the inlet is the same.

 

[Birbal]

J-20 looks mean, but this one looks classy```Su-27 and Mig-29 are one of the best looking aircrafts in their time, now fight jet moves into stealth era

I believe that an Su-35 will beat any stealth aircraft (once cost is factored, of course).

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This is a recently circulated a photo, compare, find the inlet is the same.

What is the first photo off? It obviously has a non-stealthy canopy frame, unlike the model.

 

[Zabaniyah]

What is the first photo off? It obviously has a non-stealthy canopy frame, unlike the model.

It was probably just a prototype.

 

[lawxx]

I believe that an Su-35 will beat any stealth aircraft (once cost is factored, of course).

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What is the first photo off? It obviously has a non-stealthy canopy frame, unlike the model.

It also does not apply stealth materials，However, they are similar to the inlet.

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It was probably just a prototype.

I think so.

 

[rcrmj]

I believe that an Su-35 will beat any stealth aircraft (once cost is factored, of course).

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What is the first photo off? It obviously has a non-stealthy canopy frame, unlike the model.

with both end (Su-35 vs. stealth fighters) not supported by AWACs there is very small chance Su-35 can even reach any stealth fighters.. but with full support of AWACs and ground AW means Su-35 will have better chance. and super-manueverability (sub/supsonic speed) incroprated only on 5th gen fighter designs wich means 4th/4.5gen (with only sub-sonic speed manueverability) fighters wont have much advantage in a dogfight.

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I believe that an Su-35 will beat any stealth aircraft (once cost is factored, of course).

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What is the first photo off? It obviously has a non-stealthy canopy frame, unlike the model.

the first photo supposed to be the stealthy version of JH-7B fighter bomber

 

[April.lyrics]

I think Chinese have really fallen in love with DSI's.

u r right,bro.

JF-17,J-10B,JL-9,J-20.

 

[Birbal]

with both end (Su-35 vs. stealth fighters) not supported by AWACs there is very small chance Su-35 can even reach any stealth fighters.. but with full support of AWACs and ground AW means Su-35 will have better chance. and super-manueverability (sub/supsonic speed) incroprated only on 5th gen fighter designs wich means 4th/4.5gen (with only sub-sonic speed manueverability) fighters wont have much advantage in a dogfight.

The IRST and powerful radar, along with L-band radars in the wings should allow the Su-35 to spot most stealth fighters at at least 50km. The Su-35 should be pretty well matched in acceleration, climb, sustained turn, and instantaneous turn rates. However, it will have the key advantage of being significantly cheaper than any stealth fighter.

 

[UKBengali]

The IRST and powerful radar, along with L-band radars in the wings should allow the Su-35 to spot most stealth fighters at at least 50km. The Su-35 should be pretty well matched in acceleration, climb, sustained turn, and instantaneous turn rates. However, it will have the key advantage of being significantly cheaper than any stealth fighter.

How will the SU-35 first survive the 4-6 BVR AAMs that will have been fired against it?

 

[Zabaniyah]

The IRST and powerful radar, along with L-band radars in the wings should allow the Su-35 to spot most stealth fighters at at least 50km. The Su-35 should be pretty well matched in acceleration, climb, sustained turn, and instantaneous turn rates. However, it will have the key advantage of being significantly cheaper than any stealth fighter.

SU-35 == F-22's dinner.

 

[rcrmj]

The IRST and powerful radar, along with L-band radars in the wings should allow the Su-35 to spot most stealth fighters at at least 50km. The Su-35 should be pretty well matched in acceleration, climb, sustained turn, and instantaneous turn rates. However, it will have the key advantage of being significantly cheaper than any stealth fighter.

with Su-35's RCS 5th gen fighter can spot it 150km away therefore more than enough time to get to desired height and Angle of Attack``when the distance close to 60KM 5th Gen fighter launches BVRAAMs, even can Su-35 escape from the missile attacks, Su-35 will definitaly lose speed, altitude, energy maneuverability figures and no AOA so these make Su-35's climb, sustained turn, and instantaneous turn rates meaningless.

 

[Birbal]

Let's say we have an F-22 going up against 4 Su-35s (rough cost equivalence). The F-22 carries 4 AMRAAMs. It detects the Su-35s at long range using its LPI radar and fires AMRAAMs at it. It will have to do so at beyond 50km to make sure the Su-35s aren't able to fire at it. The Su-35s' defense systems see the missile launch and they make descending beam turns to break doppler lock. Once they have done so, they wait a while and then turn back towards the location of the launch. The F-22, which is now out of AMRAAMs and is facing multiple fighters, will have turned around and be running for its life if it had any sense. Thus, the Su-35s have forced the F-22 to disengage and run.

 

[rcrmj]

Let's say we have an F-22 going up against 4 Su-35s (rough cost equivalence). The F-22 carries 4 AMRAAMs. It detects the Su-35s at long range using its LPI radar and fires AMRAAMs at it. It will have to do so at beyond 50km to make sure the Su-35s aren't able to fire at it. The Su-35s' defense systems see the missile launch and they make descending beam turns to break doppler lock. Once they have done so, they wait a while and then turn back towards the location of the launch. The F-22, which is now out of AMRAAMs and is facing multiple fighters, will have turned around and be running for its life if it had any sense. Thus, the Su-35s have forced the F-22 to disengage and run.

this is almost impossible, lets see``

F-22 launches its 4 missiles (its weapon bay carries 6 BVRAAMs, not 4) towards 4 Su-35s at the range of 50KMs, AIM-120C accelerates and travels at 4* speed which will reach targets within 40 seconds, and two ends closing at the rate of 900 meters per second (su-35 300m/s F-22 600m/s). so by the time Su-35 has successfully evaded AIM-120C (hypothetical), F-22 will be within 11KM range, so there is no room for Su-35 to regain previous speed, altitude, AoA and energy maneuverability figures in that range, meanwhile F-22 has all the favorable odds on her side (super sonic speed, altitude, AoA and energy maneuverability figures) and it will still have 2 BVRAAMs and 2 VRAAMs to spare.

it only takes F-22 11 secods to travel 11KM but Su-35 needs at least 20 seconds to pull a full turn.

 

[amalakas]

this is almost impossible, lets see``

F-22 launches its 4 missiles (its weapon bay carries 6 BVRAAMs, not 4) towards 4 Su-35s at the range of 50KMs, AIM-120C accelerates and travels at 4* speed which will reach targets within 40 seconds, and two ends closing at the rate of 900 meters per second (su-35 300m/s F-22 600m/s). so by the time Su-35 has successfully evaded AIM-120C (hypothetical), F-22 will be within 11KM range, so there is no room for Su-35 to regain previous speed, altitude, AoA and energy maneuverability figures in that range, meanwhile F-22 has all the favorable odds on her side (super sonic speed, altitude, AoA and energy maneuverability figures) and it will still have 2 BVRAAMs and 2 VRAAMs to spare.

it only takes F-22 11 secods to travel 11KM but Su-35 needs at least 20 seconds to pull a full turn.

That would mean that the F-22 was doing 3600 km/h or mach 2.94 ! .. you don't want to think this over again ?

 

[no_name]

J-20 should be a match for F-22 once fully developed and this model if true project should at least be a match for the F-35.