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The ‘export version’ argument is simply silly. Almost all aircraft are export aircraft, the J-31 is no different. Shenyang is trying to market the aircraft and its biggest potential buyer would be China, so now explain to everyone why Shenyang would use a supposed downgraded version of the aircraft for marketing.

F-22 is not available for export, it is reportedly the 'best' American (USA) fighter aircraft today. For PRC, the 'best' fighter aircraft is J-20. That is also not available for export. Probably Russian Federation does not want to export its premier air defence system S-400 at the moment, if my memory does not betray me.

Again what is your point? Many major engineering companies use supercomputers, if they are not domestic than they are foreign. A supercomputer that was ranked #1 last year would probably not even break the top ten this year, a company that ranked 1st last year may drop to 7th this year.

I think he meant that China is a 'superpower' in the design and production of supercomputers along with Japan and America, at the moment. These countries rotate the mantle for the 'country with the fastest supercomputer in the world' amongst themselves.


This is on equipment purchase, unless you have data that compares Chinese equipment purchases its best you say nothing. And annual budgets are not the same, especially when large conscript armies spent a considerable amount of the annual funds just on feeding and housing expenses. Case in point, you made a very vague and general claim that Russia has no funding and now you can’t support that claim. Can you give me Sukhoi’s budget? Or Saturn’s budget? Or Phazatrons’ budget?


China's GDP and state budget is multiple times greater than that of Russia (about 4 or 5 times greater, at least). The publicly stated defence expenditure by China is also multiple times that of Russia, and it is very likely that gap will widen in the near future due to the booming Chinese economy as opposed to the 'trudging' Russian economy. How much of these $650 billion over 10 years promised by Russian government is actually spent also remains to be seen. Russian government is not the best in the world for meeting all of its expectations or promises either.

By the way, I am not insulting Russia or some other country or trying to put you down. I am just trying to bring some facts to your attention which you should have known already, I think, based on your extensive knowledge of aerospace and aeronautics, I would presume.
 
China’s ‘Stealth Attack’ on the F-35


Chinese lookalikes are big news these days. Last month, at the murder trial of Gu Kailai, the wife of purged Politburo member Bo Xilai, the Chinese web was abuzz with speculation that the person on the stand was not Gu at all, but a body double masquerading as the defendant. The woman in court, there’s no denying, looked at best like a plump half-cousin of the Gu we knew.

This week, China produced another lookalike – only this time the resemblance was far more convincing. The name of China’s new stealth fighter may have sounded unfamiliar (it’s called the J-21 or the J-31, depending on your sources), but this was a plane we’d all seen many times before. It looks like an F-22 from some angles, and an F-35 from others; but there seemed to be no mistaking that this was essentially an American stealth fighter with Chinese paintwork.

China has, of course, been in trouble for intellectual property infringements before. We await Washington and Lockheed Martin’s submission to the World Trade Organization with interest.

But of all the setbacks to have beset Lockheed’s F-35 program, this has to be one of the most galling. Overpriced, overdue, and underperforming, the F-35 was already a plane under extreme political pressure. Earlier this month one of the U.S. Air Force generals in charge of the program made it sound as if the government and Lockheed’s relationship had practically broken down over the stealth jet’s persistent failings. Deputy Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter has echoed these concerns. Other influential voices have called simply for the thing to be scrapped before its ruins American defense.

Yet all these perfectly good reasons to sell the F-35 prototypes on eBay to plane enthusiasts have so far been trumped by the aircraft’s one great quality: that it was the strongest competitor in a field of one. Because of this ace characteristic, a number of countries – besides the program partners – have already begun ordering the pricey and totally unproven jet. The South Koreans are currently thinking about buying it even though Lockheed has denied them the opportunity to fly one before making their decision. Chances are they’ll sign up anyway.

Only now a knock-off F-35 appears to be coming to market. Strangely enough, the possibility now exists that the F-35 will have to compete for export sales with a Chinese copy of itself. It’s hard to pin down the unit price of an F-35, but it’s at least in the $200 million range (and possibly a lot more). Ten years from now, you’ll be able to find one for much less than that at the Chinese fake market, especially if you know how to haggle.

In all seriousness there are real economic implications, given that the F-35 needs to secure export orders well into the 2030s and beyond in order to recoup some of its crazy costs. The security implications are also serious. What if the J-21/31 undercuts the F-35 in cost terms while matching it in capability terms? What if, as The Australian newspaper reckons, China has extracted the full F-35 blueprints from BAE Systems’ computers? What if, armed with that knowledge, the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation succeeds where Lockheed has so far failed and builds a Fake-35 that actually works?

Speculation aside, the reality is that the F-35 program is presently slated to cost $395.7 billion. China has probably spent less than 0.1% of that developing the Fake-35.
Ladies and gentlemen, you’re looking at the biggest free ride in the history of national security.

China’s ‘Stealth Attack’ on the F-35 | Flashpoints | The Diplomat
 
China Unveils Second Stealth Fighter


By Bill Sweetman, Richard Fisher, Bradley Perrett
Source: Aviation Week & Space Technology

Bill Sweetman and Richard Fisher Washington and Bradley Perrett Beijing

China's unveiling of a second low-observable (LO) or stealthy fighter, a Shenyang product possibly designated J-31, followed the same pattern as the revelation of the Chengdu J-20 at the end of 2010: Photos were leaked via the Internet on the eve of a U.S. defense secretary's visit to Beijing. The not-too-subtle message, as the U.S. follows through with its plans to shift air and naval forces to the Pacific region, is that China's own military modernization is not slowing down.

The first images of the J-31 show that the aircraft is very different from the large, canard-delta J-20. The Shenyang fighter appears to be much smaller than the J-20, with about two-thirds as much installed power. It is a quad-tail design with a moderately swept clipped-delta wing and large canted vertical tails, with a similar overall layout to the Lockheed Martin F-22—but more like the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter in terms of overall size. Weapon bays occupy the entire lower body aft of the inlets and ahead of the engine bays (unlike on the J-20, there are no side bays). Flight controls are conventional, with separate rudders and single-piece flaperons.

As in the case of the J-20, most of the stealth-shaping techniques are very similar to those on Lockheed Martin fighters, but the engine nozzles are conventional. The nozzle shape on the prototype is close to that of the Klimov RD-93 engine installation on the Chengdu JF-17 fighter, minus the tapered “collar” that fairs the latter's nozzle into the aft fuselage. Thrust vectoring has been studied in China but has not yet been demonstrated in flight.

One common feature of the J-20 and J-31 is that both, from images seen to date, appear to be beyond an “X-plane” stage. Both are equipped with weapon bays; both are full-scale demonstrators, and neither appears to use any components of existing aircraft. However, the timing of the development of operational variants and full-scale production remains uncertain. China is continuing the development of conventional non-stealthy fighters, and it remains to be seen when industry there can start producing competitive domestic engines and break the nation's dependency on imported Russian power. (So far, all production JF-17s have been RD-93-powered although a Chinese replacement, the Guizhou WS-13, is under development.)

Although there is no official information campaign for either of China's new stealth fighters, the “unofficial” information campaigns allowed to flourish on the Internet by government authorities have been markedly different, revealing much more about the Shenyang fighter.

In September 2011, China's Aviation Industries Corp. (Avic) sponsored a competition for unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) models at the China Aviation Museum outside Beijing, and as part of the attendant displays, the Shenyang University of Aeronautics and Astronautics (SUAA) presented a model of a twin-engine stealthy fighter with the F-60 designator on the canted vertical stabilizer. SUAA has been involved in UAV, UCAV and now fighter design work for Shenyang.

Late in June, a crudely covered full-scale fighter, without its vertical stabilizers, was openly transported on a flatbed truck from Shenyang to Yanliang Air Base near the major aerospace city of Xian, home of the China Flight Test Establishment of the People's Liberation Army Air Force. At the time, there was speculation that this aircraft was intended for Yanliang's static stress-testing facilities. The aircraft shape was broadly similar to the SUAA model.

One reason for this difference, according to some Chinese sources, is that Shenyang's fighter may not be a fully air force-funded program, but an initiative derived from its losing competitor to the Chengdu J-20. The various plants of the Avic group, such as Chengdu Aircraft and Shenyang Aircraft, have a long tradition of rivalry. To overcome that, the group began bundling them together from 2008 into specialist subsidiaries in which they were supposed to work together. But the defense ministry opposed tight integration of the defense subsidiary—including Chengdu and Shenyang—in order to maintain closer control and probably to retain and foster competition among them.

But it is also possible that Shenyang's fighter does have an official sponsor: the Chinese navy. Shenyang is the builder of the navy's first carrier-based fighter–the Sukhoi Su-33-derived J-15. The J-31 would be more adaptable to carrier operations than the bigger J-20—although it might still need enhancements such as a bigger wing, an improved high-lift and control system, and thrust vectoring. Finally, the J-31 could be a smaller, less costly complement to the J-20.

China Unveils Second Stealth Fighter
 
J-31 is better than the F-22. It's more stealthy too. And it doesn't suffocate the pilot from the lack of oxygen.
J-31 is far more advanced than the F-35.

We will be able to thrash the US military just like during the Korean War.
 
J-31 is better than the F-22. It's more stealthy too. And it doesn't suffocate the pilot from the lack of oxygen.
J-31 is far more advanced than the F-35.

We will be able to thrash the US military just like during the Korean War.

trillion dollars joke....:yahoo:
 
J-31 is better than the F-22. It's more stealthy too. And it doesn't suffocate the pilot from the lack of oxygen.
J-31 is far more advanced than the F-35.

We will be able to thrash the US military just like during the Korean War.

its like saying Indian Gorshkov is better than Varyag.:sick:
 
J-31 is better than the F-22. It's more stealthy too. And it doesn't suffocate the pilot from the lack of oxygen.
J-31 is far more advanced than the F-35.

We will be able to thrash the US military just like during the Korean War.
:rofl: :rofl:
 
We knew about the Chengdu J-20—China's fifth generation stealth fighter. As it turns out, it's not the only one. According to China Defense Blog, this is the J-21/J31. It looks even more like the F-22 Raptor than the Chengdu.

China Defense Blog says that this new plane is being developed by China's 601 Aircraft Design Institute/Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. It appears to be the very first flying prototype, serial 001.

As if we didn't have enough problems with China developing one stealth plane, now they have two in the works. And in a quite advanced state, according to these photos. [CDB and CDB]

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Refs:

Leaked Photos Show a New Chinese Fifth Generation Stealth Jet Fighter

China Defense Blog: Could this be first photos of J-21/J-31, SAC/601's answer to Chengdu's J-20?
 
J-31 is better than the F-22. It's more stealthy too. And it doesn't suffocate the pilot from the lack of oxygen.
J-31 is far more advanced than the F-35.

We will be able to thrash the US military just like during the Korean War.

Man oh man, this is a good one!!! lol. You made my day!!
 
J-31 is better than the F-22. It's more stealthy too. And it doesn't suffocate the pilot from the lack of oxygen.
J-31 is far more advanced than the F-35.

We will be able to thrash the US military just like during the Korean War.

You sir, remind me some of our lovely neighbors:azn::

We knew about the Chengdu J-20—China's fifth generation stealth fighter. As it turns out, it's not the only one. According to China Defense Blog, this is the J-21/J31. It looks even more like the F-22 Raptor than the Chengdu.

China Defense Blog says that this new plane is being developed by China's 601 Aircraft Design Institute/Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. It appears to be the very first flying prototype, serial 001.

As if we didn't have enough problems with China developing one stealth plane, now they have two in the works. And in a quite advanced state, according to these photos. [CDB and CDB]

41704531.jpg


18590776.jpg


65802244.jpg


88917767.jpg



Refs:

Leaked Photos Show a New Chinese Fifth Generation Stealth Jet Fighter

China Defense Blog: Could this be first photos of J-21/J-31, SAC/601's answer to Chengdu's J-20?

In fact, there are more than just 2 "stealthy" projects going on. XAC is also developing a stealth jet (Not JH7B) which is far larger and has different role. Both CAC and SAC have at least 2 stealth jet projects going on.
 
parked where engine trial runs are carried out:

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taxing imminent。
 

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