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The Shenyang supervisor would say "We can't, we don't have money and time to design a new airframe. So just produce that damned F-35 drawings that we have".
Just look at Chengdu, J-10 struggled for like 20 years and J-20 already spent like 10 years in development and 7 more years to go. That's what it takes to design a new jet.
Haha, you don't think you are underestimating someone, perhaps? These are the people who built the Sino-Flanker. They knew way before they got their hands on the F-35 drawings what a flat design like the PAK FA could achieve. They modified much of the plane body as you can see from the side-shot. You think it's just too hard from them to flatten the body a bit while they were at it? It's still a prototype and airframes change. If they wanted to, they could flatten the body in future prototypes (pre-production).
If you are just stuck thinking the Chinese don't have the time, money, and foresight (or current initiative, for that matter) to flatten a jet body (which could be the deal-maker or deal-breaker when the PLAAF and PLAN evaluate it), then I guess you just don't know the Chinese. It's not just the Chinese; I don't think anyone capable of working on a serious design of any kind has the type of incompetence you describe.
J-20 has 7 more years to go? Haha, wait and see. You eat out of your toilet if it enters service before 2019, how's that for a bet?
The truck is not a sports car. But even both do not share the same mission, both share certain basic foundations such as four wheels and a chassis? If an engineer at International cannot tell his counterpart at Lamborghini on how to design a sports car, the reciprocal also applies to the Lamborghini engineer as well regarding his counterpart at International on how to design a truck. But even so, both did not came to where they are at without a shared foundation such as shared education in mechanical engineering, electrical engineering, materials, and so on...Gambit, the truck driver may know more than me, but I know he doesn't know enough to tell me how the next Lamborghini should be designed. Understand this: just because you flew jets for 20 years doesn't mean you know how to design a stealth fighter. You may know more than the layman, but you still don't know anything compared to people who design these things and you don't know enough to explain them accurately.
Now that is clearly the expected venture into 'Chinese physics'...I understand your concept of "Chinese physics" now. It means physics that are too complicated for you to understand. Any physics beyond your basic principles cartoon is considered "Chinese physics" by you. If you didn't learn it, it's considered Chinese.
Your founding principles google cartoon is trash. You heard it at orientation, googled up a pic, and thought this is the bible to making stealth jets. In all classes, we learn founding principles on the first day. If it was the third grade, those principles stood till the last day. In college, we learned exceptions as the class progressed. In a PhD level course, by the end of the course, the founding principles were shot so full of holes you'd fail the final for sure if you stuck by them because every test question was on how to solve an exception to the rule. The more complex, the less you can simply apply "founding principles" and you bring your google cartoon to discuss stealth jets like you know how things work. "Chinese physics" is all the exceptions and bypasses to your "founding principles".
Am sure you can tell that the authors of that paper are not American in origin.When the geometric dimension of an object is large enough (>λ, the quantity of creeping wave on the backward direction can be neglected.
Yes, because the man cannot even answer a single basic aviation question posed to him and yet boasted about his J-20 video that got my friends at Hill AFB and Raytheon laughing. It is the lack of knowledge of foundational principles, the ones you sneered at, that made him a laughing stock here on this and other corners of the Internet and among those who have relevant experience.Dude, I never saw the J-10 to F-35 video and even if I did see the title, I'd never click on it because I know the "vs." things by forum addicts are basically worth toenail clippings in terms of their ability to predict a real outcome. The jet you think would win is most highly probably the one your country made, no matter where you're from. (Iran: Our bootleg F-5 with 2 vertical stabilizers would totally kill the Raptor because this:..... LOL) Don't know why you brought it up at all, because a Chinese person once said it?
What was it you said about toenail clippings?My points:
1. J-31 seems to look like a F-22/F-35 hybrid so it probably incorporates the best of both, because it doesn't make sense to incorporate the worst of both.
2. Change in design usually reflects improvement.
3. I might be wrong; the true indicator of the jet's performance (other than war, of course) is whether or not the PLAN and PLAAF choose to buy it.
Korean's points:
1. It's not flat enough to be a maneuverable fighter. (Oh, really! Someone quickly tell Shenyang to flatten it, cus they didn't know that!)
2. The nose/cockpit/air intakes look like F-35 so it's sluggish. (Sure, no need to compare wings, stabilizers or anything, cus those don't matter in terms of maneuvering the jet.)
3. It must have low range because it has 2 engines and is roughly similarly sized to the F-35. (Sure, all engines are exactly the same in terms of fuel consumption. Also, the space that held a VTOL fan in the F-35 is probably filled with foam and bubble wrap in the Chinese version. Couldn't possibly be used for extra fuel or weapons bays.)
4. The Chinese probably stole the F-35 design, didn't analyze it despite massive criticism, and copied it with all its flaws. (Yeah, sounds like a good plan to me, must sound like a great plan to military scientists; let's do that.)
Instead of slamming other people's stealth fighters with analyses that has more holes in it than Swiss cheese after a shoot-out with Al Pacino (probably not as clever a joke as I thought LOL), Korean should be praying (or working on it, if he's that great) that the KFX gets off paper in the next decade.
If you think my arguments and Korean's arguments are the same in terms of assumptions, then it's pretty clear why you relegated from Air Force to internet forums.
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This is not about me but about the silent interested lay readers. If I do not speak up and debunk claims based on ignorance, you Chinese boys will be free to spread those same claims based on ignorance. I did not expect you to read what I posted, but just because you did not, it does not mean no one else did. If anything, more read than passed. Sad for your side, really.Forget it, Gambit. You are never going to convince anyone intelligent that you are an expert on stealth aircraft. I didn't read what you posted. It doesn't matter how many notches you wanna bump it up (it's still not even close to orientation level material for the guys who actually design stealth fighters) to make yourself look knowledgeable. You don't know jack squat because you don't work on stealth jets.
All the people who are qualified to comment are working on stealth jets. Other people know they don't know anything, like me. And then there's the last group who doesn't know anything but are too stupid to realize that they don't know and have a big ego so wanna look like they know. That's you and that will forever be you no matter how many diagrams or papers you post. Seriously, that's a lot of desperate effort to try to look smart because no one read your long boring pointless post.
The only way you would ever be considered knowledgeable is if you got a job and started designing stealth fighters. Short of that, the conclusion remains, you don't know shxxxt and people in Shenyang probably wipe their ***** with diagrams more complicated than the most complicated that you'll ever understand.
I guess that is why your man went to so much length to make that absurd video -- for those gullible and dumb enough in this age of video games to be so easily seduced with moving images instead of poring over boring printed words, like how real engineers did it BEFORE they entered their professions and jobs.Seriously, that's a lot of desperate effort to try to look smart because no one read your long boring pointless post.
Forget it, Gambit. You are never going to convince anyone intelligent that you are an expert on stealth aircraft. I didn't read what you posted. It doesn't matter how many notches you wanna bump it up (it's still not even close to orientation level material for the guys who actually design stealth fighters) to make yourself look knowledgeable. You don't know jack squat because you don't work on stealth jets.
All the people who are qualified to comment are working on stealth jets. Other people know they don't know anything, like me. And then there's the last group who doesn't know anything but are too stupid to realize that they don't know and have a big ego so wanna look like they know. That's you and that will forever be you no matter how many diagrams or papers you post. Seriously, that's a lot of desperate effort to try to look smart because no one read your long boring pointless post.
The only way you would ever be considered knowledgeable is if you got a job and started designing stealth fighters. Short of that, the conclusion remains, you don't know shxxxt and people in Shenyang probably wipe their arse with diagrams more complicated than the most complicated that you'll ever understand.
This is not about me but about the silent interested lay readers. If I do not speak up and debunk claims based on ignorance, you Chinese boys will be free to spread those same claims based on ignorance. I did not expect you to read what I posted, but just because you did not, it does not mean no one else did. If anything, more read than passed. Sad for your side, really.
I guess that is why your man went to so much length to make that absurd video -- for those gullible and dumb enough in this age of video games to be so easily seduced with moving images instead of poring over boring printed words, like how real engineers did it BEFORE they entered their professions and jobs.
Noooooooooo.....!!! Say that is not true...!!! Please...please...please...I beg of you...!!!Dude, you are just getting ridiculous. How can you say they don't matter when you haven't read them? Papers and thesis and other scientific publications are important materials for studies.
Tell you what, in any debate with you, if you treat me with respect, I will not use that phrase. However, based upon my experience with the Chinese members here, it will not be long before you get tire of seeing your fellow Chinese being challenged by someone who they considered to be of 'inferior' Asian stock, and will treat me with the same contempt as they have.And you sir, please don't use the phrase "you Chinese boys"