SAC FC-31 Stealth Fighter: News & Discussions

[kungfugymnast]

Ok, let's make a bet: I officially resign as a moderator if until year's end anything meaningful from an official respectable site has been confirmed in terms of a FC-31-deal to Iran. In return you stop posting BS and unsubstantial rumours for the given time, refrain from derailing threads with constant off-topic discussions.

And yes, otherwise I'll ban you in the same way I banned this other idiot for constantly proposing the J-20 is using a +240kN thrust serial WS-15 from day one.

Sure but if I win, I want you to stop banning people from posting things that are relevant example carrier topic and fighters that will be based there are still somewhat related. I was suspended just for asking you a question being struck off as violation

 

[serenity]

J-35 will be for PLAN air force division. No chance for export anywhere not even to Pakistan really. How much can factory build you guys think? From first product to delivering 20 per year in how long? Not enough for PLAN and export to Iran certainly. Iran does not require such expensive weapon and no way USA will attack Iran. They will not be able to win easily there in the mountains and such a large country. Much more weapons than people realize.

 

[Deino]

Sure but if I win, I want you to stop banning people from posting things that are relevant example carrier topic and fighters that will be based there are still somewhat related. I was suspended just for asking you a question being struck off as violation

Yes I will ... as promised, I will resign as a moderator if Iran gets this bird and NO, you were not banned for asking a question but for again and again posting unsubstantial claims and really stupid off-topic ideas in different threads after several warnings.

Anyway, welcome back

 

[kungfugymnast]

J-35 will be for PLAN air force division. No chance for export anywhere not even to Pakistan really. How much can factory build you guys think? From first product to delivering 20 per year in how long? Not enough for PLAN and export to Iran certainly. Iran does not require such expensive weapon and no way USA will attack Iran. They will not be able to win easily there in the mountains and such a large country. Much more weapons than people realize.

J-35 is likely to be different aircraft navalized stealth fighter reserved for PLAN due to China's requirements for combat radius to counter US F/A-18E and F-35C.

FC-31 is likely for export market to China close ally that is enemy of US such as Iran. If US sent in their F-35C and Iran send in conventional fighters will be disadvantage of having to perform evasive maneuver a lot at higher risk of being shit down. Imagine 2 AMRAAMs at a time. Since F-35C carries all 4x AMRAAM, Iran with FC-31 could carry 2x PL-10 & 2x PL12 and the F-35C might not be able to track the FC-31 above 10 miles forcing it to go visual range engagement. Both might go into dogfight if stealth only failed at less than 5 miles..

 

[serenity]

J-35 is likely to be different aircraft navalized stealth fighter reserved for PLAN due to China's requirements for combat radius to counter US F/A-18E and F-35C.

FC-31 is likely for export market to China close ally that is enemy of US such as Iran. If US sent in their F-35C and Iran send in conventional fighters will be disadvantage of having to perform evasive maneuver a lot at higher risk of being shit down. Imagine 2 AMRAAMs at a time. Since F-35C carries all 4x AMRAAM, Iran with FC-31 could carry 2x PL-10 & 2x PL12 and the F-35C might not be able to track the FC-31 above 10 miles forcing it to go visual range engagement. Both might go into dogfight if stealth only failed at less than 5 miles..

Really we will not see USA try to do something against Iran anymore. They cannot afford the money and will lose so many lives no president can afford. More possible for USA to have a war with China. We need J-35 much quicker and more J-35 we cannot afford to export even if it can make a lot of money.

 

[Deino]

J-35 is likely to be different aircraft navalized stealth fighter reserved for PLAN due to China's requirements for combat radius to counter US F/A-18E and F-35C.

FC-31 is likely for export market to China close ally that is enemy of US such as Iran. If US sent in their F-35C and Iran send in conventional fighters will be disadvantage of having to perform evasive maneuver a lot at higher risk of being shit down. Imagine 2 AMRAAMs at a time. Since F-35C carries all 4x AMRAAM, Iran with FC-31 could carry 2x PL-10 & 2x PL12 and the F-35C might not be able to track the FC-31 above 10 miles forcing it to go visual range engagement. Both might go into dogfight if stealth only failed at less than 5 miles..

Stop with this off topic BS or face just the next vacation.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Really we will not see USA try to do something against Iran anymore. They cannot afford the money and will lose so many lives no president can afford. More possible for USA to have a war with China. We need J-35 much quicker and more J-35 we cannot afford to export even if it can make a lot of money.

You heard @Deino no politics.

Maybe FC-31 vs F-35C in air combat still relevant. PLAAF might build more J-20 rather than source for FC-31 for its inventory. With recent heightened tension, j-20 is higher priority for its range to take on enemy fighters and ships before they enter missiles effective range. With electronic warfare where both sides deploy ECM, all missiles and radar effective range reduced as in Iraq Desert Storm, all air to air engagement took place below 30 miles.

New optronic sensor nowadays, the best from US FLIR sniper pod claimed it could designate target 20 miles away including air targets such as UFO. US doesn't have long range IR guided missiles. For FC-31 like J-11B, J-10C, J-20 comes with optronic sensor but it doesn't have long range IR guided missile neither. SU-30MKK has medium range IR guided R27T/ET that could launch guided by the optronic and will activate its IR seeker when target is near might be useful against F-35C.

 

[waja2000]

FC-31 is likely for export market to China close ally that is enemy of US such as Iran. If US sent in their F-35C and Iran send in conventional fighters will be disadvantage of having to perform evasive maneuver a lot at higher risk of being shit down. Imagine 2 AMRAAMs at a time. Since F-35C carries all 4x AMRAAM, Iran with FC-31 could carry 2x PL-10 & 2x PL12 and the F-35C might not be able to track the FC-31 above 10 miles forcing it to go visual range engagement. Both might go into dogfight if stealth only failed at less than 5 miles..

From politics point if view, is unlikely china will sell J-31/FC-31 to Iraq.
Iraq getting Su-35 easy than FC-31.

You heard @Deino no politics.

Maybe FC-31 vs F-35C in air combat still relevant. PLAAF might build more J-20 rather than source for FC-31 for its inventory. With recent heightened tension, j-20 is higher priority for its range to take on enemy fighters and ships before they enter missiles effective range. With electronic warfare where both sides deploy ECM, all missiles and radar effective range reduced as in Iraq Desert Storm, all air to air engagement took place below 30 miles.

New optronic sensor nowadays, the best from US FLIR sniper pod claimed it could designate target 20 miles away including air targets such as UFO. US doesn't have long range IR guided missiles. For FC-31 like J-11B, J-10C, J-20 comes with optronic sensor but it doesn't have long range IR guided missile neither. SU-30MKK has medium range IR guided R27T/ET that could launch guided by the optronic and will activate its IR seeker when target is near might be useful against F-35C.

F-35 advantage in "network" warfare. unless you have better than F-35 “network” and sensor, if not just become blind target for F-35, not mention J-31, even J-20 also facing difficulty againt F-35

 

[ozranger]

From politics point if view, is unlikely china will sell J-31/FC-31 to Iraq.
Iraq getting Su-35 easy than FC-31.

F-35 advantage in "network" warfare. unless you have better than F-35 “network” and sensor, if not just become blind target for F-35, not mention J-31, even J-20 also facing difficulty againt F-35

The so called network warfare is composed of distributed sensors, directional data links and satellite relays. China has no problem on that for their own, otherwise they won't be able to deploy a missile like the following,

Support for export products could be different case by case. However it can at least be arranged. A good example of such is UAE operating their Wing Loong fleet with satellite relay support provided by China.

 

[serenity]

Airforce missiles for long range long ago since before J-20 start developing ways for high altitude drone or satellite and AWACs guidance for hundreds of kilometer range until missile itself become close enough to switch on own detectors. Now J-20 can sneak to front to guide long range types of missiles even to small drone and fighters. Or use KJ guidance or near space drones. We saw pictures of WZ8 in fact have been used any years along with twin body drones like dragon and eagle.

Unfortunately J-20 can only carry such long range missiles on the wings but if launch from 300km away or more then there is no problem with stealth anyway so long range missiles honestly can launch from both J-16 and J-20. Even future bomber types will launch this and maybe H-6 upgrade because everything is remote guidance. With big shrapnel warhead cone, they can use range detector to take small and fast objects at hundreds of kilometers.

 

[Han Patriot]

5G technology and AI is related to this.

 

[kungfugymnast]

From politics point if view, is unlikely china will sell J-31/FC-31 to Iraq.
Iraq getting Su-35 easy than FC-31.



F-35 advantage in "network" warfare. unless you have better than F-35 “network” and sensor, if not just become blind target for F-35, not mention J-31, even J-20 also facing difficulty againt F-35

Eh, that is Iran Persian, not Babylonian Iraq that in my previous comments.

F35 network warfare is sure good and pretty sure US would have tested against their own ALQ-167/99 ECM. FC-31 still has satellite link and AWACS link, probably no radar sharing capability as in F-35 but still ok. All these F-35 network link only useful when they are up against enemy that has no advanced satellite view and less risk of exposing location when 1 F-35C far away with radar on to track enemy fighters while the rest of F-35C coming from other direction could engage enemies without having to turn on radar.

FC-31 will only be in trouble if their satellite & AWACS link susceptible to US jamming. If the jammer doesn't jam then FC-31 could stay off enemy's RWR using FLIR optronic IRST.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Airforce missiles for long range long ago since before J-20 start developing ways for high altitude drone or satellite and AWACs guidance for hundreds of kilometer range until missile itself become close enough to switch on own detectors. Now J-20 can sneak to front to guide long range types of missiles even to small drone and fighters. Or use KJ guidance or near space drones. We saw pictures of WZ8 in fact have been used any years along with twin body drones like dragon and eagle.

Unfortunately J-20 can only carry such long range missiles on the wings but if launch from 300km away or more then there is no problem with stealth anyway so long range missiles honestly can launch from both J-16 and J-20. Even future bomber types will launch this and maybe H-6 upgrade because everything is remote guidance. With big shrapnel warhead cone, they can use range detector to take small and fast objects at hundreds of kilometers.

If J-20 carried large PL-17 or PL-21 externally under wing, the pylon will still increase J-20 RCS even after launching missiles. J-11B, J-16 will carry the long range missiles instead while J-20 provides tracking while staying off enemy radar.

 

[Deino]

You heard @Deino no politics.

Sorry again to step in and eventually you have an issue in reading or understanding: It is NOT only against politics, but against anything off-topic and you are again far, far away ...

Therefore STOP with any discussion on Iran, Iraq, ME or whatever as long as it is not related to the Chinese military, the PLAAF & PLAN and especially as thgis topic says, the FC-31.

If you want to continue with these fantasies of an Iranian purchase and its possible use against the F-35, there is an Iranian section in this forum.

 

[serenity]

If J-20 carried large PL-17 or PL-21 externally under wing, the pylon will still increase J-20 RCS even after launching missiles. J-11B, J-16 will carry the long range missiles instead while J-20 provides tracking while staying off enemy radar.

No the stealth fighter one can drop away. The latch is hidden and can be retracted and cover moves while pylon part drop away. Very expensive waste but for the desire goal it is only way.

J-20 not only use with 6 PL-15x and 2 PL-10. We see it carry four heavy fuel tanks under wings. J-20 will require to carry many long range and large heavy weapons under wings and for internal weapons as air defence.