SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

[Trailer23]

Hi my friend if possible to translate it into English point wise will be appreciated

That's a whole lotta translating to cover...

 

[Sucha Kuggu]

Can't imagine Pakistan buying a Chinese fighter aircraft that the Chinese won't buy themselves unless it's designed specifically for Pakistan like the FC-1 Fierce Dragon / JF-17 Thunder.

My be insider know better but do you thing China is so dying for Pakistan to do that solely for Pakistan, This very much like CPEC that Pakistan thinks it for them only may be (20/80 Pak/China). It always good to be optimistic but as far as army is concerned I have no doubt, but if you see Chines projects in Punjab they had just lotted us, after offer rainbows of transportation Metros and Line which soled to us.
in Urdu we call it if you want to be optimistic also be "mera ban na ban , apna tu ban"

 

[Readerdefence]

That's a whole lotta translating to cover...

Hi it’s true but then it’s useless if you cannot understand specifically on this forum
Thank you

 

[pzfz]

It's not even the environment. Let's say the environment is bad, then what is to stop the Pakistani government from creating gated communities with simplified tax-rates, decent wages, etc? If you're going to spend on defence R&D, then you can connect the labour-end as well and manage it properly. This is true for China as well. It wasn't as if China was always a great place to live, some olive branches had to have been given to Chinese expatriates.

People overplay the security situation card AND the expat card in a high tech development setup. None of these engineers will be working on the side of the road or in an high visibility environment - they're going to be working in a closed setup in the middle of nowhere where they are protected (see the nuclear program). Pak's lack of development in high tech industry is the result of the usual myopia, laziness, corruption, overall lack of vision which translates into the incompetence you see today. Have a vision, set some verifiable goals, enact and implement proper economic and tech levers (just the start) and you'll have something, anything, after a while. As long as defense production and defense tech positions are military controlled and babu staffed thinking that it's a place to retire or a way for paid overseas trips nothing is going to change. Fresh and innovative thinking are anathema to a status-quo preferring military. Pak can't even recognize that there is a problem, how is going to begin solving it?

Even with the supposed necessity of security Pak still wouldn't have progressed. Even without the security, Pak could've (and could still) still progressed if it had a coherent and actionable strategy.

 

[TOTUU]

People overplay the security situation card AND the expat card in a high tech development setup. None of these engineers will be working on the side of the road or in an high visibility environment - they're going to be working in a closed setup in the middle of nowhere where they are protected (see the nuclear program). Pak's lack of development in high tech industry is the result of the usual myopia, laziness, corruption, overall lack of vision which translates into the incompetence you see today. Have a vision, set some verifiable goals, enact and implement proper economic and tech levers (just the start) and you'll have something, anything, after a while. As long as defense production and defense tech positions are military controlled and babu staffed thinking that it's a place to retire or a way for paid overseas trips nothing is going to change. Fresh and innovative thinking are anathema to a status-quo preferring military. Pak can't even recognize that there is a problem, how is going to begin solving it?

Even with the supposed necessity of security Pak still wouldn't have progressed. Even without the security, Pak could've (and could still) still progressed if it had a coherent and actionable strategy.

I very much agree with you . Especially this sentence--“Have a vision, set some verifiable goals, enact and implement proper economic and tech levers (just the start) and you'll have something, anything, after a while.”----
China is did that , The United States, Japan, and Germany actually do the same . When we are backward and poor, learning others technology is more important than innovation.When we are students , our most important thing is to learn, not to innovate ，When we got to the university, we learn and innovative .


Gross domestic spending on R&D
China very low , but slowly growing .
https://data.oecd.org/rd/gross-domestic-spending-on-r-d.htm

 

[Fawadqasim1]

My be insider know better but do you thing China is so dying for Pakistan to do that solely for Pakistan, This very much like CPEC that Pakistan thinks it for them only may be (20/80 Pak/China). It always good to be optimistic but as far as army is concerned I have no doubt, but if you see Chines projects in Punjab they had just lotted us, after offer rainbows of transportation Metros and Line which soled to us.
in Urdu we call it if you want to be optimistic also be "mera ban na ban , apna tu ban"

Those were not part of cpec those were requests of gungas
That too on a very high markup rates i.e 8%.

 

[Star Expedition]

Size matters:
With J-20
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With J-16
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It is also about the same size as the F-35, although with twin engines, while the f-35 is sigle engined.
Is it an advantage?
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thanks for the beautiful pictures.
before J31, F35 is just a little chicken while F22 is big hen.
hahaha.

Pak FA is such a pretty. I hope we can get 10.

 

[Dazzler]

Same with F35

F-35 has an RCS of 0.005m2

 

[LKJ86]

F-35 has an RCS of 0.005m2

Who knows?

 

[Dazzler]

Who knows?

True, but at least the internet sources claim that. The real thing may be different. But, why would the FC-31 designer reveal something as classified as RCS on a tv show? Propaganda?

http://mil-embedded.com/guest-blogs/radar-cross-section-the-measure-of-stealth/

 

[LKJ86]

True, but at least the internet sources claim that. The real thing may be different. But, why would the FC-31 designer reveal something as classified as RCS on a tv show? Propaganda?

http://mil-embedded.com/guest-blogs/radar-cross-section-the-measure-of-stealth/

You must know that FC-31 is for export.

Do you find such a tv show about J-20?

 

[Dazzler]

You must know that FC-31 is for export.

Do you find such a tv show about J-20?

Still, such sensitive matters should not be discussed else who would buy it? Stealth should remain just that, export or no export.

 

[LKJ86]

Still, such sensitive matters should not be discussed else who would buy it? Stealth should remain just that, export or no export.

If no one knows how good FC-31 is, who would buy it?
The RCS of F-35 is told to be 0.005m2, and does it matter?

 

[Dazzler]

If no one knows how good FC-31 is, who would buy it?
The RCS of F-35 is told to be 0.005m2, and does it matter?

(F35) Estimated by some blog vs (FC-31) designer exposing the RCS to the world. Do you see the difference?

 

[LKJ86]

(F35) Estimated by some blog vs (FC-31) designer exposing the RCS to the world. Do you see the difference?

RCS is a very complex stuff, and is changed with different angles.
You can almost get nothing from what the designer said, just like estimation from some blog.