SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate
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im not a hacker...china got the best hackers in the world!!!!
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According to my learning, twin-engine platform was in the list of PAF and it was mentioned that it will be procured after 2018. Could it be J-31? There is a more chance for it than not.
May be Chinese wanted to build something similar to F-35 but they later found their own design is even better and went along that route. Chinese are known to walk on the "two legs", they plan for the success as well as failure. This is also something which I have learned from Chinese fellows and employed in my professional life
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The French were the most active in industrial espionage in the US during the 70's and 80's ( and probably still doing it).
Just follow on the history of the F-16 and the all of a sudden Rafale design, I was amazed at the resemblance when it came out.
The J-31 won't have only some of the F-35 capabilities, but some of the F-22 too, which make it truly original with a combination of some very potent technologies and capabilities. It is a fighter plane that is optimized (by discarding all the shortcomings of both American stealth planes) to handle the jobs of a 4++ and a 5th generation fighter. China is being pragmatic, knowing that not everyone has worldwide interests to defend, it has concentrated on the best possibilities for a potent stealth fighter with potent capabilities. The F-31 was not designed to exactly match the F-35 or the F-22, but certainly to have some of their best characteristics in stealth technology and avionics combined, but not to the point where the US is (or still experimenting)... for the moment!
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1st impressive flight video of j-31
http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0423/v...5uZXQCL3Bvc3RfODM3Mzk1OF8xLmh0bWw=&bc=&type=0
http://static.youku.com/v1.0.0423/v...5uZXQCL3Bvc3RfODM3Mzk1OF8xLmh0bWw=&bc=&type=0
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J-31 is a very capable aircraft for Pakistan but it needs to mature further and will thus require at least 7 to 10 years to be operationally ready. Pl note that we had been discussing the procurement of J-10 for Pakistan since 2003 (or before) and after passing more than 10 years, it's not inducted in PAF yet but we are still expecting more mature & advance technology to be incorporated into it. Technology upgrade is mandatory but quantity gap should also be considered.
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New Chinese 5th Generation Fighter Jet--J31 Performs More Flight Tests
The J-31 continues flight testing at a Shenyang Aircraft Corporation research facility in northern China. As China's second fifth generation fighter, the J-31 makes China the second nation in the world, after the United States, to have flown two fifth generation fighters. With a length of about 17 meters and an 11.5m wingspan, the J-31 is about the size of the F-35 Lightning II and smaller than the F-22, J-20 and PAK-FA. A large model of the J-31, designated as "F-60", appeared at the Zhuhai 2012 Airshow, indicating a Chinese willingness to export the J-31 as a international competitor to the F-35. Once it enters service, the J-31 is likely to be serve alongside less numerous J-20s as part of a "high/low" combination, similar to the F-35/F-22 mix in the US Air Force. The J-31 is also likely to serve aboard future Chinese aircraft carriers, greatly enhancing their capabilities. Pakistan is likely to be the first export customer for the J-31, as Islamabad hopes to counter the Indian purchase of Russian FGFA stealth fighters.
The J-31 "Gyrfalcon" stealth fighter reportedly uses technology from the J-19, Shenyang's failed bid for the Chinese heavy 5th generation fighter (which the Chengdu J-20 won). The J-31 has conducted at least six test flights in Shenyang since fall 2012 and a second prototype is under assembly. Compared to censorship of some J-20 photos, there is less secrecy about the J-31's development.
To save weight, the J-31 uses an immense number of of 3D laser printed components, including titanium wing spars. Compared to the F-35, the J-31 uses two smaller Russian RD-33 engines instead of a larger engine like the AL-31 or WS-10. This gives the J-31 a flatter fuselage than the F-35; which suggests a more pronounced air superiority focus for the J-31, since a flatter fuselage results in a smaller weapons bay but improves fuel efficiency and speed by decreasing drag. It is likely that the J-31 could carry larger missiles like the YJ-12 anti-ship missile under its wings, but like with the F-35, at the cost of stealth. Vladimir Barkovsky, chief of the Russian MiG aircraft design bureau, has praised the J-31 as a "well done indigenous design" and "good machine" resulting from China's ambitious aviation industry.
New Chinese 5th Generation Fighter Jet--J31 Performs More Flight Tests | Popular Science
Many reports state that it will be ready in 2 to 3 years, which means that by 2018 to 2020 Pakistan can get its first squadrons of the J-31, the likelihood of Pakistan inducting them is quite big, since it has decided to skip the J-20s all together to wait for this stealth plane.
While I consider a 100 of these jets to constitute a good detterent, what is your take on this?
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Pakistanis will work harder to acquire anything of their desire, they know it and they have proven it too.
In fact, the J-31 will be inducted in PAF sooner than anyone can believe or imagine it. The same as the 6 new Qing class All electric and AIP Submarines.
In fact, the J-31 will be inducted in PAF sooner than anyone can believe or imagine it. The same as the 6 new Qing class All electric and AIP Submarines.
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The J-31 is likely to come into service around 2020 with the WS-13A engine producing 10,000kg of thrust.
It will only be able to fulfil it's true potential when, middle of next decade, the definite 5th generation engine with 11-12000kg of thrust is ready.
It will only be able to fulfil it's true potential when, middle of next decade, the definite 5th generation engine with 11-12000kg of thrust is ready.
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2020 is a pessimistic prediction, almost all experts convene to it to be ready in 2 to 3 years.The American F-35 took 7 to 8 years from initial tests to mass production (and still testing). The J-31 initial test (maiden flight) was in 2012, and due to the speed of which China can produce any weapon system, with the help of it super computers and 3d printing now a days, we can expect the J-31 to be ready in 2018. WS-13 or 13 A is already under tests with the J-10s, and at least the WS-13 went into production. But still Pakistan can power its J-31s with the Klimov engines in the mean time, or as from these known facts, their will be no need for Russian engines by that time.
There is a tip, and it is the skipping of the J-10B induction, eventhough one squadron was offered to Pakistan for free, or as a gift from China... The only other alternative on hand is the J-31 offered for export, it reminds one of the JF-17, although there is no evidence of PAF involvement in the project of the J-31, many reports state that some PAF engineers were participating in the project. Considering the low amount of money India had put down (a few hundred million dollars, less than $300 m as a down payment) for its participation in the Russian PAK-FA program, one can anticipate that Pakistan can also participate with a low down payment in a Chinese program of its interest.
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Nice try Mr.India
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