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SAC - FC-31 Grey Falcon Stealth aircraft for PAF : Updates & Debate

Photoshop, J-20 is too heavy for an aircraft carrier, there is a rumors that single engine and scale-down version of J-20 is in development for PLAAN:china:


bro in 2022-2025 time frame Pakistan economy is way better than todays, we can surely buy this jet at 2022-2025 time-frame from China and as for ROSE Mirage will replaced by JF-17blk-2-3:pakistan::china:

May ALLAH Bless Pakistan..!!
 
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Could these j/31 would be able to compete with rafael fighters which India is going to induct?
My answer is no. Buts comments are requested

If they are truly stealth/ 5th Gen fighters, then given the types of advanced electronics China is fielding currently including new AESA radars, as well as EOTS-89 and EORD-31 which were able to supposedly detect Raptors from 100km away, I would say yes, these would be more than a match for Rafale.
 
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If they are truly stealth/ 5th Gen fighters, then given the types of advanced electronics China is fielding currently including new AESA radars, as well as EOTS-89 and EORD-31 which were able to supposedly detect Raptors from 100km away, I would say yes, these would be more than a match for Rafale.
Yes it is truly 5th generation jet, why you are in doubt
But sir J-31 have weapon bays where Rafale have nothing rafale has bigger RCS then F-22 so definitely J-31 has been detected Rafale in excess of 100 Km
 
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Hi,

Out of the two---detecting the Raptor is the " easier part "---getting a lock on it where the real problem is---.

It maybe dancing 10 miles in front of you and you may not get a lock.

You need missile head that has a picture memory in it---once it sees the aircraft and matches it to the picture memory---it heads that way---.

If something like that can be designed---!!!
 
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Yes it is truly 5th generation jet, why you are in doubt
But sir J-31 have weapon bays where Rafale have nothing rafale has bigger RCS then F-22 so definitely J-31 has been detected Rafale in excess of 100 Km


But You are comparing apples with bananas !

The Rafale is a formidable, capable and mature fourth generation type with proven capabilities albeit certain limitations simply since it is a fourth generation fighter. The FC-31 is by now a concept demonstrator and a prototype. Not truly tested, far away from being mature and even more away from being operational against the Rafale, where is maybe could exploit its superiority it might have since it is a fifth generation project.

Deino
 
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we need to buy an other 4th generation plane or we need to fast step the acquisition of 5th generation of plan that is very dangerous if India start build F-16
But You are comparing apples with bananas !

The Rafale is a formidable, capable and mature fourth generation type with proven capabilities albeit certain limitations simply since it is a fourth generation fighter. The FC-31 is by now a concept demonstrator and a prototype. Not truly tested, far away from being mature and even more away from being operational against the Rafale, where is maybe could exploit its superiority it might have since it is a fifth generation project.

Deino

FC-31 going to be mature in 2 or 3 years and we need that plan more then ever
 
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You need missile head that has a picture memory in it---once it sees the aircraft and matches it to the picture memory---it heads that way---.
Visual spectrum memory retention is not new, but it is memory space intensive, especially under combat maneuvers. Further, there is the problem of design evolution.

Take a look at the JF-17 and the F-16. They are very similar in terms of basic design layout. Not identical, just similar but similar enough that unless you look at the details, you can mistake one for the other. This is not WW I where you can distinguish out the Baron's tri-plane design from the Camel's typical bi-plane design. Modern air forces' needs have moved beyond the %50 threshold towards multi-role multi-missions designs, which necessitates similar compromises.

For example, if you want three hardpoints per wing, taken into consideration of munitions you carry for that multi-role multi-missions requirement, your wing span will be very similar to another design's wing span.

So for your visual spectrum identification design, you will need a higher than typical memory space capability, plus the processing power, then coupled them with high resolution optics, which is not new but can be physically imposing since now you must protect the optics from shock and environment.

The system will have to remember the physical details of the JF-17 and the F-16 since the major structures are similar enough to each other. Do you want the pilot to have any inputs like the current optical guidance system ? Air-air combat is not the same as going after a tank or a fixed SAM station. The tank is an excellent example of design similarities. All tanks pretty much looks alike. You need human guidance to tell the Abrams from the Leopard.

What you asks for is not impossible. We already have the basic technologies, although they are spread out thru other weapons systems. For an air-air missile that have sensor integration of optical identification with radar returns will require a dedicated program with its own 'untouchable' financing to achieve design goals.
 
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Can anyone confirm Pakistan participation in FC-31 program?
 
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But You are comparing apples with bananas !

The Rafale is a formidable, capable and mature fourth generation type with proven capabilities albeit certain limitations simply since it is a fourth generation fighter. The FC-31 is by now a concept demonstrator and a prototype. Not truly tested, far away from being mature and even more away from being operational against the Rafale, where is maybe could exploit its superiority it might have since it is a fifth generation project.

Deino
sorry sir my bad i am wrong, you are right:angel::tup:
 
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FC-31 going to be mature in 2 or 3 years and we need that plan more then ever


Sorry again, if I'm not that optimistic ! What happened within the last two years ??? Not that much and even if the FC-31 will have a similar schedule akin to the J-20, which even more is a fully-state-baked high-priority program, it will never be mature within 2-3 years. At best also comparable within 5 years and only a proper budget is founded...
 
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Now PAF needs to do something because enemy is gaining technological edge with every passing moment.
 
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we need to buy an other 4th generation plane or we need to fast step the acquisition of 5th generation of plan that is very dangerous if India start build F-16


FC-31 going to be mature in 2 or 3 years and we need that plan more then ever

Hi,

When we tell you guys that a conventional aircraft would mature in 8-10-12 years and the 5th gen maybe around 10-20 years for a first time aircraft---then you need to show your intellect to learn and understand how it works---.

There is such rash of these thoughtless posts from young pakistanis---.
 
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Hi,

When we tell you guys that a conventional aircraft would mature in 8-10-12 years and the 5th gen maybe around 10-20 years for a first time aircraft---then you need to show your intellect to learn and understand how it works---.

There is such rash of these thoughtless posts from young pakistanis---.

There are also those Pakistani who think they are PAF general by the way they said JF-17 is a waste of money and know defending it and these old people think are the master of the forum

Em saying Block update of FC-31 like JF-17 buy it in like TOT agreement as we did with JF-17 that will put Indian investment down the drain is that too much thought to get through your old skull we will have advantage over SU-30 and Rafale IF you put your money in 2 year and after that in 5 year you will have FC-31 which will give us 7 year in total which will also give it time to be more mature
 
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