Saab Gripen ‘Rips Apart’ Chinese J-11 Fighters In War Games; Experts Call Them ‘Sitting Ducks’ For Rafales

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

J-20 rips about Gripen. What's your point?

So basically the chinese were at top in WVR combat but lost in BVR. In BVR it was mostly AMRAAM against PL12, and we know AMRAAM outranges PL12. What will happen if same exercise conducted with J11s armed with PL15.
Also note the WVR missile wad PL8 and not PL10.

No surprise there. Su-27 is much faster than Gripen. Su-27 kills Gripen in WVR the way the faster F6F killed Zero in WVR due to faster speed.

 

[GiantPanda]

The PLAAF basically used an older and one of its oldest aircraft, old outdated Russian AA missiles and took a handicap to simulate an airforce similar to Vietnam engaging the Thai Airforce. But the trolls wont care and continue dabbling on and knowingly parotting lies to fuel their inferiority complex over China.

The biggest thing they want to lie about is that they tried to suggest the PL-12 was used when the original report from PLAAF senior pilot Li stated explicitly that the RVV-AE (R-77) was used by the J-11A and that the RVV-AE was not only outranged by the the AMRAAM but had to be fired one at a time while the AMRAAM can be rippled fired up to four to every one of the RVV-AE.

There were NO PL-12 in the 2015 exercise. The reason they tried to lie about this is because the R-77 and R-27 that the J-11A used were the same ones that form nearly the entire Indian BVR arsenal.

This exercise invalidated basically all current Indian BVR ability against PAF AMRAAMs except for the handful of Rafales.

There is a reason why the SU-30MKI couldn't get a shot off and can only spend time dodging.

 

[Pandora]

SU-30 MKIs are sitting ducks for PAF and PLAAF.

SU-30 MKIs have poor BVR and no stealth.

The less we talk about IAF pilot training and skills or lack thereof the better.

PAF & PLAAF AWACS and ADS will swat IAF SU-30MKIs like mosquitoes.

India should have gone for 126 F-21s and another dozen S-400 systems but Modi and IAF leadership is only interested in making money through the corrupt French Rafale deal.

RIP Indian military and IAF.


The only reason Indian went for Rafales is because the French greased the palms and filled up the pockets of Modi and IAF.

What a moronic comment.

SU 30 has excellent BVR capacities you just utilized it for a role for which it wasn't designed. As for stealth there is no aircraft in Indian or Pakistani inventory which exhibits even little bit of stealth. Even Rafale when mounted with full payload lights up like a Christmas tree on a radar. You clearly have no idea about modern combat tactics and just blurting out useless comments. You lost on 27 Feb bcz we got you pants down with our full spectrum of abilities. As i said earlier SU30 is an excellent machine and i pretty sure IAF war planner agree with me. We utlised Mirages which were built in 1960s to attack you does that mean they were superior to SU30?

Like i said India was caught unprepared by tactics which havnt been fully utilized by any airforce in this modern era. You were defeated by incompetence of your airforce not your war machines.

 

[Surya 1]

Yes and the article also says J-11A won and beat the Gripen C in WVR dogfight.

How can non-BVR 1990s fighter with old R-77 beat 2000s Gripen C with AIM-120? Of course the BVR fight is worthless comparison. We don't use J-11A for BVR. We have J-11B, J-10A B C, J-16, J-20 for BVR.

So basically your article linked proves PLAAF is better in dogfighting than Thai airforce using Gripen. J-11A is even in PLAAF not even close to being the best dogfighter. Next time read more than just the title and you will see better details.

I'm sure F-16A would lose in BVR against something like J-10A. F-16A is not capable of full BVR like J-11A. Radar guidance is hopeless even for medium range missiles at useful range.

No it is not. The version of gripen used is 13+6 is 19 years old today without any upgrade. I am not talking about even Gripen E which can out natch any chinese fighter but even upgraded Gripen C with something like python 5 and better radar can easily win even within visual range combat.

The point to be noted here is that if Gripen can shoot down Chinese fighter from a BVR distance, how would WVR combat will happen?

 

[Mugwop]

Thats right. China admit everything. Nothing to be ashamed off.

And China gotten what they wanted. (My last sentence is most important)


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[serenity]

No it is not. The version of gripen used is 13+6 is 19 years old today without any upgrade. I am not talking about even Gripen E which can out natch any chinese fighter but even upgraded Gripen C with something like python 5 and better radar can easily win even within visual range combat.

The point to be noted here is that if Gripen can shoot down Chinese fighter from a BVR distance, how would WVR combat will happen?

No sorry Gripen E cannot outmatch any Chinese fighter. You want to believe it is fine.

Lol So J-10 can shoot down F-16A from BVR distance so J-10 can shooot down American fighter from BVR. We win!

Your stupid indian logic.

It's already been explained J-11A is indeed shit in BVR but J-11A is our oldest 4th generation fighter. So why do you compare J-11A's BVR performance with everything else PLAAF has with real BVR? Like J-11B, J-10A, J-10B, J-10C, J-15, Su-30mkk, Su-30MK2, Su-35, J-16, and J-20.

I see why indians cannot understand this and why you guys are so shit at everything.

F-15A vs Su-30SM in BVR means Su-30SM wins BVR always. Does that mean USAF is defeated by RuAF?

Indians only able to focus on one thing they like to hear and ignore everything else. Just like you.

 

[Surya 1]

Gripen C/D has 1.5 to 2 Sq meter of RCS while Tejas Mk1 has 0.5 Sq meter while Mk1A has 0.1 to 0.2 Sq meter. Tejas is equiped with best in class wvr missiles such as python 5, ASRAM while it has a great BVR options like I derby, Astra Mk1, Mk2 and Meteor when UTTTAM AESA is ready. MBDA has offered India to make meteor II , the much advance version of Meteor 1. I dont know how much chance does Chinese fighters have against the beast like Tejas?

 

[serenity]

Gripen C/D has 1.5 to 2 Sq meter of RCS while Tejas Mk1 has 0.5 Sq meter while Mk1A has 0.1 to 0.2 Sq meter. Tejas is equiped with best in class wvr missiles such as python 5, ASRAM while it has a great BVR options like I derby, Astra Mk1, Mk2 and Meteor when UTTTAM AESA is ready. MBDA has offered India to make meteor II , the much advance version of Meteor 1. I dont know how much chance does Chinese fighters have against the beast like Tejas?

No chinki maal has any chance against Indian airforce come on. Tejas is the crown jewel and Rafale can handle every thing in PLAAF. China will want to copy Indian uttam because China has no AESA ability and of course missiles is even more obvious.

India leads world in science and technology and has the best weapons along with the USA.

Tejas Mk1 will have 0.5 sqm rcs and MK1a will have 0.1 MK1B will have 0.01 and MK3 will have 0m^2 RCS. TEDBF and AMCA will have -100.1m^2 RCS and be like black hole sucking in missiles but have no damage. Jai Hind!

 

[Surya 1]

No sorry Gripen E cannot outmatch any Chinese fighter. You want to believe it is fine.

Lol So J-10 can shoot down F-16A from BVR distance so J-10 can shooot down American fighter from BVR. We win!

Your stupid indian logic.

It's already been explained J-11A is indeed shit in BVR but J-11A is our oldest 4th generation fighter. So why do you compare J-11A's BVR performance with everything else PLAAF has with real BVR? Like J-11B, J-10A, J-10B, J-10C, J-15, Su-30mkk, Su-30MK2, Su-35, J-16, and J-20.

I see why indians cannot understand this and why you guys are so shit at everything.

F-15A vs Su-30SM in BVR means Su-30SM wins BVR always. Does that mean USAF is defeated by RuAF?

Indians only able to focus on one thing they like to hear and ignore everything else. Just like you.

Teling my argument Stupid Indian logic will not change outcome of the excercise. Chinese fighter has been exposed. Now, you can give any argument to protect it but that will not change the outcome of the exercise. It has already happened. while you argue that j11 is the oldest fighter China has, you should also remember that Gripen used is also 2 decades old. if you argue that China has improved since then, than you should also consider the new Gripens which comes with metor, AESA and other much better missiles and much better active electronics scan array radar which is far better than that of China.

No chinki maal has any chance against Indian airforce come on. Tejas is the crown jewel and Rafale can handle every thing in PLAAF. China will want to copy Indian uttam because China has no AESA ability and of course missiles is even more obvious.

India leads world in science and technology and has the best weapons along with the USA.

Tejas Mk1 will have 0.5 sqm rcs and MK1a will have 0.1 MK1B will have 0.01 and MK3 will have 0m^2 RCS. TEDBF and AMCA will have -100.1m^2 RCS and be like black hole sucking in missiles but have no damage. Jai Hind!

Your sarcasm can not change the reality. Chinese mall is exposed.

 

[serenity]

Gripen C used is from 2002 as earliest production.

J-11A is Su-27SK which is from 1992 as earliest production.

Assuming the same platform is used, that is roughly about 10 years difference in platform design and equipment it uses onboard.

Let's compare 2020 Chinese fighter with 2010 Indian fighter. J-20 vs ... ohhh nothing.

Indian stupidity and ways exposed again.

But don't worry your india will have mark 5 super tejas with -100m^2 RCS soon and supapowa here you come.

 

[GumNaam]

Gripen C used is from 2002 as earliest production.

J-11A is Su-27SK which is from 1992 as earliest production.

Assuming the same platform is used, that is roughly about 10 years difference in platform design and equipment it uses onboard.

Let's compare 2020 Chinese fighter with 2010 Indian fighter. J-20 vs ... ohhh nothing.

Indian stupidity and ways exposed again.

But don't worry your india will have mark 5 super tejas with -100m^2 RCS soon and supapowa here you come.

tejaaaaaaaas! supa dupa pawa tejaaaaaaaaaaaas!

 

[Surya 1]

Gripen C used is from 2002 as earliest production.

J-11A is Su-27SK which is from 1992 as earliest production.

Assuming the same platform is used, that is roughly about 10 years difference in platform design and equipment it uses onboard.

Let's compare 2020 Chinese fighter with 2010 Indian fighter. J-20 vs ... ohhh nothing.

Indian stupidity and ways exposed again.

But don't worry your india will have mark 5 super tejas with -100m^2 RCS soon and supapowa here you come.

Stupid argument. While making comparison, Su 27 induction time is used (From which J11 is copied) rather than that of J11 and as if radar and missiles were also of 1992.

 

[serenity]

Stupid argument. While making comparison, Su 27 induction time is used (From which J11 is copied) rather than that of J11 and as if radar and missiles were also of 1992.

Look it up.

We started producing Su-27SK kits as J-11 and then J-11A starting in 1992. It has not been upgraded at all because the upgrade is J-11B. Guess what we sent to Thailand? J-11A of the 1992 era until J-11B production started.

Missiles use R-77 and the old ones. You are simply wrong but ahh whatever man. You indians are impossible to talk to. Still thinking Uttam is god after 5 years of not even being able to use it in service. Done with you loser. Carry on with your war of perception. You lose everything else and totally shit everywhere else.

 

[Surya 1]

Indian self felatio at its best.....Before 27/2 SU-30 was their God and Now even before operational use Raphale is their new God.....What a poni God they choose.

Like Jf 17 is your god which the manufacturer shies away to induct it?

 

[Maarkhoor]

Like Jf 17 is your god which the manufacturer shies away to induct it?