S. Korean heads to China for study the most, instead of U.S.

[Bussard Ramjet]

S. Korean heads to China for study the most, instead of U.S.



China became the country where the most number of Korean students heading for studies, outrunning the number of Korean students in the all-time favorite United States.

According to data released by the Ministry of Education and Human Resources on Sunday, 29.8 percent or 66,672 students out of the total 223,908 who are seeking higher education abroad including those in foreign language programs are studying in China as of April 1.

The U.S. that had been Korean’s favorite for academic programs became the country with the second largest number of Koreans studying in the country with 63,710 students or 28.5 percent of the total. It is the first time for the number of Korean students studying in China to exceed that in the U.S.

The number of Korean students studying in China had surpassed 60,000 for the first time in 2009 and the number had stayed more or less around that level until this year when the number stretched by 3,749 students compared to the same period last year.

The U.S. that traditionally had been the most popular country among Koreans for overseas studies has slowly lost its popularity after reaching the peak in 2010 with 75,000 Koreans studying in the country and the number contracted by 4,395 on year to 63,000 students this year.

By academic programs, the U.S. still remains as the most favored country for those seeking bachelor’s degree or higher with 82 percent of Korean students studying at universities or graduate schools in the U.S. while 65 percent or 43,489 Korean students in China were in Chinese language or other secondary study programs.

The number of Koreans studying in either China or the U.S. took 58.2 percent of the total 223,908 Koreans studying abroad. Australia followed China and the U.S. with 16,251 or 7.3 percent of the total overseas Korean students, outrunning the number of those studying in Japan with 15,279 Korean students or 6.8 percent of the total.

In Europe, Ireland to where only about several Koreans had headed for studies showed sharp growth with on-year addition of 3,012 Korean students this year.

http://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2016&no=789562

 

[shadows888]

S. Korean heads to China for study the most, instead of U.S.



China became the country where the most number of Korean students heading for studies, outrunning the number of Korean students in the all-time favorite United States.

According to data released by the Ministry of Education and Human Resources on Sunday, 29.8 percent or 66,672 students out of the total 223,908 who are seeking higher education abroad including those in foreign language programs are studying in China as of April 1.

The U.S. that had been Korean’s favorite for academic programs became the country with the second largest number of Koreans studying in the country with 63,710 students or 28.5 percent of the total. It is the first time for the number of Korean students studying in China to exceed that in the U.S.

The number of Korean students studying in China had surpassed 60,000 for the first time in 2009 and the number had stayed more or less around that level until this year when the number stretched by 3,749 students compared to the same period last year.

The U.S. that traditionally had been the most popular country among Koreans for overseas studies has slowly lost its popularity after reaching the peak in 2010 with 75,000 Koreans studying in the country and the number contracted by 4,395 on year to 63,000 students this year.

By academic programs, the U.S. still remains as the most favored country for those seeking bachelor’s degree or higher with 82 percent of Korean students studying at universities or graduate schools in the U.S. while 65 percent or 43,489 Korean students in China were in Chinese language or other secondary study programs.

The number of Koreans studying in either China or the U.S. took 58.2 percent of the total 223,908 Koreans studying abroad. Australia followed China and the U.S. with 16,251 or 7.3 percent of the total overseas Korean students, outrunning the number of those studying in Japan with 15,279 Korean students or 6.8 percent of the total.

In Europe, Ireland to where only about several Koreans had headed for studies showed sharp growth with on-year addition of 3,012 Korean students this year.

http://pulsenews.co.kr/view.php?year=2016&no=789562

I think one major reason is the cost at american universities is out of control. and a degree at any american university unless it's ivy league or equivalent no longer holds significant advantages.

 

[Mo12]

is it because chinese courses are not taught in english?

 

[Nilgiri]

I think one major reason is the cost at american universities is out of control. and a degree at any american university unless it's ivy league or equivalent no longer holds significant advantages.

Yup over-leveraged seigniorage of US dollar....and over-priced branding of US institutions.

 

[TaiShang]

is it because chinese courses are not taught in english?

No. Not all Koreans are fluent in Chinese. There are lots of English programs in major universities in China.

The reasons are likely:

1. Geographic and cultural proximity
2. China's rising standards
3. Crime and declining standards in the US
4. Korean , as well as Japanese, students' long term plans to stay, get employed and live in China
5. More options for employment, decent housing, affordable accommodation costs.

The trend will continue. China is already largest or second largest destination for overseas students. Most of them are either from neighboring countries or the Third World.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

No. Not all Koreans are fluent in Chinese. There are lots of English programs in major universities in China.

The reasons are likely:

1. Geographic and cultural proximity
2. China's rising standards
3. Crime and declining standards in the US
4. Korean , as well as Japanese, students' long term plans to stay, get employed and live in China
5. More options for employment, decent housing, affordable accommodation costs.

The trend will continue. China is already largest or second largest destination for overseas students. Most of them are either from neighboring countries or the Third World.

As a fellow Confucian Nation, China should grant the citizens of countries like Korea/Japan/Vietnam and others very easy access to visa, permanent residency and eventually citizenship.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

As a fellow Confucian Nation, China should grant the citizens of countries like Korea/Japan/Vietnam and others very easy access to visa, permanent residency and eventually citizenship.

LOL and what is good for China to grant them these preferential favor?

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

LOL and what is good for China to grant them these preferential favor?

Many things:

1. Immigrants would add to the labor pool
2. They would increase cultural ties with these neighbors, and increase China's soft power over them.
3. Migrants from Vietnam can satisfy both China's shortage of men, as well as shortage of labor
4. It can be step towards establishing the Sinosphere.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Many things:

1. Immigrants would add to the labor pool
2. They would increase cultural ties with these neighbors, and increase China's soft power over them.
3. Migrants from Vietnam can satisfy both China's shortage of men, as well as shortage of labor
4. It can be step towards establishing the Sinosphere.

1- Add to labor pool or more likely take away job opportunity from Chinese people.
2- Cultural ties? Are you kidding me? These people look down on Chinese when we're poor and ungrateful Japanese not only came to China to learn our culture in ancient time but reward us by spilling our brothers and sisters' blood in WW2.
3- Shortage of men? ..I think you mean shortage of woman...LMAO
4- Sinosphere? nah with 1.4 billion and with 50 million overseas Chinese + Taiwan, we have enough to form a realm of Sinosphere, that's the most tangible reality...we call that "The Chinese connection" but we don't dream to have nations such Korea, Vietnam and Japan to be part of Sinosphere, they are welcome to join if they like.

 

[TaiShang]

1. What matters is quality, not quantity. I guess we would be happy to get the best from China proper, preferably the Confucius realm. But, labor shortage? What's the automation for?

2. That's I agree, in part, but, we are so close and connected in many ways throughout history, If, by now, we had no influence upon them, then, I do not think we will be able to influence them in this age of multiple connectivities all around the world.

3. Let's rule out Vietnam, because they are a proud nation and they have their own development goals which will require lots of labor power. Vietnam will likely emerge as the strongest ASEAN country; I do not think it desires to become cheap labor pool for China. As for talent pool, I think we would better to look exceptional for talent in Japan, Korea and Singapore.

4. There is Confucius realm but there is no such Sino-sphere other than, as @Kiss_of_the_Dragon says, Greater China area.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

1- Add to labor pool or more likely take away job opportunity from Chinese people.
2-Cultural tie? are you kidding me? These people look down on Chinese when we're poor and ungracefull Japanese not only came to China to learn our culture in ancient time but reward us by spilling our brothers and sisters blood in WW2.
3- shortage of men? ..I think you mean shortage of woman...LMAO
4-Sinosphere? nah with 1.4 billions and with 50 millions oversea Chinese + Taiwan, we have enough to form a realm of Sino sphere, that's the most tangible reality...we call that "The Chinese connection" but We don't dream to have nations such Korea, Vietnam and Japan to be part of sinosphere, they are welcome to join if they like.

1. You are talking like typical westerner. Chinese people are known for their ability to work hard, and excel. If they are made to sit in a protected environment, without competition, they will soon loose out competitiveness. Any person who can loose out his/her job to a poor Vietnamese, was not worthy of that job anyways.

2. Again, what Japan did was because you were weak. But through out history, if you want to establish a sphere of influence you will have to create linkages with others.

3. Yeah, shortage of women.

4. Lol. Almost all Chinese here keep crying about their sphere of influence and how US should just leave this area. If you really want that to happen, you will have to form deep linkages, at political, cultural, social, economic levels with surrounding countries.

Korea/Vietnam/Japan have always been a part of Sinosphere. There is no reason why China should not open doors to them again.

1. What matters is quality, not quantity. I guess we would be happy to get the best from China proper, preferably the Confucius realm. But, labor shortage? What's the automation for?

2. That's I agree, in part, but, we are so close and connected in many ways throughout history, If, by now, we had no influence upon them, then, I do not think we will be able to influence them in this age of multiple connectivities all around the world.

3. Let's rule out Vietnam, because they are a proud nation and they have their own development goals which will require lots of labor power. Vietnam will likely emerge as the strongest ASEAN country; I do not think it desires to become cheap labor pool for China. As for talent pool, I think we would better to look exceptional for talent in Japan, Korea and Singapore.

4. There is Confucius realm but there is no such Sino-sphere other than, as @Kiss_of_the_Dragon says, Greater China area.

1. Both quality and quantity are very important.
Hitler learnt it the hard way against Soviets, when he overestimated the importance of quality.
Japanese have been learning this for the past 2 decades, where their quality hasn't been able to do much for them as a nation.
Also, automation and technology has been a historical process, that has always displaced jobs. Until the industrial revolution, close to 90% of the population used to be employed in agriculture.

The fact of the matter is that with technology, the quality of labor and its productivity increases, and the labor just does more productive jobs.

In the globalized world of today, where capital, technology, and skills are easily available, the quality factor is getting less and less important to determine the place of nations.

Quantity still plays a huge role, and it will play an even larger role in the decades ahead, as human productivity across landscapes converges.

2. You underestimate. China has had a LOT of influence on these nations in the past. A prime example is Korea, which kept its alliance with China all until the Japanese invaded. If that influence had been absent, Korea would never have been a Chinese ally.

But only history can't determine today's influence.

In the past, any person from the Sinosphere could become Chinese. Han as an ethnicity is a recent notion. At that time, what worked was the concept of Hua.

So Zhong-guo never had any problem accepting and assimilating anyone it considered civilized, or Hua. (which in today's world can be considered to feel culturally Chinese)

Only, when you re-establish your soft power and influence in this region, can you decrease US influence in this region.

Imagine if normal Vietnamese had the dream of going to China for the betterment of their future. Imagine, if normal Vietnamese had their relatives in China, who would heap praises of China. Do you really think Vietnam would be as negative as it is now?

3. Why leave out Vietnam? Vietnam is culturally more Chinese than it is SouthEast Asian.

Again, a poor country doesn't imply having less skilled people. In fact, many poor countries are full with very hardworking and innovative people, but often they can't find the right environment at home.

Also, even the low-skilled Vietnamese that come in, can still contribute to low-skilled labor pool, a lot of which is beyond any automation. And their descendants, who would be full-bred Chinese since birth, can take up the mantle of the high-skilled population.

Remember, it has been found that immigrants usually are more entrepreneuring than hosts.

4. There was a Sinosphere, and China would be wise to re-establish it.

 

[Indika]

Yup over-leveraged seigniorage of US dollar....and over-priced branding of US institutions.

True, other than resources/infrastructure and being a bit ahead of their asian universities the cost/performance ratio is very high. I some times wonder why ppl pay so much even for non-technical degrees. Some one who studies in asia can easily compete or get upto their standards in less time while spending less in their own countries.
One of the reasons is cost of living has hit the roof and unlike socialistic mindset of asian educational institutions running on thrifty budget, universities in US have become more or less corporate's.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

1. You are talking like typical westerner. Chinese people are known for their ability to work hard, and excel. If they are made to sit in a protected environment, without competition, they will soon loose out competitiveness. Any person who can loose out his/her job to a poor Vietnamese, was not worthy of that job anyways.

2. Again, what Japan did was because you were weak. But through out history, if you want to establish a sphere of influence you will have to create linkages with others.

3. Yeah, shortage of women.

4. Lol. Almost all Chinese here keep crying about their sphere of influence and how US should just leave this area. If you really want that to happen, you will have to form deep linkages, at political, cultural, social, economic levels with surrounding countries.

Korea/Vietnam/Japan have always been a part of Sinosphere. There is no reason why China should not open doors to them again.

Man, you're just too naïve to believe that Korea/Vietnam/Japan want to be part of Sino sphere, these countries are looking after their own interest unless if they find that is worth to be part of Sino Sphere, for now they're more interested in US and western sphere. Only Chinese people around the world are part of Sino sphere and form a Chinese network for trade. For me I believe there is more chance to get Thailand, Laos and Cambodia to be parts of Sinosphere than the other three despite that we're culturally different.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Man you're just too naïve to believe that Korea/Vietnam/Japan want to be part of Sino sphere, these countries are looking for their own interest unless if they find that is worth to be part of Sino Sphere, for now they're more interested into US and western sphere. Only Chinese people around the world are part of Sino sphere and form a Chinese network for trade. For me I believe there is more chance to get Thailand, Laos and Cambodia to be parts of Sinosphere than the other three despite that we're culturally different.

Again, its not about what these countries wanting.

You can make economic linkages, trade linkages, immigration linkages, which at a future date will make them more likely to join the Sinosphere, with their own will.

Consider the US and USSR.

Both these countries fought hard in Germany for influence, and their spheres. It was not necessarily Germany wanting to choose one, but ultimately US won significantly.

 

[shadows888]

Many things:

1. Immigrants would add to the labor pool
2. They would increase cultural ties with these neighbors, and increase China's soft power over them.
3. Migrants from Vietnam can satisfy both China's shortage of men, as well as shortage of labor
4. It can be step towards establishing the Sinosphere.

There's still a large working population in China, when the population gets older and labor is needed then I see some changes by National Development and Reform Commission. Of course, if the coming robotic revolution really changes things, then it may not be needed.

Man, you're just too naïve to believe that Korea/Vietnam/Japan want to be part of Sino sphere, these countries are looking for their own interest unless if they find that is worth to be part of Sino Sphere, for now they're more interested into US and western sphere. Only Chinese people around the world are part of Sino sphere and form a Chinese network for trade. For me I believe there is more chance to get Thailand, Laos and Cambodia to be parts of Sinosphere than the other three despite that we're culturally different.

American influence and military bases in Asia isn't going to last forever. I really only give it 30 more years.

Again, its not about what these countries wanting.

You can make economic linkages, trade linkages, immigration linkages, which at a future date will make them more likely to join the Sinosphere, with their own will.

Consider the US and USSR.

Both these countries fought hard in Germany for influence, and their spheres. It was not necessarily germany wanting to choose one, but ultimately US won significantly.

Winners write history as always.