S. Korea dismisses Trump's remark that Korea was "part of China"

[Callisto]

Trump may be referring to North Korea. NK have always relied on China for everything.
China might as well annex North Korea to put an end to Kim's dictatorship.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Vietnam wants independence. We want mutual respect and equality. Being vassal, paying tribute, bowing down to China run counter to the idea.

I don't understand what you mean .

In ancient world, there was not such concepts of independence or mutual respect and equality . Jungle Principle worked. Every strong monarch is willing to expand his land and glory，so is the ruler of Vietnam.
You should know there're lots of war between Vietnam and his neighbors in Indochina peninsula.

The king of Vietnam shouldn't understand mutual respect and equality with other small nations around.
For now, you even don't think Khmer should be equal to Vietnam.
As i know, some indochina countries made a tribute to China as well as to Vietnam.

Please do not use modern concepts to explain ancient phenomena.
It make no sense.

Vietnam accepts the fate because we have no choice. There is no discussion if someone puts a gun on your head. If considering the military imbalance, a lack of natural barriers between Vietnam and China, nobody should be of nobody's surprise.

No we don't want trade as gift. Do you think we want Chinese porcelain if we knee down?

It was not a trade and had nothing to do with Vietnamese.
It just belonged to your king ,for who ,it's quite worth bending down .

But there is limit. We want harmony. We want peace and stability with China. But not of all costs.

Vietnam do really want harmony and peace with China , cause China Empire was the only country which crashed Vietnam King's ambitions of conquering his neighbors.

It is like as if Chinese posters here and there regularly call Vietnamese as monkey and throw banana.

Every country has extreme nationalists , leave them alone.

Vietnam accepts if we are placed as second class behind Korea in the tribute system. If China resorts to humiliate her neighbor by placing Vietnam to the third class as same level as to the Khmer Vietnam will quit and prepare for a war. As happened one time in the Nguyen.

You know. The most important reason why China empire did not like Vietnam is Vietnam was much stronger than other China's tributaries in indochina ,to which China empire had the obligation to keep their reigns, that caused a series of contradictions between China empire and Vietnam Kingdom.
In the eyes of China emperor， Vietnam Kingdom was a trouble maker ,which alway tried to change the stability of indochina.
On the contrary, Korean King saw China empire was the parent country and the ruling class of Korea was very loyal to China empire.
That is why China empire treated Korea as the best son and fought against Japan several times to protect Korea, if you know some history about northeast Asia.
For the same reason, Qing Dynasty fought against France to protect Vietnam.

For Vietnam, China may be kind of an invader, in contrast , China is the savior for other indochina nations.

There is a red line China must not cross.

The tribute system collapsed in 19 century.
Now all nations conduct their diplomatic activities based on interest. China takes action based on his interest

Trump may be referring to North Korea. NK have always relied on China for everything.
China might as well annex North Korea to put an end to Kim's dictatorship.

Not North Korea.
Though China gave North Korea the resource to make it survive , Kim still do give a shit about China.
He and his father thought North Korea is protecting China from US as a shield, so they deserve much more.
North Korea used to ask for J-10 became very unsatisfied when turned down.

 

[Speeder 2]

In last 19th century, Vietnam asked Qing Dynasty for help when Franch tried to colonize the entire Vietnam .
Unforunately, Qing Dynasty got defeated and had to sign an agreement to admit France 's ownship of Vietnam.

It seems that the similar happened to Korea, which again proved China's ownership of Korea: after Qing Dynasty was defeated in a naval battle with Japan prior to WW1, Japan forced Qing Dynasty signed unequal treaty (i.e. had China's permission) to give up Taiwan and Korea. That's why Korea and Taiwan got colonised by Japan for 50 years around WW1 & WW2 peiord.

 

[Place Of Space]

I don't understand what you mean .

In ancient world, there was not such concepts of independence or mutual respect and equality . Jungle Principle worked. Every strong monarch is willing to expand his land and glory，so is the ruler of Vietnam.
You should know there're lots of war between Vietnam and his neighbors in Indochina peninsula.

The king of Vietnam shouldn't understand mutual respect and equality with other small nations around.
For now, you even don't think Khmer should be equal to Vietnam.
As i know, some indochina countries made a tribute to China as well as to Vietnam.

Please do not use modern concepts to explain ancient phenomena.
It make no sense.

It was not a trade and had nothing to do with Vietnamese.
It just belonged to your king ,for who ,it's quite worth bending down .


Vietnam do really want harmony and peace with China , cause China Empire was the only country which crashed Vietnam King's ambitions of conquering his neighbors.



Every country has extreme nationalists , leave them alone.

You know. The most important reason why China empire did not like Vietnam is Vietnam was much stronger than other China's tributaries in indochina ,to which China empire had the obligation to keep their reigns, that caused a series of contradictions between China empire and Vietnam Kingdom.
In the eyes of China emperor， Vietnam Kingdom was a trouble maker ,which alway tried to change the stability of indochina.
On the contrary, Korean King saw China empire was the parent country and the ruling class of Korea was very loyal to China empire.
That is why China empire treated Korea as the best son and fought against Japan several times to protect Korea, if you know some history about northeast Asia.
For the same reason, Qing Dynasty fought against France to protect Vietnam.

For Vietnam, China may be kind of an invader, in contrast , China is the savior for other indochina nations.


The tribute system collapsed in 19 century.
Now all nations conduct their diplomatic activities based on interest. China takes action based on his interest


Not North Korea.
Though China gave North Korea the resource to make it survive , Kim still do give a shit about China.
He and his father thought North Korea is protecting China from US as a shield, so they deserve much more.
North Korea used to ask for J-10 became very unsatisfied when turned down.

“......The most important reason why China empire did not like Vietnam is Vietnam was much stronger than other China's tributaries in indochina ...... Vietnam Kingdom was a trouble maker ,......Korean King saw China empire was the parent country and the ruling class of Korea was very loyal to China empire.
That is why China empire treated Korea as the best son and fought against Japan several times to protect Korea, if you know some history about northeast Asia.
For the same reason, Qing Dynasty fought against France to protect Vietnam.

For Vietnam, China may be kind of an invader, in contrast , China is the savior for other indochina nations.”

Your post is very sensitive, but not based on history. Geopolitics, in history and present, have no human emotions.
Korea has territory ambitions always. Korea did conspire with nomads in northeast Asia several times in order to invade China, fortunately, every a Chinese dynasty consider Korean peninsula as weak neck, so they consciously keep eyes on the direction, never gave Korean any chance to expand and ally with others. Japan siting its backyard often harassed Korea, which also impact Korea's diplomatic choices.

 

[Viet]

I don't understand what you mean .

In ancient world, there was not such concepts of independence or mutual respect and equality . Jungle Principle worked. Every strong monarch is willing to expand his land and glory，so is the ruler of Vietnam.
You should know there're lots of war between Vietnam and his neighbors in Indochina peninsula.

The king of Vietnam shouldn't understand mutual respect and equality with other small nations around.
For now, you even don't think Khmer should be equal to Vietnam.
As i know, some indochina countries made a tribute to China as well as to Vietnam.

Please do not use modern concepts to explain ancient phenomena.
It make no sense.

It was not a trade and had nothing to do with Vietnamese.
It just belonged to your king ,for who ,it's quite worth bending down .


Vietnam do really want harmony and peace with China , cause China Empire was the only country which crashed Vietnam King's ambitions of conquering his neighbors.



Every country has extreme nationalists , leave them alone.

You know. The most important reason why China empire did not like Vietnam is Vietnam was much stronger than other China's tributaries in indochina ,to which China empire had the obligation to keep their reigns, that caused a series of contradictions between China empire and Vietnam Kingdom.
In the eyes of China emperor， Vietnam Kingdom was a trouble maker ,which alway tried to change the stability of indochina.
On the contrary, Korean King saw China empire was the parent country and the ruling class of Korea was very loyal to China empire.
That is why China empire treated Korea as the best son and fought against Japan several times to protect Korea, if you know some history about northeast Asia.
For the same reason, Qing Dynasty fought against France to protect Vietnam.

For Vietnam, China may be kind of an invader, in contrast , China is the savior for other indochina nations.


The tribute system collapsed in 19 century.
Now all nations conduct their diplomatic activities based on interest. China takes action based on his interest

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we don´t like your concept of master and slave relationship. we don´t like your protection concept of your allies, either. yes, you turn blind eye if they attack Vietnam, but you get angry if we respond to aggression.

how deep is the South sea?

your hatred on Vietnam runs deeper.

Your post is very sensitive, but not based on history. Geopolitics, in history and present, have no human emotions.
Korea has territory ambitions always. Korea did conspire with nomads in northeast Asia several times in order to invade China, fortunately, every a Chiense dynasty consider Korean peninsula as weak neck, so they consciously keep eyes on the direction, never gave Korean any chance to expand and ally with others. Japan siting its backyard often harassed Korea, which also impact Korea's diplomatic choices.

correct. only delusional people believe the Koreans have no territorial design on China. the problem is the Koreans are military too weak. with China, Russia and Japan on their flanks, what can they do?

 

[Stuttgart001]

Your post is very sensitive, but not based on history. Geopolitics, in history and present, have no human emotions.
Korea has territory ambitions always. Korea did conspire with nomads in northeast Asia several times in order to invade China, fortunately, every a Chiense dynasty consider Korean peninsula as weak neck, so they consciously keep eyes on the direction, never gave Korean any chance to expand and ally with others. Japan siting its backyard often harassed Korea, which also impact Korea's diplomatic choices.

The korea i said is the Korean Kingdom founded by Yi Seong-gye in 1392， before that,it is more appropriate that the Korean penisula under the control of a Chinese northeast entity.

Since 1392 A.D. Korea Kingdom was influnced thoroughly by Ming Dynasty and turn into a small China in all aspects.
The full name of Korea Kingdom at that time was "the Korea Kingdom of Ming Dynasty" .which is recorded in Korean offcial document at that time.

Under the protection of Ming Dynasty, the defence strength of Korea Kingdom was so weak that was crashed by Japanese army of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and most of Korean penisula was occupied in 1492 A.D.
The emperor of Ming Dynasty sent his army and defeat Japanese army and restore the Kingdom.
The King of Korea Kingdom used to say "Ming Dynasty is the father country .Korea and Japan are sons. But Korea is a filial son, and Japan is an unfilial son ", which's recorded by Korean offcially.

Above is my history.
Now, talk about yours pls.

 

[samsara]

It seems that the similar happened to Korea, which again proved China's ownership of Korea: after Qing Dynasty was defeated in a naval battle with Japan prior to WW1, Japan forced Qing Dynasty signed unequal treaty (i.e. had China's permission) to give up Taiwan and Korea. That's why Korea and Taiwan got colonised by Japan for 50 years around WW1 & WW2 peiord.

The treaty is called SHIMONOSEKI TREATY, 1894, included in the surrendered territory by the Qing Dynasty was Diaoyu Island (the Japanese call it Senkaku Island). YES, some territorial issue is left unsettled until present days. One day China surely will settle all the legacy issues once and for all.

Time is on China's side, not Japan, not even the current hegemon USA.

 

[Stuttgart001]

we don´t like your concept of master and slave relationship.

I don't understand what do you mean. Who is slave ? What did the slave serve for his master ?

we don´t like your protection concept of your allies, either. yes, you turn blind eye if they attack Vietnam, but you get angry if we respond to aggression.

how deep is the South sea?

your hatred on Vietnam runs deeper.

Are we talking about the tribute system or modern geopolictics ?
Could you see the word "ancient" in my statement?

You are so sensitive that you even couldn't read my statement clearly.
Again, I have no hatred on Vietnam.

As for South China sea, there is a internation convention which is "Who find, who own".
Chinese begun to sail out to make a business with other nations since Song Dynasty.That's why so many Chinese living in southeast Asia who's the desendents of Chinese ancestors.

A lot of Vietnamese owns Chinese bloodline .
If you feel it's unfair, why don't you blame the ancestor of pure Vietnamese?

In 1945, ROC proposed a formal claim of the South China Sea and no one stood up against it until oil was found.

correct. only delusional people believe the Koreans have no territorial design on China. the problem is the Koreans are military too weak. with China, Russia and Japan on their flanks, what can they do?

I was talking about Korean Kingdom which was annexed by Japan Empire not South Republic of Korea .
Everybody pls make a statement before you read the reply clearly.

 

[Place Of Space]

Pls , talk about your his
The korea i said is the Korean Kingdom founded by Yi Seong-gye in 1392， before that,it is more appropriate that the Korean penisula under the control of a Chinese northeast entity.

Since 1392 A.D. Korea Kingdom was influnced thoroughly by Ming Dynasty and turn into a small China in all aspects.
The full name of Korea Kingdom at that time was "the Korea Kingdom of Ming Dynasty" .which is recorded in Korean offcial document at that time.

Under the protection of Ming Dynasty, the defence strength of Korea Kingdom was so weak that was crashed by Japanese army of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and most of Korean penisula was occupied in 1492 A.D.
The emperor of Ming Dynasty sent his army and defeat Japanese army and restore the Kingdom.
The King of Korea Kingdom used to say "Ming Dynasty is the father country .Korea and Japan are sons. But Korea is a filial son, and Japan is an unfilial son ", which's recorded by Korean offcially.

Above is my history.
Now, talk about yours pls.

Ming dyansty is very special when we refer to China-Korea relations. Ming paid too much cost for saving Korea.
I have say the stupid Japanese crashed onto Chinese wall, the next 300 years Japan is curing its wound. Japan locates on the brink of East Asia, it should explore and expand toword Hawaii, new continent...

 

[beijingwalker]

Ming dyansty is very special when we refer to China-Korea relations. Ming paid too much cost for saving Korea.
I have say the stupid Japanese crashed onto Chinese wall, the next 300 years Japan is curing its wound. Japan locates on the brink of East Asia, it should explore and expand toword Hawaii, new continent...

They did, and had their cities nuked and country occupied.

 

[Place Of Space]

They did, and had their cities nuked and country occupied.

I mean they should have done it in 15th century instead of invading Korea cross Korean strait. Japan made wrong direction, lol.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Ming dyansty is very special when we refer to China-Korea relations. Ming paid too much cost for saving Korea.

The relationship between Qing dyansty and Korea is substantially as the same as Ming Dynasty.
Korean Kingdom still ranked top in all tributaries of Qing Dynasty.

I have say the stupid Japanese crashed onto Chinese wall, the next 300 years Japan is curing its wound. Japan locates on the brink of East Asia, it should explore and expand toword Hawaii, new continent...

I could understand your hatred on Japan as a Chinese, but it is unreasonable to say that Japan took 300 years to cure the wound and perpared another invasion to Korea.
The war in Korean penisula during 1492 and 1497 was mostly started due to the personal ambition of Toyotomi Hideyoshi.
After his death, the new ruler of Japan - Tokugawa Ieyasu- locked the gate and lived their own life until US's fleet broke it .

 

[samsara]

For Ur opinion，The great india was once part of Britain empire, india belong to Britain then.
But,Mongolia is different from InnMongolia.In fact,the people of imperial lineage is come from InnMongolia,not Mongolia.

Right, even the influential grandmother of Kangxi Emperor 康熙帝 (the 4th ruler of the Qing Dynasty), i.e. Empress Dowager Xiaozhuang 孝庄太后, was a descendant of the royal Mongol Borjigin lineage, the clan of Genghis Khan. Her father, Jaisang (寨桑), was a beile of the Khorchin Mongols and a descendant of Qasar, a younger brother of Genghis Khan. She was born in the Khorchin, a subgroup of the Mongols that speak the Khorchin dialect of Mongolian and predominantly live in southeastern Inner Mongolia of China.

 

[Stuttgart001]

I mean they should have done it in 15th century instead of invading Korea cross Korean strait. Japan made wrong direction, lol.

That's a joke. In 1492, American continent hadn't been found by Colombo.
You much too overestimate the sailing skill of Japanese. Korea penisula was the farest place they could reach and east asia continent was the whole world they knew in 15th.
Japan is a island country,but Japanese is not a sailing ethnic.

 

[Godman]

The korea i said is the Korean Kingdom founded by Yi Seong-gye in 1392， before that,it is more appropriate that the Korean penisula under the control of a Chinese northeast entity.

What about Joseon and Jin?